Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

George1 wrote:We must probably have new contracts for additional Su-35, Su-30, Su-34 this year

walle83 wrote:The year is coming to its end. How many aircrafts has been deliverd in 2019?

ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia is really slow making planes. China makes planes 10 times faster than Russia does. China built China's half of Amur bridge within months. Russia built Russia's half of Amur bridge in years.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia is really slow making planes. China makes planes 10 times faster than Russia does. China built China's half of Amur bridge within months. Russia built Russia's half of Amur bridge in years.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Ideally Russia should order more Su-35 and Su-34 and completely replace Su-27 and Su-24. China and the US are churning out J-20 and F-35 like hot cakes in an oven. Russia is getting left behind now that Su-57 crashed and no Su-57 until at least a few years from now.

in what Russia is getting left behind? they have still quite a bit of su27 (some of them SM2 and SM3 versions, with modernised radar and avionics) in service, plus at least a couple of hundreds in reserve (and that could be probably upgraded  and put to service in case of an hot war). Same things for the mig29.

Russia does not need to produce new fighters at the same rate that america is producing F35.

They just need to continue to gradually modernise their air force and never stop developing new products.

Anyway in the last 10 years they received about 200 new fighters (su35 and su30)and more than 120 su34 fighter bombers.

In addition the Russian air force has also mig31, that do not have an equivalent in the USAF.

They do not need to completely replace aircrafts that can still be effective in some roles. Su 24 are doing a very good job in Syria, as an example, and they still have some life on them. Maybe they could later phase them out and/or offer them at a discount to client nations, but at the moment there is not the need to completely replace them and or giving them for free to other nations.

Finally Russia (as any other country) has a finite amount of resources to be spent each year and there are a lot of competing projects, or uses for them. Not everything can be made at the same time.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia is really slow making planes. China makes planes 10 times faster than Russia does. China built China's half of Amur bridge within months. Russia built Russia's half of Amur bridge in years.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Ideally Russia should order more Su-35 and Su-34 and completely replace Su-27 and Su-24. China and the US are churning out J-20 and F-35 like hot cakes in an oven. Russia is getting left behind now that Su-57 crashed and no Su-57 until at least a few years from now.

in what Russia is getting left behind? they have still quite a bit of su27 (some of them SM2 and SM3 versions, with modernised radar and avionics) in service, plus at least a couple of hundreds in reserve (and that could be probably upgraded  and put to service in case of an hot war). Same things for the mig29.

Russia does not need to produce new fighters at the same rate that america is producing F35.

They just need to continue to gradually modernise their air force and never stop developing new products.

Anyway in the last 10 years they received about 200 new fighters (su35 and su30)and more than 120 su34 fighter bombers.

In addition the Russian air force has also mig31, that do not have an equivalent in the USAF.

They do not need to completely replace aircrafts that can still be effective in some roles. Su 24 are doing a very good job in Syria, as an example, and they still have some life on them. Maybe they could later phase them out and/or offer them at a discount to client nations, but at the moment there is not the need to completely replace them and or giving them for free to other nations.

Finally Russia (as any other country) has a finite amount of resources to be spent each year and there are a lot of competing projects, or uses for them. Not everything can be made at the same time.

Russia is generally very slow. It took Russia 10 years to build a single new frigate. China been pumping out more than 50 new frigates and destroyer in the same time frame.

here we were talking about the air forces, and Chinese new planes are not without problems.

China is pumping on the navy a lot, that is true. As far as the frigates,  however, they are decent, but nothing exceptional (admiral grigorovich frigates are a bit better than the chinese 054A, admiral Gorshkov are a generation apart). Concerning the destroyers (both 052D and 055, on paper they are quite good, but I do not know enough about the quality of the weapon system. Finally, it has been discussed to the death about the admiral Gorshkov frigate. There has been a lot of issues and mistakes, but the main problem was that they used it as a platform to put and test all their new modern naval systems, that were still in development when they laid down the ship and that were not tested before in unison.  Furthermore, at least Russia is honest on that and does not admit in service ships or airplanes that are not ready and cannot be used operationally.

However the Navy, while important, is the last priority for the russian military,  coming after the strategic defense, the army and the air force.

Isos wrote:2012 is the year when they really started puting money in their armed forces, 2014 being the best year.

Two MiG-35 fighters. In June 2019, the Russian Aerospace Forces were transferred two pre-production (actually experimental) MiG-35S fighters - a single MiG-35S (flight number is unclear) and a double MiG-35UB (flight number "11 blue"), built at the Lukhovitsky Aviation Plant (LAZ) named after P.A. Voronin - a branch of JSC "RSK" MiG ". Both of them were built according to a contract signed in February 2017 with the Russian Ministry of Defense for two samples of the MiG-35 fighter for their connection to the expanded program of state tests of this type. State tests with the participation of two prototypes of the MiG-35 built in 2016 were launched in May 2018 and to date, with the connection of two sides of the 2019 construction, have not yet been completed.

In August 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the United Aircraft Corporation JSC (UAC, which includes MiG RSK) for the supply of the first six serial MiG-35S and MiG-35UB fighters with a contract execution period from 2018 to 2023 years. It was reported that the first plane on it was supposed to be delivered at the end of 2019, but this did not happen.

Regarding export deliveries, we can say that, according to our information, in 2019 the Russian aviation industry delivered 18 new-built combat aircraft abroad, including ten MiG-29M / MiG-29M2 fighters to Egypt, four Su-30SM fighters to Belarus and four Su-30SM fighters to Armenia, as well as ten combat training aircraft Yak-130 - including six to Myanmar and four to Belarus.

In addition, six Su-30K (formerly Indian) fighter jets were delivered to Angola, and two MiG-29UB combat trainers were handed over to Mongolia. It is possible that the transfer of military aircraft from the availability for Syria was also carried out.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:they said they will buy more Su-35 and Su-30SM (after the upgrades).  We just have to wait till either end of this year or MAKS.

Putin ordered 76 su-57 while the expected number was lower to allow more su-35/30 and mass production will start this year. I doubt they will invest more in flanker family since they never expected 76 su-57 to be ordered at once.

And the fact they ordered 76 su57 isn't just a matter of number. It also means they think it is much better than su-30/35 and worth investing money.