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    Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:33 pm

    I believe the only people who know for sure are not telling Very Happy

    On the other hand senior officials said they were planning on doubling 2022's combat aircraft production totals in 2023 so...

    Another fact that I believe causes confusion is that some get focused on the original planned 2023 production (and contracts) that were prior to the start of the SVO. All of that went out the window russia Production rates increased and new (unannounced) contracts signed.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:23 pm

    You are not counting upgraded MiG-31 deliveries. I think I saw a mention of that last year.
    If you add up any aircraft brought out from storage you could easily get to the announced numbers.

    If you consider only new VK-2500 engines production at St. Petersburg you won't get the total picture for helicopters. For example in Donbass they repair the TV3-117 engine. They could be repairing older helicopters and putting them into service.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:23 am


    Algeria had refused to accept the SMTs because they found on the aircrafts equipment dated back to the early 1990s

    They had not be used, they were made and stored but no flown. The Algerians said they wanted brand new build aircraft, which is suspicious because the MiG-29SMT is an aircraft upgrade rather than a new model aircraft, but I suspect it was just the excuse used because Sukhoi offered to sell to them Su-30 aircraft for the same price.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:47 am

    Then it is good.

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:18 am

    Isos wrote:Then it is good.

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30

    The problems there is that sukhoi and MiG competed against each other for a foreign contract and that was not filtered by Russia.

    Now they are both parts of UAC.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:15 am

    That will teach them a lesson to sell a mig 29 the same price as a su-30

    What are you talking about?

    Sukhoi used its financial strength of sales of Flankers to approach Algeria and say... hey... you just signed an agreement with MiG to buy some MiG-29SMTs. If you cancel that and buy some Su-30Ms instead we will match the price you are paying for the MiGs.

    The whole point of the UAC or OAK company was because ruthless Russian companies would stab each other in the back to get contracts from each other... and often end up making Russian stuff just look bad in the process to get sales.

    The MiG-29SMT would have been a more capable aircraft than the Su-30s they ended up buying and would probably have been significantly cheaper over the lifespan of the aircraft in terms of support costs.

    Now they are both parts of UAC.

    And Sukhoi still tries to screw MiG with Su-75...

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    Post  Ned86 Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:03 pm

    Interesting article about Su-57 production in 2022, 2023 and plan for 2024.

    In short:

    Su-57 production plan for 2024 is 20+ airframes and it will be the most produced warplane for VKS.
    second one in the list will be Su-34M with little bit less than 20 new airframes.

    So Su-57 number produced is something like:
    • 2024 - 20+ airframes
    • 2023 - 12 airframes
    • 2022 - 6 airframes


    About plans for Su-35 and Su-30SM2 they don't say anything.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:11 pm

    Ned86 wrote:About plans for Su-35 and Su-30SM2 they don't say anything.
    The Su-30SM2 has only a limited number of orders. I think they mean to replace some old aircraft in Russian Naval Aviation with it and that's about it. There is also the Su-30 order for Kazakhstan.

    Su-35 production should decrease since it is produced in the same facilities as the Su-57.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:...
    And Sukhoi still tries to screw MiG with Su-75...

    MiG deserves to be screwed

    For decades they ain't delivered shit


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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:40 am

    For decades they have had no orders, but the orders they have had they have delivered.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:45 am


    They had no orders because they had no products worth paying for




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    Post  sepheronx Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They had no orders because they had no products worth paying for

    I would wager if Russia did invest in the MiG-35, they would have more jets with AESA radar in active service. I think the MiG-35 would have been a very effective fighter competing against the Su-30SM/2 and Su-35 but overall I think it lost out due to the fact Su-30SM was already a flying jet more or less and same with Su-35 being further along at the time.

    Now? Doesn't make much sense.
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    Post  marcellogo Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:26 am

    I ha ve heard a new about the deliver of a new batch of Su-35S but was unab le to check it, Any confirmation? Or they have tightened secrecy even more, so that now si forbidden even to mention it?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:27 am

    I think the MiG-35 would have been a very effective fighter competing against the Su-30SM/2 and Su-35 but overall I think it lost out due to the fact Su-30SM was already a flying jet more or less and same with Su-35 being further along at the time.

    MiG-35s wouldn't replace Su-30s or Su-35s, their roles are different.

    Su-30 is a two seat Su-35 and both are air superiority fighters... like an F-15 or F-22.

    The MiG-35 is the numbers aircraft and is more like an F-16 which will be carrying air to ground weapons as much as it will be shooting down enemy aircraft.

    The flankers are essentially PVO air control types and longer range interceptors that would use AB because they have the fuel capacity to use it enough to get places quickly.

    The MiG-35 is more of a MiG-21/MiG-27/Su-17 type that would operate over or near the front line and hit ground targets with standoff missiles and glide bombs and would probably shoot down drones too.

    Loitering near the front line or perhaps 10-20km back it could still use high resolution radar to monitor the front line and detect enemy positions and forces as well as enemy drones... being airborne of course it has a much easier task of detecting low flying ground hugging drones... even if all you are doing is warning ground forces of their approach. (a fighter wont carry enough AAMs to deal with all the targets it will detect.)

    The MiG-35 is going to be the beneficiary of the new technology MiG is developing for its light 5th gen fighters and its lower operating costs will allow the Russian military to restore Frontal Aviation to a degree that works with the Russian Army to deal with enemy ground forces and enemy aircraft near the line of contact.

    Its lower operating costs and smaller size will enable it to operate near the front lines from motorways in rather greater numbers than can be achieved with the Flanker families.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:17 pm

    Confirmed, in 2023, VKS received 12 Su-57

    "В прошлом году было создано 12 таких машин, в текущем запланировано увеличить выпуск вдвое"

    Last year, 12 such machines were created, and the current it is planned to double the output

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