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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:34 pm

    (Roughly) Translation from Vietnamese Sputnik

    http://vn.sputniknews.com/business/20150727/525242.html

    Ukraine sold fertilized soil to Sweden with cheap price

    Sweden plans to buy millions of tons of black soil of Ukraine, "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" quote the info of Swedish Dagens.

    Stockholm plans to buy 50-100 million of tons of black soil. According to Swedish media, they intend to buy black soil from Poltava in Ukraine. The soil will be used at Dalarna in Sweden.

    Sweden did not officially announce the deal because Ukrainian law forbids purchasing of land and only permits lending land for 50 years for agriculture purposes. However, the law does not say anything about soils, therefore there is no forbidden of purchasing fertilized soil. According to Ukrainian media, this loophole has long been exploited and large amount of black soiled has been shipped out of the country.

    According to Land Matrix, agricultural land in Ukraine is in the hand of U.S. enterprises like Monsanto, Cargil and DuPont. Unstable economy of current Ukraine create great opportunities for foreign companies to take parts in such profitable contract.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:25 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan border guards denied shooting at Russian civilians.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-border-guards-say-didnt-shoot-at-russian-citizens-near-border-checkpoint-394380.html

    Thought so. They probably shot themselves. You know, like the people of Donetsk shell themselves on a daily basis.

    The problem is that Russia does not shoot back.

    If Ukrainian border guards were shooting Russian civilians it is an act of war and Russia should shoot back. But Russia never retaliates.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:46 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan border guards denied shooting at Russian civilians.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-border-guards-say-didnt-shoot-at-russian-citizens-near-border-checkpoint-394380.html

    Thought so. They probably shot themselves. You know, like the people of Donetsk shell themselves on a daily basis.

    The problem is that Russia does not shoot back.

    If Ukrainian border guards were shooting Russian civilians it is an act of war and Russia should shoot back. But Russia never retaliates.

    The reason for these incidents is that Kyiv regime wants to tempt Russia to send troops into the regions, and then Western propaganda can say this and that about "Russia aggression".

    By doing nothing, Russia pushes the image of Bad Guy back to Kyiv and its NATO masters.
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    Post  whir Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:49 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The problem is that Russia does not shoot back.

    If Ukrainian border guards were shooting Russian civilians it is an act of war and Russia should shoot back. But Russia never retaliates.
    They're not going to shoot back because border guards around the world have the habit of threatening tourists either by yelling, throwing things and even shooting at them on a daily basis without causing international conflicts simply because tourists are generally not welcomed and no one is usually harmed.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:(...)
    The Tornado special police unit has been accused of committing horrific crimes during its service in Donbass, including murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, looting and racketeering. The group recorded much of their gruesome behavior, including the gang rape of a local man, on video (...)

    That reminds me, the Right Sektor hates gay...
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    Post  whir Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:28 pm

    Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:Шокін запевняє, що в ГПУ готуються позбавляти недоторканності екс-регіоналів
    Shokin claims that the GPU are prepared to deny immunity of former Regions
    Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:11

    Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin intends to ask Parliament to remove the immunity and allow the arrest of a number of MPs who were earlier in the Party of Regions.

    He said at a briefing in Kyiv on Tuesday.

    "Due to the fact that the investigation established individuals from the former deputies of the Party of Regions MPs and is currently preparing a submission to the Verkhovna Rada on lifting their immunity and the arrest," - said the prosecutor general.

    Shokin declined to name names, promising that in his time (when the presentation will be prepared), journalists will learn about everything.
    However, the Attorney General said that the new session of the Supreme Council opens in September and the time will not be made on presentation of the removal of immunity. Continue reading.

    TASS wrote:Authorities in Kiev crack down on political rivals
    Lyudmila ALEXANDROVA July 27, 16:29 UTC+3

    MOSCOW, July 27. /TASS/. Ukraine’s newly-effective ban on Communist participation in forthcoming elections, whatever its ideological disguise, is above all indicative of the authorities’ determination to get rid of political rivals, analysts say. In fact, the Communists are the sole political force that may be considered as genuine opposition to the current authorities in Kiev, and it is noteworthy that the West prefers to turn a blind eye on Kiev’s obviously undemocratic moves, they add.

    Ukraine’s Justice Ministry has stripped the country’s three Communist parties of the right to participate in political processes and elections in accordance with the so-called law on de-communization which the parliament voted for last April. The largest of the three - the Communist Party of Ukraine - enjoys a rather high rating and it looked determined to participate in local elections due on October 25.

    The authorities in Kiev have two aims, head of the general politology department at the Higher School of Economics Leonid Polyakov told TASS. "The general ideological aim is to get rid of the Soviet past. It was declared as one of the tasks of the so-called ‘Revolution of Dignity.’ On the other hand, there is a very practical, down-to-earth purpose. The Communists represent an impressive political force with many supporters. The lower the standard of living falls, the larger the Communist electorate will grow. So this is a preventive measure expected to eradicate political sources of likely instability."
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    Владимир Корнилов's FaceBook wrote:20 hrs
    Ukrainian media are very fond of the program Google Earth to find a dozen other fresh graves unmarked in Russia - such as this should show how bury "Donetsk victims of war." Well, so, too, I take advantage of this program. Here is the pictures of the same area of the Western Cemetery in Odessa - the same one where the unmarked Ukraine buried supposedly "surgical waste". Compare photos in August 2013 and July 2014's. - Hundreds of new graves without headstones and tablets. Say no losses? ...
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    opasnie wrote:Motorola ... ready for war!
    Motorola is preparing every day of his Spartans. At present, Sparta is one of the most highly trained and formidable divisions of New Russia. Gleb Kornilov with his colleagues visited Motorola and found him on the training ground.

    Beauty and the speed in Donetsk ... or try not to fall in love))) (surprise at 5' 10")

    Россия 24 wrote:Under the arches of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra pray in memory of Prince Vladimir
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:32 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan border guards denied shooting at Russian civilians.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-border-guards-say-didnt-shoot-at-russian-citizens-near-border-checkpoint-394380.html

    Thought so. They probably shot themselves. You know, like the people of Donetsk shell themselves on a daily basis.

    The problem is that Russia does not shoot back.

    If Ukrainian border guards were shooting Russian civilians it is an act of war and Russia should shoot back. But Russia never retaliates.

    The reason for these incidents is that Kyiv regime wants to tempt Russia to send troops into the regions, and then Western propaganda can say this and that about "Russia aggression".

    By doing nothing, Russia pushes the image of Bad Guy back to Kyiv and its NATO masters.

    I was not talking about sending troops to Ukraine but retaliating. If Ukrainian border guards shoot at Russian citizens then Russian border guards must shoot those Ukrainian border guards. They have a duty to protect Russian citizens and retaliate when Russian territorial sovereignty is offended.

    I remember a year ago the Ukrainian military was constantly shelling Russian territory (in Rostov?) which resulted to deaths of Russian citizens and destruction of Russian infrastructure. Russia's reaction was not to retaliate but instead withdraw it's border guards away from the border.

    I cannot think of any western nation doing the same. The West always retaliates and tries to get even if it is attacked. Russia never does that.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:06 pm

    Then if you look at Donetsk where there is war every ding dong day. If Russia stops arming NAF, the war would end and there would be no more deaths.

    So are you honestly trying to suggest that the primary reason Kiev is murdering its own people is because it suspects them of receiving weapons and ammo from Russia?

    Pull the other one mate.

    Justification? This is war. I don't know how you Russians fight wars, but here in the west war is fought by shock and awe like what Saudi Arabia did in Yemen until it run short on bombs.

    Yeah... and how has that worked out so far?

    The best solution to people being killed is not killing more people... western governments are idiots.


    This war is crazy. Every day Maidan shells Donetsk. NAF counter fire kills Maidan arti and personnel which promptly gets replaced. The next day the same thing happens. At this rate, this war will go on for centuries. Shocked Is there any plan for an NAF offensive again?

    The Ukrainian economy wont last centuries...

    Nothing unusual, just the beach in Mariupol:

    And it has a sign saying it belongs to me.... it is mine.... Shocked


    I cannot think of any western nation doing the same. The West always retaliates and tries to get even if it is attacked. Russia never does that.

    The west likes to escalate things... Russia just wants the Ukraine to sort its shit out and get back to peace.

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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:33 pm

    woo hoo after nearly a year, OSCE suffers its first casualty  cheers It's about time these useless morons get some of the goodies.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/osce-smm-patrol-leader-hurt-during-shyrokyne-shell-394425.html


    1 Maidan soldier KIA 12 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday after shelling Donetsk and NAF counter fire hit them and destroyed their artillery pieces. They and their artillery gets promptly replaced and tomorrow the same thing will happen and this will go on for hopefully centuries. cheers


    Yanukovych goes to trial in abstentia in crazy Maidan.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/in-absentia-trial-begins-over-yanukovych-and-other-ex-ukrainian-officials-shokin-394428.html
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    Post  whir Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:20 pm

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:23 pm

    Karatelnыy battalion left the Donbass Shyrokyno.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:30 pm

    Ukrainian Destruction in Donbass #2 Pervomaisk Apartment Block

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:45 pm

    at the Donetsk airport. Old and new terminal, where the media could not get there. 24.07

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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:51 pm

    Maidan says 2,300 Maidan soldiers killed in Donbas cheers

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kyiv-says-2300-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-in-donbas-394444.html
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    Post  Ispan Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:23 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan says 2,300 Maidan soldiers killed in Donbas cheers

    Actual figure is about ten times that.

    See a sample, Google maps photo of Odessa military cemetery, before Maidan and after

    In a rough count, there must be more than 3,000 graves there.


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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:34 pm

    Ispan wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan says 2,300 Maidan soldiers killed in Donbas cheers

    Actual figure is about ten times that.

    See a sample, Google maps photo of Odessa military cemetery, before Maidan and after

    In a rough count, there must be more than 3,000 graves there.


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    Amazing comparison. thumbsup It must be full now. Do you have an updated pic of the same cemetery?
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    Post  Ispan Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:43 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:

    Amazing comparison. It must be full now. Do you have an updated pic of the same cemetery?

    No, this was posted today by Enrico Ivanov. It confirms all the number crunching I have done, eyewitness reports and photos and videos from other cemeteries. There are about half a dozen provisional war cemeteries like these around the country, and they are big, hundreds of graves as far as the camera sees.

    Alone is not significant. Adding up all the numbers, it is all too likely the dead exceed 20,000. There at least more than 7,500 unknown dead, and counting.
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    Post  whir Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:36 pm

    Bloomberg wrote:Ukraine War Risks Reigniting as OSCE Warns of Troop Buildup
    by Kateryna ChoursinaAliaksandr Kudrytski July 28, 2015 — 12:41 PM CEST Updated on July 28, 2015 — 2:10 PM CEST

    The battle readiness of Ukraine’s military and the rebels it’s fighting in the country’s east is at its highest level since a February truce, monitors warned, a situation that risks tipping the conflict back into war.

    After more than a year of fighting, sides are fortifying positions and amassing weapons, said Alexander Hug, deputy chief of the Organization for Security and Cooperation’s mission in Ukraine. His comments follow a report Monday that cease-fire violations had reached a daily record. Civilian casualties have also risen.

    There’s “a preparedness of both sides to a degree we haven’t seen before,” Hug told reporters Tuesday in Kiev. Three OSCE monitors have been imperiled in the last three days, jeopardizing the group’s presence in Ukraine, he said.

    One Ukrainian soldier died and 12 were wounded in the past 24 hours, while the separatists used multiple rocket launchers for the first time in five weeks, the military said Tuesday.

    Tensions are building amid a crucial phase for the peace plan, signed in Minsk, Belarus more than five months ago. At stake is the constitutional status of the rebel-held territory in Ukraine’s industrial heartland, near the Russian border, and the election of officials in those regions. The leaders of the nations that sealed the Minsk deal -- Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France -- have spoken twice by phone in the past two weeks. Continue reading.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:46 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:woo hoo after nearly a year, OSCE suffers its first casualty  cheers It's about time these useless morons get some of the goodies.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/osce-smm-patrol-leader-hurt-during-shyrokyne-shell-394425.html


    1 Maidan soldier KIA 12 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday after shelling Donetsk and NAF counter fire hit them and destroyed their artillery pieces. They and their artillery gets promptly replaced and tomorrow the same thing will happen and this will go on for hopefully centuries. cheers


    Yanukovych goes to trial in abstentia in crazy Maidan.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/in-absentia-trial-begins-over-yanukovych-and-other-ex-ukrainian-officials-shokin-394428.html

    Good to know that the NAF is actually shooting back again.
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    Post  BKP Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:54 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    I cannot think of any western nation doing the same. The West always retaliates and tries to get even if it is attacked. Russia never does that.

    The essential characteristics of the West are violence, pillage and shame-incapable hypocrisy. As a leader of the anti-NWO alliance, Russia should not allow itself to be dragged down to the same level as its antagonist. And it's obvious that one of West's key objectives is to destroy the option of an alternative example.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:05 am

    BKP wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    I cannot think of any western nation doing the same. The West always retaliates and tries to get even if it is attacked. Russia never does that.

    The essential characteristics of the West are violence, pillage and shame-incapable hypocrisy.  As a leader of the anti-NWO alliance, Russia should not allow itself to be dragged down to the same level as its antagonist. And it's obvious that one of West's key objectives is to destroy the option of an alternative example.
    So let met ask you a question. What should Russia's response be when it's citizens are shot at by Ukrainian border guards or when Ukrainian military kills Russian citizens in Russia with shelling from Ukraine?


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    Post  Flagship Victory Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:06 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Good to know that the NAF is actually shooting back again.

    NAF only does counter fire. Every day Maidan shells Donetsk, NAF fires back, destroys Maidan artillery and men which gets replaced by new ones the same day, the next day the same thing happens all over again. But this cycle will not end the war, not even after centuries.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:11 am

    Good cop. Bad cop. Russia tries to paint itself as the good guy. By not militarily intervening to end the war in a matter of days, the end result is that the war will drag out and result in tens of thousands of deaths over years. There are always trade offs. The US used nukes to end WW2. Yes it was bad PR, but it ended up saving lives. Russia militarily intervened in Crimea. Yes it was bad PR, but it ended up saving lives.

    You can have good PR and result in unending war and deaths, or you can have bad PR and save lives, but you can't have both. dunno The choice must be made wisely.
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    Post  whir Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:02 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:There are always trade offs. The US used nukes to end WW2. Yes it was bad PR, but it ended up saving lives.
    No, it wasn't and because of that it had to be justified as an act of wisdom to save countless lives, that in any case it wasn't.
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:07 am

    You can have good PR and result in unending war and deaths, or you can have bad PR and save lives, but you can't have both

    You are trolling or you are really that indoctrinated to believe that Nuking TIGHTLY populated civilian cities in any form way or parallel universe "saving lifes". No one was safed that was only for one purpose to initiate a new ERA where US would demonstrate with actual use of nukes that it is above Soviet Union, those people were genocided for only one purpose muscle flexing. IF i ever hear that argument in REAL Life from anybody i will hit him in the face for this inhumane, absurd and right out hatefilled garbage that can only come from supremacy believing assholes.

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