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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:41 am

    jamestown... I feel dirty having clicked on that link Tsavo...

    Even if they jump on Russia from behind and stab her repeatedly in the back screaming obscenities... Iran would still be a more reliable and responsible partner than the US or UK could ever be to Russia.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:15 am

    I knew u would blame the site. But there's a grain of truth in that quote. I recently spoke to an Iranian cab driver here in AZ- he feels that Russia got more in the Caspian than it should have.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:57 am

    The vast majority of Iranians living in America (especially West Hollywood) fantasize about toppling the current Iranian regime and going back to the previous fascist govt., almost exactly like the Anti-Castro Cubans....hardly a reliable source of information.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:42 am

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    Post  yavar on Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:13 pm

    Iran Army Navy cheif Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi said that we have mass produced of submarine-missiles. A year ago, Iran launched its first submarine-missile and now we are manufacturing it in large numbers,” Commander of Iranian Army Navy Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi said on Sunday. "Today, we have achieved the technology to launch missiles from the depth of sea and the equipment that comes with it, including the missile, and its capsule, the submarine and its workforce are totally Iranian," Khanzadi added. en.mehrnews.com/news/151891/ Nasr naval cruise missile, Jask 2 project. SLCM,


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    Post  yavar on Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:33 am

    Iran Defense Minister Army Gen. Hatami: the Damavand-2 destroyer will joining the Army navy soon


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    Post  yavar on Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:09 pm

    Iran Army Navy chief Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi: Dena destroyer Navy ship will be ready by end of Iranian year with Vertical launching system ( VLS)
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    Post  yavar on Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:32 pm

    Iran Army Navy Ghadir submarine, launch cruise missile, subsurface to surface Jask_2 project SLCM

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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:14 pm

    Modernization of the Iranian frigate Alborz

    Built in Britain before the revolution, the lightweight frigate Alborz (named after the Elbours mountain system) of the Vosper Mk.5 project continues to serve Iran. Judging by the latest photographs, he underwent another modernization during which the Iranian six-barrel 30-mm Kamand anti-aircraft artillery system was installed on it with an optoelectronic system for detecting and tracking targets.

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    Post  nomadski on Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:41 pm

    https://youtu.be/54pjZUWYqZ8

    Yes we need fast attack boats. To target the littoral enemy ships. That dislodge amphibian IFV's. That do shore landing by marines. But we need air cover for these boats. And they have limited range. The enemy stand outside their range and fire cruise missiles. Yes we need ships with vertical launch anti - cruise missile, missiles. Then we need our own anti - ship missiles from missile cruiser. But enemy has standard missiles. And many of them. And aircraft carrier launched jets with  anti - ship cruise missiles. Many of them. But then we get lucky. And after loosing several planes and surface ships. Manage to sink an aircraft carrier. But the enemy has more aircraft carriers. So we need submarines. They can not be hit by jets. Or cruise missiles. And torpedo hard to intercept. So save the money and trouble of making complicated. What should be simple. Build many more submarines.

    Even with submarines. The aim  should be to keep away their aircraft carriers. With their longer rande B21. The aim should not be to circumnavigate the Earth with subs. Just Indian Ocean. To keep away the aircraft carriers. Since we can not compete in numbers or range with enemy subs. But can produce cheap diesel electric to cover Indian Ocean. We use land to trade with China and Europe. Make the sea into their grave. No need for surface Fleet to escort merchant ships. Can not be done. Use land for trade.

    Our Indian Ocean fleet, should be able to destroy airfields, where the enemy may use longer range bombers. The islands. But also coastal nations in Africa or Asia. Who may help them.

    Using Ocean going subs or ships to launch cruise against yank target from Atlantic Ocean is difficult. They have every chance of being hit. Better use surface fleet locally. In anti - piracy operations.

    Far easier and cheaper to launch ICBM against Yanks. Than waste time and money doing it by ships or subs. Twelve years until heavy Ocean going sub. Just one sub. Therefore the priority for now is :

    ( 1) Numerous cheap and capable diesel subs for Indian Ocean. To kill carriers. 200 plus.

    ( 2)  ICBM.

    ( 3) Everything else.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:33 pm

    Cheaper to buy S-300/400/500s from Russia &/ their counterparts from China like HQ-9. Also land based/ALAShMs/drones, MPA, & missile EW systems.
    Eventually, the waterway from the Caspian to the Gulf will be built & it will have huge economic & military value; Iran will become to Russia what Panama is to the USA.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:01 pm

    Iranians will decide what to buy. But Iran is not Syria. What is maximum cost benefit system? Do we play the goal keeper? Forever defensive? Russia is not fighting for it's survival in Syria. So it can let Syria be hammered and just take defensive action.

    Best place to hit is manufacturing and assembly station of enemy. Highest value. Least operational threat. So you need ICBM. So Russia can not help here.

    The other place to hit is carrier planes. Before planes are airborne and become threat. Too late and difficult to target each missile or plane after it has been deployed. Poor tactics. But can Russia help manufacture submarines?  Even simple diesel subs can be modified to be silent with low emissions and snorkel is low RCS. Iran needs offensive capability. This is not Syria. How about small reactor for " power generation". Can be dual use or copied for sub propulsion? How about AIP propulsion? Does Russia have any to sell?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:38 pm

    Iran better have the $ or other goods to pay for all of that, despite of sanctions.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:58 am

    There are several ways to address this payments. To allow Russia / Iran trade long term. I can think of the following ways :

    ( 1 ) Payment by not charging Russia any service charges at ports in Caspian and PG for next 50 years.

    ( 2 )  Barter trade by goods.

    ( 3 ) Payments by installments.

    ( 4 ) Preferential trade agreements. Legally binding.

    I think...... and  you can imagine..... 200.....400.....or more mini - sub in Indian Ocean? Cost of one sub, similar to one jet fighter or SAM system . But how many carriers can SAM or jet destroy ?.... Zero.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:12 pm

    Iran is resisting US hegemony... something Russia can support.

    Iran needs to decide how it wants to react to the US and western pressure which is not going to go away, and it needs to base its future procurement plans around that.

    Strong air defences are important but they do need a navy for various practical reasons too... day to day reasons just because of their location.

    Iran can pay for anything it needs in oil if it wants, in fact that would be an excellent way for them to pay while the US sanctions those buying Iranian oil... US already sanctions Russia so who gives a crap right?

    Russia could process it into various materials or store it or sell it to other countries...

    The Iranians have proven themselves to be clever weapon makers... a few joint ventures would be interesting... doesn't that limit on military sales to Iran expire in october 2020 or something?

    I would think a contract to mass produce Su-30s for Iran would be a very good start for them... but air defence systems would also be useful... perhaps a production contract to make their own Pantsir missiles or TOR missiles or both...

    Maybe something really radical... they still use 100mm anti aircraft guns... how about a 152mm calibre gun that uses guided shells out to a 70km range against air targets with an air burst shell.... Something designed to be located in bases but to provide artillery support to the area around them like the old US fire bases in Vietnam... except with better communications and much more accurate fire power... Twisted Evil

    Could be used against Naval targets too... if they get too close.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:34 am

    @ GarryB

    The problem is to try and secure the critical path in defence. This path depends on the cost of a system and the probability of success and if system is domestic or imported. Take for example problem of enemy fighter jets. We can fight these using air defences or fighter planes or submarines that hit the carrier at sea. But which system should be invested in most heavily. And which one should be imported. And which one with domestic production?

    The best probability for air defence under battle conditions may be 30 %. And the cost is known. The best for fighter jet is say 50%. And cost is known. The best for submarine is about 50 %. And cost is known. Out of these the submarine has the greatest cost to benefit ratio. For two submarines lost, we get one ship or carrier. This is the critical path. Where capital should be expended for setting up domestic manufacturing and mass production.

    For fighter planes, I agree Iran could save money by just buying fighter jets from Russia. Saving money in not setting up domestic manufacture. If it is short of money. But it should in any case carry on research with domestic jet planes. In case supply dried up. It could then set up manufacture at home.

    Russia already sold submarines to Iran. So no problem with politics there. I think they can put joint venture with Russia and China to mass produce cost effective submarines to keep carriers away. China is building a plant for mass production of submarines.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26201/china-building-the-worlds-largest-submarine-factory/

    To keep costs down, intelligent torpedo can replace submarine. They can plant smart torpedo in Oceon. For a barrier of 1000 km long, we need only 10 torpedo of 100 km range. Very doable and cost effective. Once long range radar detect ship, then sonar signal activates torpedo resting on Ocean floor. Torpedo come to surface and gets further target data. And heads to target. Locating target by shape of Hull. By small periscope. No need for too many sub.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon May 11, 2020 4:54 pm

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/158567/Iran-s-Navy-announces-details-on-mishap-in-southern-waters

    RIP to all those who died. In busy battle environment, mistakes happen. Electronic FOF, system gives signals at long range. Can be intercepted. A short range FOF, system based on acoustics, may disable missile approaching friendly target and disable at short range, without being picked up at long range.  For subsonic missile acoustic emitter can be on missile. For supersonic missile, emitter can be on ship. Other automated directional beam emitters, that activate before impact, may also work. Without being picked up by opponent. Light emitter by missile. Signal given out to missile, by ship, in response, to deactivate.......

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/interf.html
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 12, 2020 4:41 am

    Mistakes do happen and it is critical that a full unbiased investigation take place to work out what happened and also why it happened.

    Did current procedures and tactics make this happen or was an error made so this becomes something that should not normally happen.

    What tactics or procedures need to be amended or changed to make sure it doesn't happen again... but of course they will already be doing all this.

    RIP to those who paid the biggest price...
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 28, 2020 1:04 pm

    Delivery of new bits and bobs to the navy. Claimed to be a 100 of them. As well as lots of different size power boats note the three interesting items at the front. Bigger picture at link.

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