Border Service and Coast Guard of Russia

miketheterrible wrote:But the 10410 has all parts made in Russia. A modernization to shape of vessel isn't a daunting task and if it works with the current designed engines than it's good
Plus work on it has existed for quite a while so building more of them won't be really all that expensive.

Compared to Svetlak-class Rubin-class has double the size, double range, triple endurance, requires third fewer crew and has helicopter pad and hangar

Svetlak-class is also 30 years old platform, even with upgrades it's just auxiliary boat now

Nothing about Svetlak justifies trying to use it as replacement for Rubin, it can only be used for low priority very short range missions

Rubin needs proper replacement, talk about Svetlak is just FSB trying to not come off looking like morons same as Navy did with Gremashis (they both failed pathetically in those attempts)

Toyota can't replace BTR, Svetlak can't replace Rubin

They need to spend less time on saving face and more on doing their jobs (also, Bykov-class is made locally as well)

Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin. I know you state it's saving face but what exactly do you know? Are you FSB? Do you work for FSB? Building new design engines isn't beyond Russia since they already done it twice for Corvettes and now frigates. So building something to replace those of Rubin would make sense since Russia wasn't afraid to admit they couldn't build more due to engines and have to design new ones as replacement. So why would they now be afraid.

You are basing everything on assumptions and conjecture. I think this is why no one takes you seriously.

miketheterrible wrote:Maybe FSB doesn't actually like the Rubin....

They were buying them like crazy for 15 years which means they didn't just liked them, they loved them

This "I didn't like them" shtick doesn't fly anymore, if they had any objections whatsoever they had a whole decade to voice it

They never did, what they did though was to sign praises to them

Some basic dignity, please

Things change. Maybe initially they liked them. Maybe hey didn't but previous management did?

Who knows and I know for a fact you do not. Like I said, they had no problem admitting that they don't have engines to replace them and that they would end up working on new engines to replace them. These ships are also much smaller than a corvette or a frigate and they managed to design and build gearboxes and engines for those ships so something smaller? How laughable.

Anyway, let's see what they do end up doing. They seem to change their minds very often and plans change often.

Frontier patrol ship Taimyr put into operation

Reportedly, on July 10, 2020, in St. Petersburg, the Almaz Shipbuilding Company JSC held a ceremony of raising the Flag of border ships, boats and support vessels on the 2nd rank Taimyr border patrol ship of project 22120 (code "Purga") with serial number 054, which became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. It became the fifth, and, apparently, the last in the series ship of Project 22120.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4086120.html

First Project 23550 patrol icebreaker for Coast Guard laid down in Vyborg shipyard (name: Purga)

http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/30865.html

GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

I suspect the troop capacity would be the main difference but in terms of lifting and carrying cargo they would both be very similar.

The Hip is not as tall as a Helix because of the conventional rotor but has a much bigger rotor disk and the aircraft itself is rather longer than any model Helix... They could make the rotors fold, but making the tail fold as well will require a bit more work...

Rather odd....

If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different

PapaDragon wrote:

If you look closer you can see that it has two helicopter hangars, one big in the middle for Mi-8 and a smaller one on right side probably for Ka-27

Also it has 76mm gun instead of 100mm on Navy version

Space behind helipad, crane and speedboat slots are also different

So there are some differences with navy's version

GarryB wrote:Interesting they show an Mi-17 on board instead of the usual Ka-27 model.

the Mi-17s can land, but won't be based on them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23550_patrol_ship

from : https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4098267.html

"A characteristic feature of the PSKR will be the presence of two helicopter hangars - a large (for a Ka-27 class helicopter) and a small (for a Ka-226 or UAV class helicopter); the helipad allows receiving Mi-8 helicopters."

Took them long enough...

Upgraded Svetlak-class patrol vessel Balaklava has been accepted into service

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/136577/

The border patrol ship "Balaklava" was commissioned

On October 14, 2020, a flag-raising ceremony was held in Kerch on the new Project 10410 Balaklava border patrol ship (code Svetlyak) with serial number 809, which became part of the Russian FSB Border Directorate for the Republic of Crimea. The frontier patrol ship Balaklava (serial number 809) of project 10410 (code Svetlyak) built for the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia, built at PJSC Yaroslavl Shipyard at the final stage of testing off the coast of Crimea, 09/17/2020 (c) Erne / forums.airbase.ru

As already reported, earlier the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia decided to resume the construction of border patrol ships (PSKR) of project 10410 (code "Svetlyak", developed by JSC "Central Marine Design Bureau" Almaz "), having issued orders in 2016 for the construction of four units - one for PJSC "Shipbuilding company" Almaz "in St. Petersburg ( PSKR-933" Kerch " , factory 313), one - at PJSC" Yaroslavl Shipyard "in Yaroslavl ( " Balaklava "with serial number 809), and two - at JSC" Vostochnaya Verf "in Vladivostok (serial numbers 414 and 415).

However, only PSKR-933 Kerch , built at the Almaz SF , was commissionedrelatively quickly - on October 26, 2018, later joining the Border Directorate of the FSB of Russia in the Republic of Crimea. In Yaroslav, PSKR "Balaklava" was laid down on June 15, 2017 and launched on July 17, 2018, and then towed for completion and testing at the Sevastopol Persei shipyard, but in the end the ship was commissioned only now. Both Vladivostok PSKRs, the contractual deadline for which was 2019, are still at the completion stage. Further prospects for the construction of a series of project 10410 are still unclear.

Earlier, from 1988 to 2015, a total of 33 PSKR projects 10410 and 10410B were built at these three shipyards for the Border Guard Troops / Border Service, and seven projects 10412 for foreign customers (six for Vietnam and one for Slovenia).

Video:

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4168335.html

News report from patrol ship Balaklava

Two more border patrol ships of project 03050 were laid down in Yaroslavl

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4174100.html

FSB thwarts illegal border crossing attempt by three armed perpetrators from Ukraine

MOSCOW, December 4. /TASS/. Russian border guards have foiled an illegal border crossing attempt by three armed perpetrators from Ukraine. As the Public Relations Center of the Federal Security Service (FSB) told TASS, after exchanging fire one of them was killed, two others fled.

"The incident occurred at the section of the border under the FSB Directorate for the Belgorod and Voronezh Regions on December 4. A border guard detachment thwarted the border violation attempt from Ukraine into the Russian Federation by three armed unidentified individuals. During an attempt to detain them, the perpetrators responded with armed resistance," the Public Relations Center reported.

As a result of a retaliatory fire, one of them was fatally injured, the two others fled to the territory of Ukraine.

The investigation is underway. The FSB has not reported yet other details of the incident.

Probably smugglers who got caught.

Always happening apparently.

miketheterrible wrote:Probably smugglers who got caught.

Always happening apparently.

And handled with gunfire as it should be

GarryB wrote:Rather suspicious they were armed and rather than just run away wanted to shoot it out till one of their number got killed...

Smugglers tend to want to avoid authorities rather than have shoot outs with them.

Sounds a little suspicious to me...

Ukr nazionalist units were trained to infiltrate the USSR at the end of WWII.   This operation never went away.  It adopted activist tactics
instead of armed militants.   But armed militants are part of the same tool chest.   Sending in diversants into Russia is something I expect
the Kiev bootlick regime to do likely under the supervision of the CIA.

Maybe but ukrops aren't smart. So I don't deny that it's smugglers seeing as how it's a common problem and the odd time there is a shootout.

Or it was drunken retards thinking the three of them can go conquer Russia. Lol.