The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

"Import Fail: Ukraine Replaces Russian Gas With…Russian Gas

Ukraine's gas imports from Europe over the last six months have outpaced Russia's supplies to the country by 3.1 billion cubic meters, according to Ukrtransgaz; however, Kiev's only European energy supplier actually gets their gas from Russia."

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150728/1025144453.html

Werewolf wrote:

You can have good PR and result in unending war and deaths, or you can have bad PR and save lives, but you can't have both

You are trolling or you are really that indoctrinated to believe that Nuking TIGHTLY populated civilian cities in any form way or parallel universe "saving lifes". No one was safed that was only for one purpose to initiate a new ERA where US would demonstrate with actual use of nukes that it is above Soviet Union, those people were genocided for only one purpose muscle flexing. IF i ever hear that argument in REAL Life from anybody i will hit him in the face for this inhumane, absurd and right out hatefilled garbage that can only come from supremacy believing assholes.

I'm sorry but the nukes did save lives in the end. An invasion of Japan would have taken much longer and would have taken a lot more lives on either side and likely caused a lot more destruction throughout Japan. If I was a military commander, I would have nuked Japan in order to convince them to surrender, which they did. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some so more will live.

Allied firebombing was evwn more devastating than nukes.

Russia says do not want to see a long dragged out civil war in Ukraine. And you know what the solution is. Direct Russian military intervention. The PR may suck, but it's the only way out.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russians-fear-conflict-in-ukraine-to-escalate-into-long-civil-war-394480.html

Regular wrote:Allied firebombing was evwn more devastating than nukes.

True but nukes are more scary. Japanese emperor did not understand nuclear power so he thought God must have been on the side of Americans so he surrendered.

Werewolf wrote:

You can have good PR and result in unending war and deaths, or you can have bad PR and save lives, but you can't have both

You are trolling or you are really that indoctrinated to believe that Nuking TIGHTLY populated civilian cities in any form way or parallel universe "saving lifes". No one was safed that was only for one purpose to initiate a new ERA where US would demonstrate with actual use of nukes that it is above Soviet Union, those people were genocided for only one purpose muscle flexing. IF i ever hear that argument in REAL Life from anybody i will hit him in the face for this inhumane, absurd and right out hatefilled garbage that can only come from supremacy believing assholes.

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasted Japanese lives but saved American lives and helped the United States to win the war without high casualties. Japan was the enemy for the United States at the time and Japanese civilians were expendable.

What the United States did was evil and inhuman but cynically it was a success since they won the war and they never faced any repercussions for nuking two big cities. They even got Japan, a nation that they nuked, as a vassal/ally for 70 years and counting.

Flagship Victory wrote:Russia says do not want to see a long dragged out civil war in Ukraine. And you know what the solution is. Direct Russian military intervention. The PR may suck, but it's the only way out.  

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russians-fear-conflict-in-ukraine-to-escalate-into-long-civil-war-394480.html

Russia does not want to see a long civil war but Russia lacks the means to prevent it.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

You can have good PR and result in unending war and deaths, or you can have bad PR and save lives, but you can't have both

You are trolling or you are really that indoctrinated to believe that Nuking TIGHTLY populated civilian cities in any form way or parallel universe "saving lifes". No one was safed that was only for one purpose to initiate a new ERA where US would demonstrate with actual use of nukes that it is above Soviet Union, those people were genocided for only one purpose muscle flexing. IF i ever hear that argument in REAL Life from anybody i will hit him in the face for this inhumane, absurd and right out hatefilled garbage that can only come from supremacy believing assholes.

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasted Japanese lives but saved American lives and helped the United States to win the war without high casualties. Japan was the enemy for the United States at the time and Japanese civilians were expendable.

What the United States did was evil and inhuman but cynically it was a success since they won the war and they never faced any repercussions for nuking two big cities. They even got Japan, a nation that they nuked, as a vassal/ally for 70 years and counting.

American lives of soldiers worth little compared with civilian lifes. Japan was already negotiating capitulation over proxy host the war wouldn't take much longer, there was nothign noble about it, nothing was safed only the face of US and demonstration of military capability. There would be never an invasion of japan and US had no capabilities to do so whatsoever. If nuking Japan is saving lifes then nuking GB,US,Israel and Saudi Arbia is live saving of far more lives and defintley more worthly lifes since those lifes that are taken "exceptionalistic supremacy scum".

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Russia says do not want to see a long dragged out civil war in Ukraine. And you know what the solution is. Direct Russian military intervention. The PR may suck, but it's the only way out.  

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russians-fear-conflict-in-ukraine-to-escalate-into-long-civil-war-394480.html

Russia does not want to see a long civil war but Russia lacks the means to prevent it.

How many died in Crimea? You think Ukrainian soldiers dare to fire at Russian soldiers?

Glanced at Google News and some other MSM septic tanks.

Is it me or is there an uptick of RussiansAreComing/EvilPutin articles lately?

Something is cooking methinks...

Paragraph 11 of this article by "boec_gromov" is interesting. He says that if the operation to liberate Debaltsevo had gone to plan and only taken a few days, rather than the month it actually took, then it is possible that there would have been an offensive against Artemovsk and Konstantinovka, and even a more remote possibility of advancing towards Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. http://boec-gromov.livejournal.com/1629.html. He may of course be indulging in misdirection, but these cities will have to be taken eventually and that Artemovsk needs to be taken or put in a pot before most other places is obvious.

In other news, residents of Enakievo say they can hear tonights "concert" from Gorlovka it is so loud. Earlier today Basurin had stated that ukrops are using "Pion" and showed a shell fragment.

Khepesh wrote:Paragraph 11 of this article by "boec_gromov" is interesting. He says that if the operation to liberate Debaltsevo had gone to plan and only taken a few days, rather than the month it actually took, then it is possible that there would have been an offensive against Artemovsk and Konstantinovka, and even a more remote possibility of advancing towards Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. http://boec-gromov.livejournal.com/1629.html. He may of course be indulging in misdirection, but these cities will have to be taken eventually and that Artemovsk needs to be taken or put in a pot before most other places is obvious.

In other news, residents of Enakievo say they can hear tonights "concert" from Gorlovka it is so loud. Earlier today Basurin had stated that ukrops are using "Pion" and showed a shell fragment.

Does NAF have artillery that have the range to hit Pions?

New vid from Vice News. Good to see Henry Langston again. He's the pro DPR guy whereas Simon Ostrovsky is the pro Maidan guy.

Khepesh wrote:Paragraph 11 of this article by "boec_gromov" is interesting. He says that if the operation to liberate Debaltsevo had gone to plan and only taken a few days, rather than the month it actually took, then it is possible that there would have been an offensive against Artemovsk and Konstantinovka, and even a more remote possibility of advancing towards Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. http://boec-gromov.livejournal.com/1629.html. He may of course be indulging in misdirection, but these cities will have to be taken eventually and that Artemovsk needs to be taken or put in a pot before most other places is obvious.

In other news, residents of Enakievo say they can hear tonights "concert" from Gorlovka it is so loud. Earlier today Basurin had stated that ukrops are using "Pion" and showed a shell fragment.

Eventually all of Donbas will have to be taken, the final borders of Novorossiya will be the borders of Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasti.

The bombardments are steadily increasing, more every day and every night. The mantra in west farce/news is still our boys are doing all the shooting and our boys are shooting at their own cities and towns. The truly frightening thing is there's a good number of people in the west who believe that.

Papa, the west news/guano factory runs in fits and starts. One day it's all celebrities announcing they have switched batting positions, the next is 'The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!'. I look at the sewage treatment plants they call news for comic relief.

Flagship Victory wrote:New vid from Vice News. Good to see Henry Langston again.    He's the pro DPR guy whereas Simon Ostrovsky is the pro Maidan guy.

Lol, there's no Pro-NAF/NR guys within Vice.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lol, there's no Pro-NAF/NR guys within Vice.

Sure there is. Vice is not under US government control.

Flagship Victory wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lol, there's no Pro-NAF/NR guys within Vice.

Sure there is. Vice is not under US government control.

Yes it is. FOX News owns Vice, FOX News is controlled by US government.

Werewolf wrote:Yes it is. FOX News owns Vice, FOX News is controlled by US government.

They don't control Henry Langston

Werewolf wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lol, there's no Pro-NAF/NR guys within Vice.

Sure there is. Vice is not under US government control.

Yes it is. FOX News owns Vice, FOX News is controlled by US government.

Might wanna check up on that. FOX has been the moat anti-government outlet in the US for the last 6 years. US government has 0 control over MSM outlets in the US but all the owners of the US MSM outlets strongly support US foreign policy, no matter who is in control of the US Government.

Flagship Victory wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Yes it is. FOX News owns Vice, FOX News is controlled by US government.

They don't control Henry Langston

Yeah maybe you should actually see his pieces instead of riding his male appendage? This is the same Langston that sold RS guys for students and would have Azov ijits run around spewing propaganda. Vice news has an editorial line. That line is Anti-Russian. It has really nothing to do with US govt. It's a Vice thing. They pretend they give a fuck about "oppressed people" look their coverage of Turkey, Iran, Venezuela, Palestine, Greece etc etc etc.

Why is this so difficult to get, there's no Uber-CIA controlling everything, useful idiots, road companions etc are there for that.

auslander wrote:Eventually all of Donbas will have to be taken, the final borders of Novorossiya will be the borders of Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasti.

Such a war would have to be on the scale of the Syria war. Not sure if Putin has the courage for such a big war in Europe. Time will tell.

Flagship Victory wrote:

auslander wrote:Eventually all of Donbas will have to be taken, the final borders of Novorossiya will be the borders of Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasti.

Such a war would have to be on the scale of the Syria war. Not sure if Putin has the courage for such a big war in Europe. Time will tell.

There's nothing comparable in scale to Syria to get Donbass. Russia is stalling Ukraine's hopes by this, it's a premeditated action to thrash Ukraine's new "leadership", nothing to do with the actual reconquista of Donbass. Given Ukrainian troops are largely known, if Russia would want to restore the borders of Donbass to its rightful ownership the whole operation would take around three months in a "Vale Tudo" scheme (IE all in, no holds barred) from start of the escalation to freezing of conflict and evacuation of PoW's, casualties and civilians.

With about 25K troops and air support this is done, with pain, rather swiftly...but for what goal?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lol, there's no Pro-NAF/NR guys within Vice.

Sure there is. Vice is not under US government control.

Yes it is. FOX News owns Vice, FOX News is controlled by US government.

Might wanna check up on that. FOX has been the moat anti-government outlet in the US for the last 6 years. US government has 0 control over MSM outlets in the US but all the owners of the US MSM outlets strongly support US foreign policy, no matter who is in control of the US Government.

Just wow.... someone who did not get a memo of 21st century.

The entire MSM is controlled, the FOX shit news is only made to appear as "critical" however it uses the lowest forms of reversed psychological warfare to achieve its propaganda agenda set by the govt. Just like BILD in germany with their three Main maxims "FEAR,TITS and Weather prognosses" the same counts for FOX News and the entire branch. That is also the reason why most americans trust fox news and a freakish unbelieveable amount of germans trust BILD which is controlled by US and everyone that enters this crap news signs a little contract same as for all Springer Verlag sub-media outlets.

The contract forbids to ciritize or to report against the interests of the transatlantic bridge and similiar lobbies. It prohibits to critize and show only support for Israel and its "struggles". To fully represent "democracy" and not to go against it. The rejection of any "political totalitarisms" ....which we are already in one called EU as a vassal of US and that journalists have to "protect" the "free" market.

Get educated about MSM and how they are controlled.

Maidan says NAF increased to 80,000

Flagship Victory wrote:

auslander wrote:Eventually all of Donbas will have to be taken, the final borders of Novorossiya will be the borders of Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasti.

Such a war would have to be on the scale of the Syria war. Not sure if Putin has the courage for such a big war in Europe. Time will tell.

If Ukraine stays united and the population of the currently junta-occupied Donbass is not able to revolt then yes, it will take a major, major war to take the whole Donbass. I would guess the casualty figures and destruction of infrastructure would be enormous.

I just hope the junta will collapse but the West is not going to let it happen since the junta is a perfect tool to hurt Russia.