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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 31, 2020 4:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:But the 10410 has all parts made in Russia. A modernization to shape of vessel isn't a daunting task and if it works with the current designed engines than it's good
    Plus work on it has existed for quite a while so building more of them won't be really all that expensive.

    Compared to Svetlak-class Rubin-class has double the size, double range, triple endurance, requires third fewer crew and has helicopter pad and hangar

    Svetlak-class is also 30 years old platform, even with upgrades it's just auxiliary boat now

    Nothing about Svetlak justifies trying to use it as replacement for Rubin, it can only be used for low priority very short range missions

    Rubin needs proper replacement, talk about Svetlak is just FSB trying to not come off looking like morons same as Navy did with Gremashis (they both failed pathetically in those attempts)

    Toyota can't replace BTR, Svetlak can't replace Rubin

    They need to spend less time on saving face and more on doing their jobs (also, Bykov-class is made locally as well)



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    Post  miketheterrible Sun May 31, 2020 4:20 pm

    Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin. I know you state it's saving face but what exactly do you know? Are you FSB? Do you work for FSB? Building new design engines isn't beyond Russia since they already done it twice for Corvettes and now frigates. So building something to replace those of Rubin would make sense since Russia wasn't afraid to admit they couldn't build more due to engines and have to design new ones as replacement. So why would they now be afraid.

    You are basing everything on assumptions and conjecture. I think this is why no one takes you seriously.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 31, 2020 4:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin....

    They were buying them like crazy for 15 years which means they didn't just liked them, they loved them

    This "I didn't like them" shtick doesn't fly anymore, if they had any objections whatsoever they had a whole decade to voice it

    They never did, what they did though was to sign praises to them

    Some basic dignity, please


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    Post  miketheterrible Sun May 31, 2020 4:37 pm

    Things change. Maybe initially they liked them. Maybe hey didn't but previous management did?

    Who knows and I know for a fact you do not. Like I said, they had no problem admitting that they don't have engines to replace them and that they would end up working on new engines to replace them. These ships are also much smaller than a corvette or a frigate and they managed to design and build gearboxes and engines for those ships so something smaller? How laughable.

    Anyway, let's see what they do end up doing. They seem to change their minds very often and plans change often.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 am

    They were buying them like crazy for 15 years which means they didn't just liked them, they loved them

    But does it?

    They might have thought they were wonderful because they hadn't tried anything else and didn't realise they could get better...

    These old boats might have been fine 15 years ago but now they need drones and space for drones and facilities for handling drones just as an example...

    Anyway, let's see what they do end up doing. They seem to change their minds very often and plans change often.

    For all we know management might have changed or requirements might have changed... as you say they don't need to be covering up some big conspiracy or anything...

    They might have had an offer of a new design that they think will be much better so they can't say what they have is perfect because that will sabotage funding for the new vessel...

    Who knows that could tell us?

    No one.
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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:38 pm

    Frontier patrol ship Taimyr put into operation

    Reportedly, on July 10, 2020, in St. Petersburg, the Almaz Shipbuilding Company JSC held a ceremony of raising the Flag of border ships, boats and support vessels on the 2nd rank Taimyr border patrol ship of project 22120 (code "Purga") with serial number 054, which became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. It became the fifth, and, apparently, the last in the series ship of Project 22120.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4086120.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:05 pm



    First Project 23550 patrol icebreaker for Coast Guard laid down in Vyborg shipyard (name: Purga)

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/30865.html

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:08 am

    Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

    I suspect the troop capacity would be the main difference but in terms of lifting and carrying cargo they would both be very similar.

    The Hip is not as tall as a Helix because of the conventional rotor but has a much bigger rotor disk and the aircraft itself is rather longer than any model Helix... They could make the rotors fold, but making the tail fold as well will require a bit more work...

    Rather odd....
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

    I suspect the troop capacity would be the main difference but in terms of lifting and carrying cargo they would both be very similar.

    The Hip is not as tall as a Helix because of the conventional rotor but has a much bigger rotor disk and the aircraft itself is rather longer than any model Helix... They could make the rotors fold, but making the tail fold as well will require a bit more work...

    Rather odd....

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

    Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different

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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

    Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different


    So there are some differences with navy's version
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.
    the Mi-17s can land, but won't be based on them:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23550_patrol_ship
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:34 am

    If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

    I saw that but if the tail structure of the Mi-8/17 doesn't fold then it will have to be an exceptionally deep hangar... that is why I wondered about that...

    The Ka-27 and Ka-226 are much shorter and much more compact designs... though taller... I thought the hangars might be for teh Ka-27 and eventually the Minoga replacement, and the smaller hangar could carry the modular Ka-226 or perhaps a drone...

    The armament is interesting too with four machine gun mounts.... I would expect them to use the Kord HMG as standard, and two 30mm gatling gun mounts... as well as the deck gun...
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    Post  TheArmenian Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:38 pm

    from : https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4098267.html

    "A characteristic feature of the PSKR will be the presence of two helicopter hangars - a large (for a Ka-27 class helicopter) and a small (for a Ka-226 or UAV class helicopter); the helipad allows receiving Mi-8 helicopters."

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:06 am

    Can I claim to be extra smart for guessing that or stupid for not reading it myself and finding out without having to guess.

    I would assume the smaller hangar could be used for drones as well while they wait for the Ka-226, but the modular Ka-226s look like a rather clever system being able to fit the helicopter out in a few minutes ready for totally different missions...
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:44 pm


    Took them long enough... Suspect

    Upgraded Svetlak-class patrol vessel Balaklava has been accepted into service

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/136577/

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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:32 pm

    The border patrol ship "Balaklava" was commissioned

    On October 14, 2020, a flag-raising ceremony was held in Kerch on the new Project 10410 Balaklava border patrol ship (code Svetlyak) with serial number 809, which became part of the Russian FSB Border Directorate for the Republic of Crimea. The frontier patrol ship Balaklava (serial number 809) of project 10410 (code Svetlyak) built for the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia, built at PJSC Yaroslavl Shipyard at the final stage of testing off the coast of Crimea, 09/17/2020 (c) Erne / forums.airbase.ru

    As already reported, earlier the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia decided to resume the construction of border patrol ships (PSKR) of project 10410 (code "Svetlyak", developed by JSC "Central Marine Design Bureau" Almaz "), having issued orders in 2016 for the construction of four units - one for PJSC "Shipbuilding company" Almaz "in St. Petersburg ( PSKR-933" Kerch " , factory 313), one - at PJSC" Yaroslavl Shipyard "in Yaroslavl ( " Balaklava "with serial number 809), and two - at JSC" Vostochnaya Verf "in Vladivostok (serial numbers 414 and 415).

    However, only PSKR-933 Kerch , built at the Almaz SF , was commissionedrelatively quickly - on October 26, 2018, later joining the Border Directorate of the FSB of Russia in the Republic of Crimea. In Yaroslav, PSKR "Balaklava" was laid down on June 15, 2017 and launched on July 17, 2018, and then towed for completion and testing at the Sevastopol Persei shipyard, but in the end the ship was commissioned only now. Both Vladivostok PSKRs, the contractual deadline for which was 2019, are still at the completion stage. Further prospects for the construction of a series of project 10410 are still unclear.

    Earlier, from 1988 to 2015, a total of 33 PSKR projects 10410 and 10410B were built at these three shipyards for the Border Guard Troops / Border Service, and seven projects 10412 for foreign customers (six for Vietnam and one for Slovenia).

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4168335.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:13 pm


    News report from patrol ship Balaklava

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    Post  George1 Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:22 pm

    Two more border patrol ships of project 03050 were laid down in Yaroslavl

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4174100.html
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    Post  PhSt Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:55 pm

    FSB thwarts illegal border crossing attempt by three armed perpetrators from Ukraine

    MOSCOW, December 4. /TASS/. Russian border guards have foiled an illegal border crossing attempt by three armed perpetrators from Ukraine. As the Public Relations Center of the Federal Security Service (FSB) told TASS, after exchanging fire one of them was killed, two others fled.

    "The incident occurred at the section of the border under the FSB Directorate for the Belgorod and Voronezh Regions on December 4. A border guard detachment thwarted the border violation attempt from Ukraine into the Russian Federation by three armed unidentified individuals. During an attempt to detain them, the perpetrators responded with armed resistance," the Public Relations Center reported.

    As a result of a retaliatory fire, one of them was fatally injured, the two others fled to the territory of Ukraine.

    The investigation is underway. The FSB has not reported yet other details of the incident.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:12 pm

    Probably smugglers who got caught.

    Always happening apparently.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:08 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Probably smugglers who got caught.

    Always happening apparently.

    And handled with gunfire as it should be

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:50 am

    Rather suspicious they were armed and rather than just run away wanted to shoot it out till one of their number got killed...

    Smugglers tend to want to avoid authorities rather than have shoot outs with them.

    Sounds a little suspicious to me...
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Rather suspicious they were armed and rather than just run away wanted to shoot it out till one of their number got killed...

    Smugglers tend to want to avoid authorities rather than have shoot outs with them.

    Sounds a little suspicious to me...

    Ukr nazionalist units were trained to infiltrate the USSR at the end of WWII.   This operation never went away.  It adopted activist tactics
    instead of armed militants.   But armed militants are part of the same tool chest.   Sending in diversants into Russia is something I expect
    the Kiev bootlick regime to do likely under the supervision of the CIA.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:03 pm

    Maybe but ukrops aren't smart. So I don't deny that it's smugglers seeing as how it's a common problem and the odd time there is a shootout.

    Or it was drunken retards thinking the three of them can go conquer Russia. Lol.

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