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    Post  nomadski Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:01 pm

    Iranians will decide what to buy. But Iran is not Syria. What is maximum cost benefit system? Do we play the goal keeper? Forever defensive? Russia is not fighting for it's survival in Syria. So it can let Syria be hammered and just take defensive action.

    Best place to hit is manufacturing and assembly station of enemy. Highest value. Least operational threat. So you need ICBM. So Russia can not help here.

    The other place to hit is carrier planes. Before planes are airborne and become threat. Too late and difficult to target each missile or plane after it has been deployed. Poor tactics. But can Russia help manufacture submarines?  Even simple diesel subs can be modified to be silent with low emissions and snorkel is low RCS. Iran needs offensive capability. This is not Syria. How about small reactor for " power generation". Can be dual use or copied for sub propulsion? How about AIP propulsion? Does Russia have any to sell?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:38 pm

    Iran better have the $ or other goods to pay for all of that, despite of sanctions.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:58 am

    There are several ways to address this payments. To allow Russia / Iran trade long term. I can think of the following ways :

    ( 1 ) Payment by not charging Russia any service charges at ports in Caspian and PG for next 50 years.

    ( 2 )  Barter trade by goods.

    ( 3 ) Payments by installments.

    ( 4 ) Preferential trade agreements. Legally binding.

    I think...... and  you can imagine..... 200.....400.....or more mini - sub in Indian Ocean? Cost of one sub, similar to one jet fighter or SAM system . But how many carriers can SAM or jet destroy ?.... Zero.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:12 pm

    Iran is resisting US hegemony... something Russia can support.

    Iran needs to decide how it wants to react to the US and western pressure which is not going to go away, and it needs to base its future procurement plans around that.

    Strong air defences are important but they do need a navy for various practical reasons too... day to day reasons just because of their location.

    Iran can pay for anything it needs in oil if it wants, in fact that would be an excellent way for them to pay while the US sanctions those buying Iranian oil... US already sanctions Russia so who gives a crap right?

    Russia could process it into various materials or store it or sell it to other countries...

    The Iranians have proven themselves to be clever weapon makers... a few joint ventures would be interesting... doesn't that limit on military sales to Iran expire in october 2020 or something?

    I would think a contract to mass produce Su-30s for Iran would be a very good start for them... but air defence systems would also be useful... perhaps a production contract to make their own Pantsir missiles or TOR missiles or both...

    Maybe something really radical... they still use 100mm anti aircraft guns... how about a 152mm calibre gun that uses guided shells out to a 70km range against air targets with an air burst shell.... Something designed to be located in bases but to provide artillery support to the area around them like the old US fire bases in Vietnam... except with better communications and much more accurate fire power... Twisted Evil

    Could be used against Naval targets too... if they get too close.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:34 am

    @ GarryB

    The problem is to try and secure the critical path in defence. This path depends on the cost of a system and the probability of success and if system is domestic or imported. Take for example problem of enemy fighter jets. We can fight these using air defences or fighter planes or submarines that hit the carrier at sea. But which system should be invested in most heavily. And which one should be imported. And which one with domestic production?

    The best probability for air defence under battle conditions may be 30 %. And the cost is known. The best for fighter jet is say 50%. And cost is known. The best for submarine is about 50 %. And cost is known. Out of these the submarine has the greatest cost to benefit ratio. For two submarines lost, we get one ship or carrier. This is the critical path. Where capital should be expended for setting up domestic manufacturing and mass production.

    For fighter planes, I agree Iran could save money by just buying fighter jets from Russia. Saving money in not setting up domestic manufacture. If it is short of money. But it should in any case carry on research with domestic jet planes. In case supply dried up. It could then set up manufacture at home.

    Russia already sold submarines to Iran. So no problem with politics there. I think they can put joint venture with Russia and China to mass produce cost effective submarines to keep carriers away. China is building a plant for mass production of submarines.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26201/china-building-the-worlds-largest-submarine-factory/

    To keep costs down, intelligent torpedo can replace submarine. They can plant smart torpedo in Oceon. For a barrier of 1000 km long, we need only 10 torpedo of 100 km range. Very doable and cost effective. Once long range radar detect ship, then sonar signal activates torpedo resting on Ocean floor. Torpedo come to surface and gets further target data. And heads to target. Locating target by shape of Hull. By small periscope. No need for too many sub.
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    Post  nomadski Mon May 11, 2020 4:54 pm

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/158567/Iran-s-Navy-announces-details-on-mishap-in-southern-waters

    RIP to all those who died. In busy battle environment, mistakes happen. Electronic FOF, system gives signals at long range. Can be intercepted. A short range FOF, system based on acoustics, may disable missile approaching friendly target and disable at short range, without being picked up at long range.  For subsonic missile acoustic emitter can be on missile. For supersonic missile, emitter can be on ship. Other automated directional beam emitters, that activate before impact, may also work. Without being picked up by opponent. Light emitter by missile. Signal given out to missile, by ship, in response, to deactivate.......

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/interf.html
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    Post  GarryB Tue May 12, 2020 4:41 am

    Mistakes do happen and it is critical that a full unbiased investigation take place to work out what happened and also why it happened.

    Did current procedures and tactics make this happen or was an error made so this becomes something that should not normally happen.

    What tactics or procedures need to be amended or changed to make sure it doesn't happen again... but of course they will already be doing all this.

    RIP to those who paid the biggest price...
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 28, 2020 1:04 pm

    Delivery of new bits and bobs to the navy. Claimed to be a 100 of them. As well as lots of different size power boats note the three interesting items at the front. Bigger picture at link.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 28, 2020 5:23 pm

    A close up

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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:01 pm

    The homegrown warship is named Rudaki.

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:00 pm

    I guess they will be interested by the Tor that was tested onboard the Grigorovitch class from the helipad...

    Maybe they will order some such ships from Russia. They can then just put mobile launchers on them like on this one.

    Not as effective as a real warship but it can carry quite a powerful stock of weapon to deal with lonely ships.

    Ka-31 would also be a nice power up.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:11 am

    @ ISOS

    ".... Maybe they will order some such ships from Russia. They can then just put mobile launchers on them like on this one......"

    Good idea, to buy good second hand freight ships, not order new ones. And convert them.  At fraction of cost of building specialist vessel or buy it. This way a fleet of tens or a hundred can be built up real quick.


    "..... Not as effective as a real warship but it can carry quite a powerful stock of weapon to deal with lonely ships........"


    Not if you have numerical superiority. And this can be achieved by converting existing ships. And how many ships do you know that can launch mini- Subs? Maybe 4 to 6 of them? Extend range of mini-subs, to cover choke points like Bab-el- Mandab or coast of South Africa to Antarctic? The subs can sit and listen for weeks , and get picked up later.

    Iran needs to develop tech in all areas. Ability to build all equipment. Once technical knowhow achieved, then with Russia and China, all contracts can go to tender. The one with lower cost and good quality, gets picked. In open fair market. So it could be that a product gets built in three different places. A little like Euro fighter project.
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    Post  George1 Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:40 pm

    Iran’s deploys 71st naval fleet to international waters
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    BEIRUT, LEBANON (7:45 P.M.) – The 71st flotilla of the Iranian Navy set off for high seas to safeguard maritime routes used by Iranian vessels in international waters, specially in the Gulf of Aden.

    The new fleet which left Iran’s southern waters on Saturday consists of the home-made Alborz destroyer and helicopter-carrier warship named Khark.

    Meanwhile, the 70th fleet of warships of the Iranian Navy returned to Bandar Abbas in southern Iran after completing its mission in free waters.

    Iranian Navy’s 70th flotilla of warships, comprising of Sablan destroyer and Lavan logistic-combat warship, was welcomed by Commander of the Navy’s first zone Admiral Jafar Tazakkor in a ceremony in Bandar Abbas.

    The 70th flotilla of the Navy returned to the country after days of sailing and fulfilling missions and establishment of security for the Iranian cargo ships in the Gulf of Aden and Bab al-Mandab Strait.

    Addressing the ceremony, Admiral Tazakkor said that monitoring and identification of foreign vessels in the international waters along with safeguarding Iran’s interests are among the important responsibilities of the Iranian fleets of warships.

    “We will not compromise our interests and are not joking with any foreign country and force in the region and outside the region. The security of our interests is our redline,” he underlined.

    In recent years, Iran’s naval forces have increased their presence in high seas to secure naval routes and protect merchant vessels and oil tankers against pirates.

    In line with international efforts to combat piracy, the Iranian Navy has also been conducting anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden to safeguard the vessels involved in maritime trade, specially the ships and oil tankers owned or leased by Iran.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/irans-deploys-71st-naval-fleet-to-international-waters/
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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:52 pm

    The process of converting a tanker into the advanced Makran floating base of the Iranian Navy at the Iran Shipbuilding & Offshore Industries Complex in Bandar Abbas

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:04 am

    Would be interesting... the main rotor on a helicopter is generally its centre of gravity and the source of the force that lifts the whole vehicle, so in theory you could put a lifting ring on the top of the central point of the main rotor which you could use a cable and hook and crane to lift the helicopter using a crane.

    Failing that you could put lifting points on the fuselage so the cables can reach down between the rotor blades (when the helicopter is being lifted the rotor blades wont be spinning).

    That would mean you could fit a large crane on this ship and lift helicopters off the deck and put in on the rear part of the ship... perhaps with main rotors folded for compact storage of lots of helicopters and drones, or to access a workshop for repairs or maintenance, or to just operate with a lot more helicopters without needing aircraft lifts.

    You could also use the crane to lift material off ships coming along side including munitions or food or parts or anything at all.

    It might even be possible to carry something like TOR that could be lifted out on to the deck for self defence... or on the rear of the ship where they could operate too.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm

    Interesting details: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/the-100000-ton-us-navy-ship-that-iran-is-copying/
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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:18 pm

    The Iranian Navy officially includes the light frigate Dena and the minesweeper Shahin

    At the main Iranian naval base in the port of Bandar Abbas, which is located in the Strait of Hormuz, a solemn ceremony was held to include the light frigate Dena (hull number 75) and the minesweeper Shahin (hull number M111) into the Iranian Army. Light frigate Dena with a displacement of 1,500 tons is the fourth ship of the Mowj project built in Iran, after Jamaran, Damavand and Sahand. Since the construction of ships of this project has been pretty delayed since the 2000s. (according to rumors, due to the problems that have arisen with the need for import substitution of certain components due to sanctions, etc.), the ships of this project are built with some noticeable differences from each other, while the main armament as a whole remains the same. Dena, like its predecessors, carries four launchers of anti-ship missiles Noor or Ghader,


    Traditionally, the name of the new lightweight frigate comes from the name of the mountains, the ship is named after the Dena mountain range, located in the Zagros mountain system.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:54 pm

    Couldn't find the earlier posts on this expedition but after traveling round the Cape of Good Hope and causing a ruckus with the US about possibly going to Venezuela, they now look like they have passed the 'quick' trip home and are heading towards the Chanel. Expect all kinds of ruckus for public consumption as the Royal Navy, or at least what's left of it in home waters, is scrambled to defend the UK Laughing

    Guesses please on their destination.

    Mine is St Petersburg.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:26 pm

    Now cruising up the Channel. In plenty of time for Navy Day in St Petersburg Smile

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:34 am

    Yes... Navy Day in St Petersburg respekt lol!
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:59 am

    Are there any British Navy ships available to provide escort?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:Are there any British Navy ships available to provide escort?

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Clearly not. As that was much too embarrassing for the Royal Navy there was nothing in our papers or TV about ships from evil Iran only 12 miles off Dover either.

    Meanwhile they have now passed into the Baltic. Denmark still has ships left locally to protect the country Smile

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:55 am

    They are picking fights in the Black Sea to assert their ignorance of historical events, but don't have enough ships to defend their own waters...

    Not really a global naval power any more are they?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:53 pm

    Note the location, in waters that the US would regard as theirs Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:59 pm

    Safely home after their trip to St Petersburg. Not Venezuela Laughing Laughing

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