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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 31, 2020 4:20 pm

    Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin. I know you state it's saving face but what exactly do you know? Are you FSB? Do you work for FSB? Building new design engines isn't beyond Russia since they already done it twice for Corvettes and now frigates. So building something to replace those of Rubin would make sense since Russia wasn't afraid to admit they couldn't build more due to engines and have to design new ones as replacement. So why would they now be afraid.

    You are basing everything on assumptions and conjecture. I think this is why no one takes you seriously.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 31, 2020 4:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin....

    They were buying them like crazy for 15 years which means they didn't just liked them, they loved them

    This "I didn't like them" shtick doesn't fly anymore, if they had any objections whatsoever they had a whole decade to voice it

    They never did, what they did though was to sign praises to them

    Some basic dignity, please


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 31, 2020 4:37 pm

    Things change. Maybe initially they liked them. Maybe hey didn't but previous management did?

    Who knows and I know for a fact you do not. Like I said, they had no problem admitting that they don't have engines to replace them and that they would end up working on new engines to replace them. These ships are also much smaller than a corvette or a frigate and they managed to design and build gearboxes and engines for those ships so something smaller? How laughable.

    Anyway, let's see what they do end up doing. They seem to change their minds very often and plans change often.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 am

    They were buying them like crazy for 15 years which means they didn't just liked them, they loved them

    But does it?

    They might have thought they were wonderful because they hadn't tried anything else and didn't realise they could get better...

    These old boats might have been fine 15 years ago but now they need drones and space for drones and facilities for handling drones just as an example...

    Anyway, let's see what they do end up doing. They seem to change their minds very often and plans change often.

    For all we know management might have changed or requirements might have changed... as you say they don't need to be covering up some big conspiracy or anything...

    They might have had an offer of a new design that they think will be much better so they can't say what they have is perfect because that will sabotage funding for the new vessel...

    Who knows that could tell us?

    No one.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:38 pm

    Frontier patrol ship Taimyr put into operation

    Reportedly, on July 10, 2020, in St. Petersburg, the Almaz Shipbuilding Company JSC held a ceremony of raising the Flag of border ships, boats and support vessels on the 2nd rank Taimyr border patrol ship of project 22120 (code "Purga") with serial number 054, which became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. It became the fifth, and, apparently, the last in the series ship of Project 22120.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4086120.html
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:05 pm



    First Project 23550 patrol icebreaker for Coast Guard laid down in Vyborg shipyard (name: Purga)

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/30865.html

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:08 am

    Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

    I suspect the troop capacity would be the main difference but in terms of lifting and carrying cargo they would both be very similar.

    The Hip is not as tall as a Helix because of the conventional rotor but has a much bigger rotor disk and the aircraft itself is rather longer than any model Helix... They could make the rotors fold, but making the tail fold as well will require a bit more work...

    Rather odd....
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

    I suspect the troop capacity would be the main difference but in terms of lifting and carrying cargo they would both be very similar.

    The Hip is not as tall as a Helix because of the conventional rotor but has a much bigger rotor disk and the aircraft itself is rather longer than any model Helix... They could make the rotors fold, but making the tail fold as well will require a bit more work...

    Rather odd....

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

    Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

    Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different


    So there are some differences with navy's version
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.
    the Mi-17s can land, but won't be based on them:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23550_patrol_ship
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:34 am

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    I saw that but if the tail structure of the Mi-8/17 doesn't fold then it will have to be an exceptionally deep hangar... that is why I wondered about that...

    The Ka-27 and Ka-226 are much shorter and much more compact designs... though taller... I thought the hangars might be for teh Ka-27 and eventually the Minoga replacement, and the smaller hangar could carry the modular Ka-226 or perhaps a drone...

    The armament is interesting too with four machine gun mounts.... I would expect them to use the Kord HMG as standard, and two 30mm gatling gun mounts... as well as the deck gun...
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:38 pm

    from : https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4098267.html

    "A characteristic feature of the PSKR will be the presence of two helicopter hangars - a large (for a Ka-27 class helicopter) and a small (for a Ka-226 or UAV class helicopter); the helipad allows receiving Mi-8 helicopters."

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:06 am

    Can I claim to be extra smart for guessing that or stupid for not reading it myself and finding out without having to guess.

    I would assume the smaller hangar could be used for drones as well while they wait for the Ka-226, but the modular Ka-226s look like a rather clever system being able to fit the helicopter out in a few minutes ready for totally different missions...

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