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    Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:17 pm

    Effectively a much more expensive, shorter ranged, less accurate, better mobility through mud but much poorer mobility on roads equivalent of the Iskander.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:30 am

    Should add of course that an Iskander battery will receive a range of missiles that today can include 4,500km range cruise missiles as well as existing Iskander types and the under 500km range cruise missiles with the double warhead for targets that just need a bigger boom.

    In comparison the logistics for the rocket batteries are quite complex because of the numbers of different types of rockets they have available and need to supply for specific targets and specific roles.

    The advantage of pallets loaded with rockets and mounted on launchers is that you can preload the pallets with the rockets and munitions you want to use for an attack, but if a target of opportunity arises... ie a mass enemy armour attack, you can quickly put on the pallets with the sensor fused top attack sub-munitions and obliterate them.

    With the capacity of the rockets and their payloads and accuracy levels means a grad might not have 40 rockets of the same type... they might go for 30 rockets with HE and anti armour submunitions, and the remaining ten rockets with sensor fused submunitions on each vehicle so a battery of 6 vehicles could launch 60 rockets at an armoured formation at its rear staging area forming up for an attack, while the other 180 rockets could be directed at infantry or HQ or artillery support units to further blunt the attack...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:29 am

    In the Kaliningrad region "Smerch" MRLS were deployed

    In its turn, the Izvestia newspaper published material on this subject by Bogdan Stepovoy, Roman Kretsul and Anton Lavrov under the heading “To hit in one gulp: new reactive systems appeared in Kaliningrad. Artillerymen of the Baltic Fleet coastal forces received the Smerch MLRS division, which, in particular, states:

    The artillery brigade deployed in Kaliningrad includes the Smerch division of ultra-long-range multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). These guns can with particular accuracy hit the positions of medium-range missiles, as well as enemy defenses. Experts note that NATO's air defense has no way to intercept the "Smerch". Thus, the MLRS became a symmetrical response to the building up of the alliance's power in the Baltic states and Eastern Europe.

    The Smerch multiple launch rocket systems entered service with the 244th separate Neman Red Banner Order of the Suvorov and Kutuzov Artillery Brigade at the end of last year. Now soldiers and officers are mastering new equipment, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. These more powerful and long-range reactive systems replaced the MLRS BM-21 Grad.

    Firing range of up to 120 km and the power of "Smerch" ammunition will reliably cover the Kaliningrad region.

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    The artillery brigade, which received new equipment, is part of the 11th Army Corps of the Baltic Fleet coastal forces, created in 2016. Now it is being actively strengthened. Last year, 152-mm self-propelled artillery mounts (self-propelled guns) Msta-S entered service with the units. Replacing Grad with new MLRS will increase the brigade’s fire capabilities several times.
    For comparison: a firing of one Smerch combat vehicle strikes an area of ​​67 hectares at a range of 20 to 120 km. Grad covers an area of ​​4 hectares at a distance of up to 20 km, and with modernized missiles - up to 40 km.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun May 03, 2020 3:59 pm

    "By the end of the year, delivery of more than 30 modern multiple launch rocket systems has been planned to the missile and artillery units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation . As part of the state defense order, manufacturers will transfer to the Russian Ministry of Defense Tornado-G and Tornado-S MLRS," in the message.

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon May 04, 2020 8:32 pm

    In English. Photo Tornado-S

    The Russian Armed Forces will get more than 30 new Tornado family multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) in 2020, the Defense Ministry said on Sunday.

    “The delivery of more than thirty modern multiple launch rocket systems to units of rocket troops and artillery of the Russian Federation Armed Forces is planned by the end of this year. Tornado-G and Tornado-S MLRS will be handed over by manufacturing companies to the Russian Defense Ministry within the framework of performing the state defense order,” the Ministry said.

    The Russian 300-mm MLRS Tornado-S comprises an upgraded combat vehicle equipped with an automated fire control system, new rockets and corrected rockets with the separated high explosive element. The 122-mm MLRS Tornado-G is intended for firing against manpower, armored vehicles, artillery batteries and command posts.


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    Post  Hole on Tue May 05, 2020 1:06 pm

    The MRLS on the pic is an Uragan-1M. The Tornado-S looks like the Smerch.
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    Post  George1 on Tue May 05, 2020 2:57 pm

    Hole wrote:The MRLS on the pic is an Uragan-1M. The Tornado-S looks like the Smerch.

    100% Right.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Hole wrote:The MRLS on the pic is an Uragan-1M. The Tornado-S looks like the Smerch.

    100% Right.

    Just quoting the article. Got it wrong. Sad
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    Post  Hole on Tue May 05, 2020 8:14 pm

    Journalists. angry attack
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 06, 2020 2:24 am

    What I don't understand is that with the new pallet system... why do they need a separate Uragan-M and Smerch-M system?

    This new truck carrying the pallets with 6 missiles per pallet is carrying the 300mm rockets because Uragan-M should have more tubes of smaller calibre (220mm), so it is carrying the right rockets to be Smerch...

    Therefore I can understand the journalists getting it wrong... I don't understand it and I am interested in the subject...
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed May 06, 2020 2:59 am

    I think that the photo is the Smerch system with 2x6 pallets.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 06, 2020 9:22 am

    That is exactly what I was thinking, but if that truck can carry the 300mm rocket pallets then it should be able to carry the 220mm and 122mm pallets for the Uragan and Grad rockets too... so I can understand them having a small light Grad variant because it will be cheaper and smaller and lighter than this big expensive truck, but for most roles where there are decent roads and not too steep roads or sharp turns why would you need more than a small light truck and this one?

    I find it a little confusing.

    At first I thought this truck would replace Smerch and Uragan and that single pallet light truck would replace Grad in mobile units... but that single pallet light truck only carries one pallet so it would need two to match the old Grad...

    It is all very confusing... especially when you mix in original vehicles given an upgrade too...
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    Post  franco on Wed May 06, 2020 4:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:That is exactly what I was thinking, but if that truck can carry the 300mm rocket pallets then it should be able to carry the 220mm and 122mm pallets for the Uragan and Grad rockets too... so I can understand them having a small light Grad variant because it will be cheaper and smaller and lighter than this big expensive truck, but for most roles where there are decent roads and not too steep roads or sharp turns why would you need more than a small light truck and this one?

    I find it a little confusing.

    At first I thought this truck would replace Smerch and Uragan and that single pallet light truck would replace Grad in mobile units... but that single pallet light truck only carries one pallet so it would need two to match the old Grad...

    It is all very confusing... especially when you mix in original vehicles given an upgrade too...

    My understanding is that Tornado-G replaces the Grad system in brigade / division direct artillery support.
    The Tornado-S replaces the Smerch / Uragan in the 4 District Artillery Rocket brigades.
    The Uragan-M replaces the Uragan / Grad in the Armies / Corps Artillery brigades. This system can fire all 3 artillery rocket types as needed, in their support of the Army or Corps that they are attached to for support.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:29 pm

    Not sure where to put this.

    New Tos-2?

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:36 pm

    Interesting
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:07 am

    Nice.

    Obviously not as well protected as the previous model that used a tank chassis, but with a range of only 4-5km it had to operate near the front lines to fire its rockets.

    This one has double the range doens't it? 10-12km range so it can operate further back in less danger and of course the costs of buying and operating a wheeled vehicle are dramatically less than any track layer whether they are heavily armoured or not.

    Looks like together with the loader truck that this vehicle uses its own built in crane to reload the rockets presumably directly from a truck parked beside it with the crew of both trucks remaining inside their cabins perhaps?
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:23 am

    What else is the truck chassis used for? So commonality of parts etc? If successful might other MLRS use it?

    A lot easier and faster to move around as well with no need for a transporter over long distances.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:51 am

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    Other side.

    From the russian point of view it is not a MRLS but a flamethrower.

    The TOS-1A was designed to give fire support to infantry. Maybe the new system has new rockets with longer range = no need for massive armor.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:22 pm


    I like the fact that they are moving more stuff to armoured trucks, they did the same with new Pantsir

    Trucks cost money but humans (especially trained ones) cost more

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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:13 pm

    Same truck as the Phlox 120mm mortar system.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:41 am

    Well with it being a standard wheeled vehicle I would expect either a Typhoon or Boomerang type wheeled base with it being more Typhoon armoured truck rather than Boomerang BTR type basis.

    Either way they will be a fraction of the cost to operate...
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:40 pm

    A few pics, with a lot of love going to Said.

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    TOS-2
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    ISDM
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    Transloader
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:58 pm

    What is this one?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What is this one?

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    The launcher portion looks photoshopped.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:05 am

    Hole wrote:

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    ISDM Remote Mining Engineering System

    In the Victory Parade on Red Square in Moscow on June 24, 2020, among other things, the machines of the new ISDM remote engineering mining system designed for the engineering forces of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will be demonstrated for the first time. ISDM combat vehicle and transport-loading vehicles take part in the parade rehearsals.

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    The fighting vehicle of the ISDM remote-mining engineering system is moving to Moscow to participate in the Victory Parade on Red Square, 06/13/2020 (c) Said Aminov / saidpvo.livejournal.com


    The creation of an ISDM remote mining system for mining was carried out by JSC NPO Splav (Tula) under the OKR Agriculture-I under a state contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia No. N / 3/4 / 74-2014-DGOZ concluded on December 30, 2013, however, as can be judged, it was significantly delayed. Information materials on ISDM were presented for the first time at the Army-2016 international military-technical forum, however, samples of IDSM machines were “lit up” only now, and there is still no data on the system’s entry into mass production.

    According to well-known data, the ISDM combat vehicle is a 50-barrel multiple launch rocket system made on the KamAZ chassis (8x8) and firing with specially designed 122-mm rockets equipped with mines of various types, the preparation of data for firing is automated. Missiles are in transport-launch containers, for reloading the system includes a transport-loading machine also on the KamAZ chassis (8x8). Both types of vehicles are equipped with armored cabs.

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    The transport and loading vehicle of the ISDM remote mining engineering system moves to Moscow to participate in the Victory Parade on Red Square, 06/13/2020 (c) Said Aminov / saidpvo.livejournal.com


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