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    Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:33 pm

    I believe the only people who know for sure are not telling Very Happy

    On the other hand senior officials said they were planning on doubling 2022's combat aircraft production totals in 2023 so...

    Another fact that I believe causes confusion is that some get focused on the original planned 2023 production (and contracts) that were prior to the start of the SVO. All of that went out the window russia Production rates increased and new (unannounced) contracts signed.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:23 pm

    You are not counting upgraded MiG-31 deliveries. I think I saw a mention of that last year.
    If you add up any aircraft brought out from storage you could easily get to the announced numbers.

    If you consider only new VK-2500 engines production at St. Petersburg you won't get the total picture for helicopters. For example in Donbass they repair the TV3-117 engine. They could be repairing older helicopters and putting them into service.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:23 am


    Algeria had refused to accept the SMTs because they found on the aircrafts equipment dated back to the early 1990s

    They had not be used, they were made and stored but no flown. The Algerians said they wanted brand new build aircraft, which is suspicious because the MiG-29SMT is an aircraft upgrade rather than a new model aircraft, but I suspect it was just the excuse used because Sukhoi offered to sell to them Su-30 aircraft for the same price.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:47 am

    Then it is good.

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:18 am

    Isos wrote:Then it is good.

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30

    The problems there is that sukhoi and MiG competed against each other for a foreign contract and that was not filtered by Russia.

    Now they are both parts of UAC.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:15 am

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30

    What are you talking about?

    Sukhoi used its financial strength of sales of Flankers to approach Algeria and say... hey... you just signed an agreement with MiG to buy some MiG-29SMTs. If you cancel that and buy some Su-30Ms instead we will match the price you are paying for the MiGs.

    The whole point of the UAC or OAK company was because ruthless Russian companies would stab each other in the back to get contracts from each other... and often end up making Russian stuff just look bad in the process to get sales.

    The MiG-29SMT would have been a more capable aircraft than the Su-30s they ended up buying and would probably have been significantly cheaper over the lifespan of the aircraft in terms of support costs.

    Now they are both parts of UAC.

    And Sukhoi still tries to screw MiG with Su-75...

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