Ukrainian nation

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

Maybe. And the Ukrainians will just enjoy living like the North Koreans, as their economy is probably worst now than what North Koreans are.

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

Welcome back, FV, and welcome to my ignore list. Your pontifications rank right up there with Yahoo News comments.

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

lol what if in about 100 years no Ukrainian will be left in Ukraine but only ethnic Russian?

Project Canada wrote:

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

lol what if in about 100 years no Ukrainian will be left in Ukraine but only ethnic Russian?

Doubt it, history of ukrainian civilisation lasts at least 40,000 years, so they have survived the worst episodes in history and will survive this russian invasion too.

Werewolf wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

lol what if in about 100 years no Ukrainian will be left in Ukraine but only ethnic Russian?

There are no such thing as ethnic ukrainian, they are all entirely russians.

Genetically they will be the same yes, and historically their ethnicity is russian too for the most part, but i do feel they have been separated from russia in a way that the ones who want to be ethnically 'ukrainian', have the choice to be. The mistake people make in the west is that they think russians and ukrainians are totally different either side of the border.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

ultron wrote:Irrepairable. Ukraine will never join NATO because of disputed territory Crimea. US military bases will pop up all over Ukraine. Ukrainians will be brainwashed by Ukrainian state media to hate Russians forever. In about 100 years no Ukrainian will be able to speak Russian. Anyone who speaks Russian in Ukraine will be beaten to a bloody pulp by Right Sector.

It'll be like between North Korea and South Korea, only a lot worse.

lol what if in about 100 years no Ukrainian will be left in Ukraine but only ethnic Russian?

There are no such thing as ethnic ukrainian, they are all entirely russians.

Genetically they will be the same yes, and historically their ethnicity is russian too for the most part, but i do feel they have been separated from russia in a way that the ones who want to be ethnically 'ukrainian', have the choice to be. The mistake people make in the west is that they think russians and ukrainians are totally different either side of the border.

The whole "Ukraine" myth was created by the German general staff of WW1, and Ukraine's main purpose was to be a logistics hub for the Germans.

No, Ukrainians are not all just Russians. There is a lot of Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian and even Spanish (believe it or not)
blood in the western part. Back in 1000 AD there was exactly zero difference, but the last 1015 years have resulted in a rather
noticeable bifurcation. However, the south and east of Soviet-created Ukraine is actually ethnically Russian and should not be
treated as part of Ukraine. This region includes very old Greek communities and even Serbs who settled in the east over a
century ago.

There is no Ukraine there, there.

https://topwar.ru/149683-raschlenenie-ukrainy-konsorciuma-s-limitrofami-ne-poluchitsja.html

I mostly agree with him; at best, only small areas in W. & S. parts could be taken by Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, & Romania w/o endangering Russia's security.

kvs wrote:No, Ukrainians are not all just Russians.   There is a lot of Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian and even Spanish (believe it or not)
blood in the western part.   Back in 1000 AD there was exactly zero difference, but the last 1015 years have resulted in a rather
noticeable bifurcation.   However, the south and east of Soviet-created Ukraine is actually ethnically Russian and should not be
treated as part of Ukraine.  This region includes very old Greek communities and even Serbs who settled in the east over a
century ago.  

There is no Ukraine there, there.

And your claim on the Spaniards settling in the western Ukraine is based on what?

As much as I know Polish history, I never heard or read anything about it. They had more than enough land to settle in the New World and elsewhere, why would they ever come to western Ukraine?

I know that Vlachs (Romanians) settled in both Poland and Ukraine, and Hungarians used to live a long time ago in what is now Ukraine. I also read about the New Serbia.


Perhaps you think that the surname Bandera sounds Spanish? Actually, the word bandera in the Polish language means "naval ensign" and I think that a Polish origin of this surname is much more likely than Spanish. You should be able to check this in any Polish-English dictionary.

According to Google it says - "The traditional account presented in The Russian Primary Chronicle, it was founded by the Viking Oleg, ruler of Novgorod from about 879. In 882 he seized Smolensk and Kiev, and the latter city, owing to its strategic location on the Dnieper River, became the capital of Kievan Rus."

Does this mean a Russian founded the city or no?

It was ruled over by Askold and Dir, two Varangian brothers when Oleg came there and killed them. Then he made Kiev the new capital of Rus', taking over from Novgorod.

That was in the late 9th century. As for when the city was founded; well it was more of a large village and trading hub even when Oleg took it over, and it's impossible to say for sure - but some evidence points to there being a settlement there by the 700s

It's impossible to say for sure, as even before then, there is a lot of evidence for Iron Age cultures (Sarmatians, Goths) in the Kiev region, and before that even Bronze Age ones (Cucuteni–Trypillia, Thracians, proto-Slavs) and Neolithic ones.