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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:52 pm


    This is concept of Coast Guard patrol vessel with specs in range of Svetlak patrol boat

    Judging from lower hull shape it seem to be Bykov-class derivative


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:25 am

    Interesting the priority seems to be a heli deck over the usual CIWS gatlings all over the place.... and what is probably a 57mm gun for self defence... presumably replacing the 30mm gatlings.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:17 pm


    Looks like they took front section from Bykov and rear from Rubin (helipad and boat storage below)

    It's pretty much straight replacement for Svetlaks
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:13 am

    The Kamchatka and Transbaikalia border patrol ships went into operation and crossed to the North

     According to Danish shipspotters, on August 20, 2019, through the Baltic Strait, proceeding from the Baltic Sea, heading to the North, new same-type 2nd-rank border patrol ships Kamchatka and Transbaikalia of Project 22120 of the Coast Guard of the Russian Federal Security Service. On August 26, both ships arrived in Murmansk. Thus, the border patrol ships Kamchatka and Transbaikalia, project 22120, built at PJSC Shipbuilding Firm Almaz in St. Petersburg, were introduced into the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia and departed to their permanent base.

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    Transbaikalia border patrol ship (serial number 053) of project 22120 of the Coast Guard of the FSB of Russia crosses the Öresund Strait, heading from the Baltic Sea to the North, 08/08/2019 (c) frankmh

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    The Kamchatka border patrol ship (serial number 052) of project 22120 of the Coast Guard of the Russian Federal Border Guard Service crosses the Öresund Strait, heading from the Baltic Sea to the North, 08/20/2019 (c) frankmh


     Recall that this project 22120 (code "Purga") was developed by PKB Petrobalt LLC as a large customs vessel by order of the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation (FCS of the Russian Federation) on the instructions of 2005. After the FCS of the Russian Federation refused this project in 2009, the project was continued to be financed by the Border Guard Service of the Federal Security Service of Russia, and initially 22220 units of the project were classified as border patrol vessels at the Border Guard Service.

     The lead patrol vessel of project 22120 with serial number 050 was laid down at Almaz Marine Plant OJSC (currently the Vasileostrovskaya site of PAO SF Almaz) initially for the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation on June 25, 2006 and after completion for the new customer it became part of Beregovoi The Border Guard of the FSB of Russia on April 29, 2011 as PS-581. In the fall of 2011, the ship moved to the permanent basing site in Nevelsk on Sakhalin by the Northern Sea Route, then it was renamed to PPS-824, then to PS-824, and in July 2017 it received the name “Rear Admiral Kolchin E.S.”

     The second patrol vessel PS-825 of modified project 22120 with serial number 051 was started by construction at the Almaz SF in April 2011, the laying ceremony took place on November 25, 2011. The vessel became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia on July 5, 2013, and in September of the same year also crossed over to Nevelsk on Sakhalin. For some time the vessel was designated as PPS-825, then again as PPS-825, and since September 2018 it is called “Rear Admiral Dianov”.

     At the end of 2016, Almaz SF signed a contract with the FSB of Russia for the construction of another project 22120 patrol vessel (ship) with serial number 052, the initial (maximum) contract price was 1.76364437 billion rubles 44 kopecks. The laying of the Kamchatka patrol vessel (serial number 052) under this contract was carried out at the Almaz SF on May 24, 2017, the Kamchatka ship was launched on May 17, 2018 and became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of Russia on November 23 2018 year.

     In February 2018, Almaz SF signed a new contract with the FSB of Russia for the construction of two more border patrol ships of project 22120 with serial numbers 053 and 054, with a deadline for the delivery of both in 2019. The laying ceremony of both Zabaykalye (serial number 053) and Taimyr (serial number 054) ships under this contract was carried out at the plant on May 30, 2018. The Zabaykalye ship was launched at the end of April 2019, and in July the ship became part of the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia, although there were no official reports about this. Now, Kamchatka and Transbaikalia have made a joint transition from the Baltic to the North, from where, apparently, they will proceed to the place of permanent basing in the Far East (Kamchatka should make the transition to the place of basing in Kamchatka).

    The Taimyr ship (serial number 054) was launched without much publicity in early July 2019.

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    The Taimyr border patrol ship (serial number 054) of project 22120, which is being built for the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of Russia, launched at PJSC Shipbuilding Firm Almaz PJSC. St. Petersburg, 07/27/2019 (c) Curious / forums.airbase.ru

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:45 am


    Two Project 23550 patrol icebreakers (Papanin-class) to be laid down in Vyborg for Coast Guard

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3818141.html
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    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:41 am

    Good move.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm


    Okean-class patrol ship Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky has been delivered to Coast Guard

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/127724/

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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:53 am

    Rasul Gamzatov border patrol ship of project 22460 launched

    According to reports, on December 21, 2019, Almaz Shipbuilding Firm in St. Petersburg launched the Rasul Gamzatov border patrol ship, which is being built for the Coast Guard of the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of Russia, with serial number 511 of project 22460 (code “Okhotnik”) , developer - Northern PCB JSC). He became the 14th border patrol ship (PSKR) of project 22460 and the 11th ship of this project, being built at the Almaz SF, and, apparently, will be the last unit in the series of project 22460.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:28 pm

    George1 wrote:Rasul Gamzatov border patrol ship of project 22460 launched
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    So this will be 14th and the last one even though 30 were originally planned.

    Do we know what they plan to build in place of this class? Question




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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 29, 2020 5:15 am


    Well this came out for the blue, all we had about this type of boat was concept art from couple of years ago followed with absolutely nothing until today when they launched first completed boat out of the blue...

    First river version of Lamantin-class patrol boat has been launched

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4042362.html

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    Post  xeno on Fri May 29, 2020 6:16 am

    a small, cute, armed and armoured boat....
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 29, 2020 12:33 pm

    Interesting... can anyone work out what weapon is mounted front and rear... I have had a close look and I can't tell if it is a short barrel grenade launcher or a rifle calibre gatling gun... it looks quite short for its diameter so I am thinking grenade launcher of perhaps 40mm calibre or a 4 barrel rifle calibre GSh-7.62 like that fitted to the Ka-29 troop helo.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 29, 2020 2:27 pm

    BTW most of the boats above are here:

    https://www.aoosk.ru/en/products/

    But not this new boat...
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    Post  franco on Fri May 29, 2020 4:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Rasul Gamzatov border patrol ship of project 22460 launched
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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3882955.html


    So this will be 14th and the last one even though 30 were originally planned.

    Do we know what they plan to build in place of this class?    Question





    Last paragraph of the linked article:
    "Thus, the total number of built or under construction RCPS of project 22460 is currently 14 units, of which 13 have been commissioned and one is under construction. According to unofficial information, the Border service of the FSB of Russia is not very satisfied with the characteristics of the project 22460, which is why, apparently, its construction will not continue, and instead, in 2016, the construction of the project 10410 PCR (code "Firefly") in a modernized appearance will be resumed."
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    Post  franco on Fri May 29, 2020 4:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting... can anyone work out what weapon is mounted front and rear... I have had a close look and I can't tell if it is a short barrel grenade launcher or a rifle calibre gatling gun... it looks quite short for its diameter so I am thinking grenade launcher of perhaps 40mm calibre or a 4 barrel rifle calibre GSh-7.62 like that fitted to the Ka-29 troop helo.

    Might be just a filler. Article mentions various weapon options for the two weapon mounts.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 29, 2020 7:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting... can anyone work out what weapon is mounted front and rear....

    It's this one:

    http://www.burevestnik.com/products/dpv-rbp.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 30, 2020 6:11 am

    Nice... thanks for the link...

    They have a history of using turrets from armoured vehicles on their light boats... right down to the rifle calibre machine gun turrets from the T-26 light tank, so of course it makes a lot of sense to use remote weapon turrets being developed for new light vehicles for essentially the same purpose...

    On a river the requirements in terms of stabilisation wont be that much difference though there is probably a reduction in accuracy... it will still be better than hand held weapons.

    After the Falklands war Soviet ships started being seen with HMG mountings near the ships bridges and over various places on the deck as British experience showed that even rifle calibre machine gun fire using tracer can put off a pilot trying to bomb your vessel... and large volumes of fire can be very effective in putting the pilot off even if it doesn't shoot down a lot of planes. Of course for objects in the water like divers or floating mines they are useful too.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 30, 2020 11:38 am


    These boats will be used in places like Volga or Amur river mouths to deal with poachers or assist with emergency and rescue so these guns are there just for basic use


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    Post  medo on Sat May 30, 2020 5:05 pm

    This new river boat Lamantin will be of great use on Russian-Estonian border on Narva river and Chudskoe/Peipsi lake. Other place is Amur river. Those new modern boats are for now more needed on border with NATO enemy.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 30, 2020 11:53 pm

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Rasul Gamzatov border patrol ship of project 22460 launched
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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3882955.html


    So this will be 14th and the last one even though 30 were originally planned.

    Do we know what they plan to build in place of this class?    Question





    Last paragraph of the linked article:
    "Thus, the total number of built or under construction RCPS of project 22460 is currently 14 units, of which 13 have been commissioned and one is under construction. According to unofficial information, the Border service of the FSB of Russia is not very satisfied with the characteristics of the project 22460, which is why, apparently, its construction will not continue, and instead, in 2016, the construction of the project 10410 PCR (code "Firefly") in a modernized appearance will be resumed."

    It's obvious here, they want a bigger main gun, in 76.2mm caliber, specifically the AK-176MA main gun which will allow it to hit surface targets 6 times farther.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 31, 2020 12:09 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    franco wrote:Last paragraph of the linked article:
    "Thus, the total number of built or under construction RCPS of project 22460 is currently 14 units, of which 13 have been commissioned and one is under construction. According to unofficial information, the Border service of the FSB of Russia is not very satisfied with the characteristics of the project 22460, which is why, apparently, its construction will not continue, and instead, in 2016, the construction of the project 10410 PCR (code "Firefly") in a modernized appearance will be resumed."

    It's obvious here, they want a bigger main gun, in 76.2mm caliber, specifically the AK-176MA main gun which will allow it to hit surface targets 6 times farther.

    Which they will not be getting with upgraded Svetlak-class (Project 10410)

    It was always supplementary class to Rubin boats and even after all this time they only built two

    This looks more like sour grapes situation: they lost access to imported engines which took entire class out of the game because they (yet again) designed entire ship around single imported engine type without any options for local alternatives

    So now they say how they never liked those ships in the first place which is bullshit, they absolutely loved them during 15 years they were allowed to buy them

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 31, 2020 1:07 pm

    Either way... they have some boats and can use their experience with them and the experience with being let down by unreliable foreign suppliers to make a better choice in the future...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 31, 2020 1:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:Either way... they have some boats and can use their experience with them and the experience with being let down by unreliable foreign suppliers to make a better choice in the future...

    Best and fastest solution would be to order monkey version of Bykov-class OPV for Coast Guard (they will be doing same with Papanin-class Arctic patrol ship)

    It has everything required for Coast Guard, it's built locally, it has decent price, it's in production and tested, they just need to replace naval radars and other equipment with Coast Guard versions plus everyone is already whining how Bykov-class is not true warship (BS IMHO) so just do the smart thing and get stuff that works


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 31, 2020 3:17 pm

    But the 10410 has all parts made in Russia. A modernization to shape of vessel isn't a daunting task and if it works with the current designed engines than it's good
    Plus work on it has existed for quite a while so building more of them won't be really all that expensive.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 31, 2020 4:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:But the 10410 has all parts made in Russia. A modernization to shape of vessel isn't a daunting task and if it works with the current designed engines than it's good
    Plus work on it has existed for quite a while so building more of them won't be really all that expensive.

    Compared to Svetlak-class Rubin-class has double the size, double range, triple endurance, requires third fewer crew and has helicopter pad and hangar

    Svetlak-class is also 30 years old platform, even with upgrades it's just auxiliary boat now

    Nothing about Svetlak justifies trying to use it as replacement for Rubin, it can only be used for low priority very short range missions

    Rubin needs proper replacement, talk about Svetlak is just FSB trying to not come off looking like morons same as Navy did with Gremashis (they both failed pathetically in those attempts)

    Toyota can't replace BTR, Svetlak can't replace Rubin

    They need to spend less time on saving face and more on doing their jobs (also, Bykov-class is made locally as well)




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