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Poseidon carrier Submarines
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https://thebarentsobserver.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/belgorod.jpeg
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State tests of the special purpose submarine "Belgorod" will be completed in 2022
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13299517
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13299517
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BELGOROD
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There are no available data about 09851 Khabarovsk class submarine dimensions ; length, width, total displacement, crew, etc, but judging by this completely unreliable picture this could submarine below 150 meters in length.
The mystery surrounding this Khabarovsk submarine is enormous or like in "good old" Soviet times.
The mystery surrounding this Khabarovsk submarine is enormous or like in "good old" Soviet times.
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"Sevmash" reported on the construction of the submarine "Belgorod"
Podlodka77 Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:43 pm
"Sevmash" reported on the construction of the submarine "Belgorod"
The head of "Sevmash" Budnichenko: the construction of the special purpose submarine "Belgorod" is being completed
MOSCOW, January 20 - RIA Novosti. The construction of the Belgorod special-purpose nuclear submarine (NPS) is at the final stage, Mikhail Budnichenko, general director of the Sevmash plant (Severodvinsk), said.
Earlier, a RIA Novosti source in the military-industrial complex said that tests of the Belgorod nuclear submarine, the carrier of the Poseidon marine drones, were to be completed at Sevmash last fall.
The Belgorod multi-purpose nuclear submarine is an experimental development for Poseidon drones, launched in April 2019 at Sevmash. The boat originally belonged to project 949A "Antey" (similar to "Kursk"), which was redesigned into project 09852 specifically for the Poseidon system
Nuclear submarine "Khabarovsk" - regular carrier "Poseidons". All characteristics of this submarine are classified.
The development of Poseidon was first announced by President Vladimir Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly in 2018. According to him, such drones can be equipped with both conventional and nuclear weapons, which will allow them to hit a wide range of targets, including aircraft carrier groups, coastal fortifications and infrastructure.
https://ria.ru/20220120/podlodka-1768657074.html
The head of "Sevmash" Budnichenko: the construction of the special purpose submarine "Belgorod" is being completed
MOSCOW, January 20 - RIA Novosti. The construction of the Belgorod special-purpose nuclear submarine (NPS) is at the final stage, Mikhail Budnichenko, general director of the Sevmash plant (Severodvinsk), said.
Earlier, a RIA Novosti source in the military-industrial complex said that tests of the Belgorod nuclear submarine, the carrier of the Poseidon marine drones, were to be completed at Sevmash last fall.
The Belgorod multi-purpose nuclear submarine is an experimental development for Poseidon drones, launched in April 2019 at Sevmash. The boat originally belonged to project 949A "Antey" (similar to "Kursk"), which was redesigned into project 09852 specifically for the Poseidon system
Nuclear submarine "Khabarovsk" - regular carrier "Poseidons". All characteristics of this submarine are classified.
The development of Poseidon was first announced by President Vladimir Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly in 2018. According to him, such drones can be equipped with both conventional and nuclear weapons, which will allow them to hit a wide range of targets, including aircraft carrier groups, coastal fortifications and infrastructure.
https://ria.ru/20220120/podlodka-1768657074.html
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Has anyone considered the idea that Belgorod is designed to launch and recover Poseidon drones? The docking arrangement for connection of specialist deepwater subs like Losharik could conceivably include a moon-pool arrangement that could be used to recover the drones and stack them on racks internally?
If this was the case, it would resolve why so many people think that the Belgorod design doesn't make sense - why equip a deep-sea sub tender with doomsday nukes? If the above is the case, she is a dedicated UUV tender that can double as a mothership for manned spy subs.
It would also add weight to the idea that Posiedons aren't launched on Doomsday, but on routine patrols, maybe lasting months, and then recovered and returned to shore for inspection, refurbishment, repair, refulled if needed, and maybe download of detailed logfiles and data store.
A lot of conjecture here... but if it turns out to be true, and if it works reliably, it would be a truly massive paradigm change for Sea Power capabilities. Eg a conventional armed version could track USN carriers and be available 24/7 for a kill on short notice...
If this was the case, it would resolve why so many people think that the Belgorod design doesn't make sense - why equip a deep-sea sub tender with doomsday nukes? If the above is the case, she is a dedicated UUV tender that can double as a mothership for manned spy subs.
It would also add weight to the idea that Posiedons aren't launched on Doomsday, but on routine patrols, maybe lasting months, and then recovered and returned to shore for inspection, refurbishment, repair, refulled if needed, and maybe download of detailed logfiles and data store.
A lot of conjecture here... but if it turns out to be true, and if it works reliably, it would be a truly massive paradigm change for Sea Power capabilities. Eg a conventional armed version could track USN carriers and be available 24/7 for a kill on short notice...
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Big_Gazza wrote:Has anyone considered the idea that Belgorod is designed to launch and recover Poseidon drones? The docking arrangement for connection of specialist deepwater subs like Losharik could conceivably include a moon-pool arrangement that could be used to recover the drones and stack them on racks internally?
If this was the case, it would resolve why so many people think that the Belgorod design doesn't make sense - why equip a deep-sea sub tender with doomsday nukes? If the above is the case, she is a dedicated UUV tender that can double as a mothership for manned spy subs.
It would also add weight to the idea that Posiedons aren't launched on Doomsday, but on routine patrols, maybe lasting months, and then recovered and returned to shore for inspection, refurbishment, repair, refulled if needed, and maybe download of detailed logfiles and data store.
A lot of conjecture here... but if it turns out to be true, and if it works reliably, it would be a truly massive paradigm change for Sea Power capabilities. Eg a conventional armed version could track USN carriers and be available 24/7 for a kill on short notice...
Good observation, such role for Poseidon has been indeed hinted, but their use as a conventional weapon that can be launched and recovered and used for sea control on a continuous way has been eclipsed by its possibilities as strategic one. We were discussing in other thread about the need to create unmanned subs to compensate the advantage in USN sub numbers, which are the most difficult to counter for Russia currently, and Poseidon would be ideal in that role indeed. It would be very difficult for a bigger sub to avoid being tracked by way smaller, silent and numerous ones, with essentially unlimited endurance and besides capable to operate at extreme depths or wait in the bottom for weeks for "prey" to pass by... I would not be surprised if such an operational concept is unveiled in the next few years, as I am sure the kind of capabilities tested in Vityaz where not purely civilian. It could even threaten the submarine part of the US (and British and French) nuclear forces and that would be extremely concerning for them, in particular for those two later countries it would essentially mean removing them from the club of nuclear powers altogether...
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There is of course no reason why, if this is the case, that a Poseidon tender needs to be a submersible. I'm thinking that for Russian & Arctic waters at least, the tender could be a specialist surface ship with an underwater moon pool and deployable manipulators to assist launch and recovery. Enemy survelliance could track her as she patrols but they won't know for certain when and where she performs launch and recovery. Not as stealthy as a sub tender, but vastly cheaper to build and operate.
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Big_Gazza wrote:There is of course no reason why, if this is the case, that a Poseidon tender needs to be a submersible. I'm thinking that for Russian & Arctic waters at least, the tender could be a specialist surface ship with an underwater moon pool and deployable manipulators to assist launch and recovery. Enemy survelliance could track her as she patrols but they won't know for certain when and where she performs launch and recovery. Not as stealthy as a sub tender, but vastly cheaper to build and operate.
Why wouldn't Russia develop a submersible with dual use? As you said, a surface ship carrying poseidons can be tracked and would be a priority target in the event of a major conflict, while a submarine by its very nature is hard to track, especially one that can submerge to 600m. Russia would have a significant strategic advantage over НА́ТО if Belgorod can launch and recover UUV's.
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The launch is not an IF. It´s a sure thing. But most of the time the Poseidon is called a "super-torpedo" which means launch, travel, impact. Bumm. In the case of Poseidon the travel phase could be weeks or even month. If the sub can also recover the UUV then it could be used for deterrence or even recon missions just like a sub.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Has anyone considered the idea that Belgorod is designed to launch and recover Poseidon drones?...
It's not recovering anything, least of all nuclear WMD
Poseidons are carried on Belgorod because that sub has surplus real estate in the front which would otherwise go completely unused in solely spy role so they decided to put it to use
And if they wanted to develop nuclear sub drone they would develop proper one instead of basing one on such constrained platform
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Leads to the issue of the west frantically trying to keep tabs on this sub which makes it priority number one, which would limit its ability to do other things.
In contrast having a drone version of Poseidon with no nuke warhead might be useful in general peace time rather than tying the subs and weapons up like ICBMs are really only useful for one thing... well satellite launcher when they approach expiry date.
A tricky thing.
In contrast having a drone version of Poseidon with no nuke warhead might be useful in general peace time rather than tying the subs and weapons up like ICBMs are really only useful for one thing... well satellite launcher when they approach expiry date.
A tricky thing.
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Fresh video (but event is from summer-time) of Belgorod:
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Are there some openings/doors under the tower?
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It makes sense to put doors at deck level for access because otherwise climbing up to the top of the sail and then back down the same height to get to the inner hull inside the submarine would require an external ladder and lots of climbing.
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Hole wrote:
Are there some openings/doors under the tower?
Did you notice under the conning tower 4 "covers" in the hull itself ?
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Bingo. That´s why I wrote "under the tower". 
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The K-329 Belgorod submarine will be handed over to the Russian Navy this summer, most likely on the day of the Russian Navy - July 31.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13525603
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13525603
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