LMFS Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:29 am
GarryB wrote:You mean like a Zircon carrier like Yasen? Zircon is primarily a replacement for Onyx/Yakhont and is a ship and sub launched missile... at 500km the AWACS might notice the missile being launched and climbing, but I doubt it.
Exactly. Tsirkon has a range between 1000 km (supposedly sea targets) and 1500 km (land targets), that is more than enough for a sub to get in range of a CBG, fire a whole salvo and flee with impunity. At such ranges the AWACS may see the missiles coming (plasma sheath has some effects in that regard), but be useless to stop them, and the ASW grouping cannot operate effectively at such distances or over such areas, that is more than 3 million square km to search for an almost invisible, moving target... the only real problem Russia has still is that USN has a lot of SSNs they can dedicate to permanently track their own Tsirkon carriers, and that is one of the issues Poseidon may allow to handle in a radically different way. Of course PLAN numbers help here, but that is IMO also the reason why so many modernised SS(G)Ns are coming back to service between 2022 and 2024, not only 949AM able to carry Tsirkon themselves but also 971 that may be destined to provide cover. It is still too early to know if they can carry Tsirkon too, or some version of it, they have 650 mm torpedo tubes capable for the Kalibr-PL. Still good enough as USN sub hunters in any case.
Martyanov wrote about the Poseidon yesterday BTW, he notices the choir of wailing Western voices calling for prohibition of such weapons altogether... **** off losers, you made your bed now sleep in it