The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why don't rebels put some AD systems around Donetsk and Gorlovka to shot down these goddamn artillery shells?

Not much is needed - just some stationary AD systems linked to a decent radar and that's all. Rebels were even reproted to be in possession of a Pantsir.

Regular wrote:

12KM from Gorlovka. Ukrainian positions.

JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) wrote:Ukraine: People in east need humanitarian aid
31 JULY 2015

Ukraine: People in east need humanitarian aid


The head of our delegation in Ukraine, Alain Aeschlimann, explains how people affected by the conflict in Donetsk and Lugansk regions are struggling to cope, highlighting the ICRC's neutral independent humanitarian action and the current challenges that we face to help people in need. Continue reading.

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Kiev has definitely developed an effective anti-separatist mechanism. No one uprising in one will be successful. Definitely not the first time this is happening. What I want to see is how well will Kiev be able to respond to multiple uprisings in multiple places.

Each city, each town, each village, each settlement has their own cadre of right sector and/or svoboda thugs. Since the populace is unarmed nothing is going to happen for the near future. Cadre are immediately on the spot of any gathering and/or complaints by the locals and have no inhibitions what so ever about applying violence instantly. For a parallel see Germany 1936.

I've heard that same titushki who were kicking early maidan buts were happily employed back by new "democratic" government. Since Right sector chain loosened a bit and dissident became more apparent. We can see people hitting the streets and showing their anger. Still You have to be very careful as SBU knows their job well. But it's already apparent that Ukraine is a house build of cards.

Flagship Victory wrote:

JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?

JohninMK wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?

Can you give a link that says Russia is supplying the coal free please?

OminousSpudd wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?

Can you give a link that says Russia is supplying the coal free please?

He can't, he's a troll. Only read his posts for amusement.    

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Today in Warsaw, Polish nationalists burned the flag of "the right sector":

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Today in Warsaw, Polish nationalists burned the flag of "the right sector":
*pictures*

Oh look Kurwa Nationalist Idiots, burning the flag of other Geroyam Nationalist Idiots...Fvck I miss the Cold War.

Flagship Victory wrote:Ukraine is a crazy country. I swear to god.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-kyiv-to-develop-road-map-to-provide-crimea-with-status-of-national-territorial-autonomy-within-ukraine-394830.html

JohninMK wrote:KIEV, August 2. /TASS/. Police of Ukraine’s Donetsk region has put on the wanted list 11 ministers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), head of region’s police Vyacheslav Abroskin said on Sunday. (...) Earlier, head of the Donetsk region Paul Zhebrovsky said that part of current supporters of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR) should be amnesties. He also proposed to grant amnesties monthly, but so far this has not happened.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Kiev has definitely developed an effective anti-separatist mechanism. No one uprising in one will be successful. Definitely not the first time this is happening. What I want to see is how well will Kiev be able to respond to multiple uprisings in multiple places.

Each city, each town, each village, each settlement has their own cadre of right sector and/or svoboda thugs. Since the populace is unarmed nothing is going to happen for the near future. Cadre are immediately on the spot of any gathering and/or complaints by the locals and have no inhibitions what so ever about applying violence instantly. For a parallel see Germany 1936.

I've heard that same titushki who were kicking early maidan buts were happily employed back by new "democratic" government. Since Right sector chain loosened a bit and dissident became more apparent. We can see people hitting the streets and showing their anger. Still You have to be very careful as SBU knows their job well. But it's already apparent that Ukraine is a house build of cards.

Zactly maing, Ukraine was a Nation for sale since the Orange revolution, and this because it was utterly and coherently mismanaged. Right sector mythology however doesn't resist to analysis. It didn't become looser, it was split quite coherently by setting up the multiple "battalions" and in mean time propping up the National Guard. It created a phony competition between idiots that ended up with shit stains like Lyashka hurling crap to "legit" RS bydlos while nominally they were on the same poopmobile.

And yeah what makes Ukraine such a calm place is that so far normal Ukrainians out of the ATO zone have two choices live in silence or become "colorados". Don't forget the other side's propaganda, until late i was dismissing it outright, until i met some "colleagues" from Ukraine face to face. They were telling how Russia did this or that, how the economy was being starved and Putin was retaliating and how all this was OTT from Russia etc. I asked them just one question: why had the number of adoption for the "Western World" (tm) from Ukraine exploded since 2005? Why had the number of single moms exploded in Ukraine since 2005? Why generally speaking the Ukrainian economy since 2005 had gone bust and who had held it out of the water for so long? Did you know what they said? Well it's  (FUCKING) NORMAL for Russia to support its brethern. Can you imagine this? Then i asked why the ingratitude? They said, sometimes you have to hardball to have a better future...I asked Dima if he would hardball his wife to have a mistress? What would happen? He said he'd be broke...Well that's it man, you're broke.

Общественное ТВ Донбасса wrote:From Shirokino withdraw troops, - Poroshenko

Громадське Телебачення wrote:Avdiyivka protests against the Armed Forces
July 29 held a rally against Avdiyivka Armed Forces presence in the central square .. vyylo about 4 hundred people. They are protesting against the establishment in the city another checkpoint. The protesters demanded to stop shelling the city and withdraw.

K16 wrote:Opening of the monument to the fallen heroes in Luhansk

Військове телебачення України wrote:ATO headquarters visited the US Ambassador

Sieren's China: Ukraine is China's breadbasket

After more than a year of sanctions against Russia, the Chinese have been increasing their investments in Ukraine. They're having the last laugh, writes DW columnist Frank Sieren.

higurashihougi wrote:Someone from the Far East is coooomiiiing

http://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-ukraine-is-chinas-breadbasket/a-18621316

Sieren's China: Ukraine is China's breadbasket

After more than a year of sanctions against Russia, the Chinese have been increasing their investments in Ukraine. They're having the last laugh, writes DW columnist Frank Sieren.