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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

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    Post  Khepesh Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:54 pm

    Tank battalion "Diesel" prepares for the tank biathlon which began today near Saur-Mogila. It is a competion involving the twenty best tank crews in DNR to see who is best. Competition will last three days.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:19 pm



    It looks pretty much the Rebels are really bored already and have not a lot to do now..
    with the new cease of fire.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Whether they know it or not this action makes sense. They will need all the food they can get this winter.

    They haven't taken one thing into account. Remember Kerch Straight bridge construction?

    As a part of that project a temporary bridge is being built. So in addition to ship transport which should more than suffice, they will have a backup option in the form of that bridge should need arise.

    Ukrops are just being day late and a dollar(and quite a few brain cells) short as usual.

    It is not too late insofar as the bridge is not finished yet.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:02 pm

    From RT

    http://www.rt.com/news/316083-rt-ofcom-probe-resolved/

    Ofcom fingers RT for using Kiev’s words to make it look bad

    UK telecom watchdog Ofcom has ruled that three episodes of RT programming were in breach of its code of conduct. One was never aired in the UK and another one drew no complaints at all. However, RT was blamed for citing a UK official’s words that made Kiev look bad.

    The rulings published in the watchdog’s latest bulletin concern two episodes of a now-defunct commentary show The TruthSeeker and a documentary based on eyewitness accounts given to RT by people who suffered during hostilities in eastern Ukraine.

    The documentary called Ukraine’s Refugees didn’t generate a single complaint in the UK, but was investigated by Ofcom on its own initiative. The watchdog said it violated its code’s impartiality clause because it didn’t sufficiently represent the position of the Ukrainian government. The documentary unambiguously stated in the film that Kiev “denied all charges of crimes against civilians,” allegations of which were voiced by witnesses interviewed for the film.

    “We are shocked and disappointed by Ofcom's decision. The film about refugees was based entirely on first-hand accounts of the war victims,” said RT’s editor in chief Margarita Simonyan.

    The other judgments pertained to two episodes of The TruthSeeker, a commentary program taken off air in July 2014. One episode was dedicated to the Ukrainian civil war and resulting humanitarian crisis. It was never aired in the UK. Again, Ofcom found it breached the impartiality clause, because the statements from Kiev authorities denying accusations of crimes against civilians were not a big enough counterbalance, according to the watchdog.

    “We are being criticized because the show used statements made by Ukrainian politicians — i.e. their own words — because those statements make them look bad. That we, essentially, had picked the wrong quotes. This is a rather peculiar approach to journalism,” commented Simonyan.

    Another episode of The TruthSeeker probed by Ofcom referred to an independent but unofficial investigation into a BBC report about an incendiary weapons attack in Syria. The investigation said the BBC dropped a reference to “napalm” from an interview with a Syrian doctor, leaving only her speculation that a “chemical weapon” had been used. In Ofcom’s view, RT had exaggerated the significance of the inquiry and thus misled the audience.

    Ofcom also closed their investigation into an episode of RT’s interview show SophieCo on immigrant detention centers in the UK and a news broadcast reporting about victims of the Islamic State terrorist group. It found they hadn't breached the watchdog’s code. The rulings mean that all Ofcom investigations into RT programming have now been resolved.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:22 pm

    Once the road and railway line of the Kerch bridge is completed, it will be extremely cheap for Crimeans to obtain various resources, especially construction material and automotives/heavy industrial equipment. If a pipeline from mainland Russia goes to Crimea for both oil and gas, and if they decide to open a petrol plant, basic resources will also be ridiculously cheap as well. Crimeans quality of living will rise while cost of living will drop. Cant wait to see.
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    Post  Regular Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:10 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What?

    Ukrainians - yes. But Poles as a nation were probably the least willing to cooperate during ww2 - it was the only occupied country that did not have it's own volunteer unit in Waffen SS
    Sorry, but that's BS, but let us get back to topic Smile
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    Post  Godric Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:27 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I seen these photos on twitter a couple of days ago of the UAF reportedly using 1910 vintage heavy machineguns

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 30 1912_zps9vevajpd

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910

    close range they are still pretty effective with a decent rate of fire
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:47 pm

    Naturally it should happen.

    http://www.rt.com/business/316106-ukraine-russia-railway-bypass/

    Russia approves railroad to bypass Ukraine

    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has authorized the building of a new railroad between the Voronezh and Rostov regions of Russia bypassing crisis-torn south east Ukraine.

    According to the prime minister, the new rail link will provide safe, stable and independent train travel in Southern Russia, not tied to the Ukrainian crisis.

    The project will also create jobs and boost infrastructure in the region, said Medvedev.

    The new 120 kilometers of double-track electrified railway will relieve the existing railway, of which a stretch of 26 kilometers passes through the war-torn Luhansk region in Ukraine. The idea of creating the bypass has been under consideration for several years. The decision was finalized in 2014 as relations with Kiev deteriorated.

    Building is already underway with 60 percent of the groundwork completed. The new railway is expected to be operational by 2018.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:23 pm

    auslander wrote:On a serious note, we have completed a small task. We have more than a few friends up north whom we have kept in contact with since the beginning of this cluster intercourse last year. One is a young man, young by my aging standards, and his wife. They are childless but she is slightly expectant. Him having a sedentary vocation he is not in the best of physical condition and he is no warrior by any stretch of the imagination.

    While he was not a maidanchik he did support the principles of that mess. Last summer when they had holiday he and I had several spirited discussions on the general subject, this was not long after the war started. They resided nowhere near the area of conflict.

    Since last summer my wife and the lady and I and the young man have communicated often. This past April he communicated that he had his draft notice. He is physically disabled, as in no way he can march, tramp across hill and valley and use an automat, he just can't do it, plus his vocation was what could be called secure and important. Protestations of the disability and vocation fell on deaf ears and he was ordered to report for training. He communicated that fact to us, a plan was hatched and long story short he and his wife were met and brought to safety. They left everything including food in the refrigerator, they arrived with the clothes on their backs.  

    Over the last period of time we have discussed the situation in his previous home region. Please understand that their residence is quite some distance from the war. Here is what they communicated to us.

    Their local hospitals are full of wounded from the fighting that in theory ended some weeks ago. The lady stated quite clearly that wounded are still coming in for treatment after the current cease fire began, ergo the fighting may have abated but has not stopped. Considering the distances between their location and the front lines the Uke casualties are significant to this day. The lady also stated that medical care for civilians has deteriorated dramatically this year, medicines of many types are very hard to find and when found the expense is high. Physician care is difficult to obtain in their city, the city being not small. With the work load of the wounded the doctors have little time for the civilians. She stated that about half of the doctors at the large hospital near their home had left, to where she did not know but she stated that most of the absent doctor's families were also gone. She stated that the same can be said of other medical vocations at that hospital, many have left.

    The workings of City Administration have deteriorated. He stated that the city was never what could be called efficient but in the last year most city services have ceased to operate. Road repairs do not happen with some of the roads becoming impassable to vehicle transit. Utility services are working to a great extent but if something does fail, water, gas, electric, sewer, the repair service times can be long. Prices for utilities have increased dramatically and another increase is expected by the first of October. She stated that even on their salaries it was becoming difficult to balance the increased costs of utilities against the growing food prices. She stated that these combined cost increases have had an appalling effect on the poor and the pensioners. He stated that the nearby heating plant for flats, a large one, ceased to operate in early spring and he states there are no coal supplies for that plant at the time they left. They both stated that the city transit systems are deteriorating rapidly and most of the private small buses have ceased to operate and have disappeared. They both stated that private trucks and cars are often confiscated by both the government and various radical party members for the war effort.

    They both stated that they knew people who had disappeared. She stated that in one instance she witnessed SBU literally kicked in a front door and arrested the wife of a man serving in Donbas. She was taken away and has not been heard from or of since, this incident was in April. Her child was handed to a neighbor who is not a relative. That neighbor has since left and the lady stated she has no idea what happened to the child. After the woman was taken away, she stated that the local Right Sector cadre arrived as SBU left and looted the entire domicile, taking everything right down to household chemicals and clothing and when leaving they broke all the windows in the domicile. An elderly pensioner who protested what they were doing was knocked down and beaten severely enough to require hospital care, which was not available. She stated that the pensioner was cared for by his wife and another pensioner who is a retired nurse. She stated the pensioner has since died, she did not know if his demise was from the beating or age related.

    They both stated that many citizens are in fear. One accusation of separatist sympathies, no matter how innocuous, will bring a visit from Right Sector with almost always an arrest and the subsequent looting of the domicile. They both stated that Militsiya simply stands aside and watches the arrests and looting and often participate in the looting. They both stated that the citizens wonder why there are so many military age men running around with various radical party insignia on their uniforms while the drafts continue, taking every larger numbers of military aged men, and many not so military aged. He stated that the last round of mobilization before he got his notice garnered less than 20% of the men to be mobilized. He stated that those who have money or connections avoid the draft by paying a substantial bribe. Those who have no money leave instantly, to where he does not know.

    In essence the picture they painted of current life in Ukraine was not pretty. The fear in her eyes was palpable when we spoke to them on their arrival. That fear has now disappeared as the couple start a new life, building anew what they abandoned in Ukraine. I have left out a great deal of what they told us, that so there is no possibility of their old location being identified.  



    Thank you for that.

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    Post  whir Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:42 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Naturally it should happen.

    Russia approves railroad to bypass Ukraine
    Not necessarily but it's going to fill some empty pockets for sure and not exactly those of the migrant workers involved in it's construction. The sad part is that that upgrading those 26 kilometers with new concrete railroad ties and a new overhead line would probably cost even more since it requires to double the usual baksheesh Rolling Eyes.
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    Post  auslander Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:52 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Thank you for that.

    My lady, we do what we can. As an aside, I am pleased that you understand the reference to 'the wowah'. Few do in this modern time.
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    Post  par far Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:50 pm

    With the Russian support for Syria, look for the situation in Ukraine to flare up.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:50 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Thank you for that.

    My lady, we do what we can. As an aside, I am pleased that you understand the reference to 'the wowah'. Few do in this modern time.

    We speak a whole 'nother language down South. Very Happy

    from Southern slang, to using Tex Mex words...or mixing Spanish and English..or just using Spanish or Mexican words.
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    Post  medo Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:26 pm

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 30 Els-nm10

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    Post  x_54_u43 Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:47 am

    medo wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 30 Els-nm10

    Laughing jocolor thumbsup

    Obama:" Here, I want this kind of calendar, but only with me."

    Kerry: "Very Well, Mister President."

    Medo, don't mean to offend, but it's not really nice to exclude others from a joke by only posting in Russian, when this is the English Russian forum.

    Above is the translation for the joke.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:35 pm

    close range they are still pretty effective with a decent rate of fire

    Actually at the cost of mobility they can pretty much provide devastating fire for extended periods... keep the water topped up and the belts of ammo coming and they can deny open ground to enemy troops for days.

    If there is a chokepoint in the line of attack or you can position them to the sides of the defence and achieve a fire arc from the sides instead of front on and it is a devastating weapon.

    Its only draw back is lack of mobility, but in terms of performance it is far better than a modern lighter mobile weapon in terms of rate of fire and density of fire.

    Being able to fire enormous amounts of ammo without overheating is a huge advantage and actually makes extended range shots worth it... as you might imagine at longer ranges the bullets spread out a bit, but firing large numbers at a time means those gaps get filled over time so it becomes more effective at greater distances than a MG that is fired in 10 or 20 round bursts.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:36 pm

    Kyiv forces claimed that they have 1915 irrecoverable and 7053 sanitary... although I believe that is a clear underestimation...

    http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/en/news.html?newsID=7500

    GarryB wrote:Its only draw back is lack of mobility, but in terms of performance it is far better than a modern lighter mobile weapon in terms of rate of fire and density of fire.

    Can we mechanized it, some sort of modern tachanka with automobile instead of horses.
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    Post  Godric Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:32 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv forces claimed that they have 1915 irrecoverable and 7053 sanitary... although I believe that is a clear underestimation...

    http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/en/news.html?newsID=7500

    GarryB wrote:Its only draw back is lack of mobility, but in terms of performance it is far better than a modern lighter mobile weapon in terms of rate of fire and density of fire.

    Can we mechanized it, some sort of modern tachanka with automobile instead of horses.

    it would be easy to mount it on say a truck or pick up truck and give it a full 360 degree arc of fire by fixing it on a bull ring and allow the gun to swivel at the same time like the yanks did with their browning machine gun on the M8 armoured car
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:48 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Thank you for that.

    My lady, we do what we can. As an aside, I am pleased that you understand the reference to 'the wowah'. Few do in this modern time.

    We speak a whole 'nother language down South. Very Happy

    from Southern slang, to using Tex Mex words...or mixing Spanish and English..or just using Spanish or Mexican words.
    Is Southern dialect still spoken in the US South?
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    Post  auslander Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:47 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Thank you for that.

    My lady, we do what we can. As an aside, I am pleased that you understand the reference to 'the wowah'. Few do in this modern time.

    We speak a whole 'nother language down South. Very Happy

    from Southern slang, to using Tex Mex words...or mixing Spanish and English..or just using Spanish or Mexican words.
    Is Southern dialect still spoken in the US South?

    Yes. Depends on where you are as to which dialect.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:09 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Thank you for that.

    My lady, we do what we can. As an aside, I am pleased that you understand the reference to 'the wowah'. Few do in this modern time.

    We speak a whole 'nother language down South. Very Happy

    from Southern slang, to using Tex Mex words...or mixing Spanish and English..or just using Spanish or Mexican words.

    Is Southern dialect still spoken in the US South?

    Yes. In Texas, it's always been a Texas accent.

    But my Dad pronounced some words such as "paints" for pants, "aig" for egg, and "bum" for bomb, & those pronunciations came out of Southern East coastal area. Virginia area maybe. It has a certain name, but I can't remember it right now. -- pronunciation passed down from generation to generation.

    and I knew a woman, about my Dad's age, who said "mawning" for morning, and that came out of Mississippi or Alabama.

    Probably not as much as in my Dad's generation.

    I picked up a favorite Mexican slang word: "chingaletta", which was slang for whatever you wanted to call something, if you didn't know the name. . "Hand me that chingaletta." & later realized chinga  is basically like the word f***.  Embarassed
    So I had to drop that one. & I love that word. It just rolls off of the tongue.  Very Happy

    Anglos pick up Mexican words, especially if they're friends with,  date, or marry a Mexican.

    Like one pronounced Ah eey ho, which means something like "Oh shit!"  Very Happy   as best as I remember.

    & others..

    I know I pronounce words like I have a mouth full of molasses. & we drop the last letter on words. goin', leavin', stayin',
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    Post  Regular Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:36 pm


    Video from Ukrainian side. Pretty much shows that artillery is a god of war.
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    Post  Mr.Comrade Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:02 pm

    Video of the most devastating victims of this war, the children. This is a very emotional video
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    Post  SturmGuard Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:24 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Video from Ukrainian side. Pretty much shows that artillery is a god of war.

    Vasilek abuse apparent. These "cyborgs" are several leagues behind terrorists in Syria, or Yemenis, when it comes to ATGM usage, one stationary hit and many misses on a propaganda video. I really like the obvious bad editting and inserts Smile This isn't personal, just commenting on Ukrop "quality" and "heroics".
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    Post  Regular Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:35 pm

    I know, ATGM misses are crazy.. And we don't know if guys getting nailed by arty are seps or Ukrops, could be anyone.. It's propaganda video

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