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    Post  Guest on Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:28 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Poroshenko's brain farts continue: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201507252342-ygx7.htm

    Sometimes you just shake your head in wonderment. Lemme see here, Rostov na Danau. I think he stands a pretty good chance of getting there and I for one urge him to seize the moment and attack immediately.  
    Definitely. Push through the DNR defenses around Telmanovo and go surround Rostov. It be a quick way to end the war because of the following response from the Russian Military. No need to send in only forces small enough to conceal their presence, but everything can be used especially the Russian Air Force. Thanks to the intensive modernization of the Russian military, the Ukrops will not even last as long as the Georgians 7 years ago.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:28 am

    OMG he keeps saying it, this time with dates. He must really mean it now Rolling Eyes

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that Ukraine will sign an agreement to withdraw weapons less than 100-mm in caliber from the line of contact in Donbass by August.

    KIEV (Sputnik) – An agreement to withdraw weapons less than 100-mm in caliber from the line of contact in southeast Ukraine will be signed by August 3 and implemented within 10 days, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Saturday. “We have established a very hard term to sign this agreement by August 3 at the latest,” Poroshenko said in an interview with STB television on the subject of the latest phone conversation with leaders of the so-called Normandy quartet. “Then, we will have 10 days in order to implement it,” the Ukrainian head of state added.

    Poroshenko spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande late on Thursday.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150725/1025048732.html#ixzz3gwdqD2FP
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:48 am

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    Werewolf wrote:That is not antisemitism since those jews are Khazar jews and under the fact that those scum Zionazi jews like Porky and Jezenjewk are using nazis for US behalf yes this scum should be shot on sight, war criminals waging war just like zionazis through out history always were opportunists and used and abused radicals with similiar supremacy garbage believes, but you as a jew victimize yourselfs and let me guess you are white?

    You're asking me if I'm "white"?

    My Paternal ancestors originally were Viking (Norse), and my Maternal original ancestors came from the Iberian Peninsula, and yes I have Jewish dna, but not religion. My Jewish ancestry is on my Maternal side: Moroccan, Sephardic, and Ashkenazic, & one thing I am not is anybody's victim and not a "self-victimizer". I am of a lot of ethnicitiies.  What does that have to do with anything?  

    A shit you have... ther eis no DNA of a religion maybe of mental illness to believe in supremacy but not a DNA for religion. You are caucasian with a Caucasian DNA but appareantly not all jews can distinguish their own lies from actual facts. Fuck it i declare my own ethnicity if jews can spew garbage...ethnicity with blackjack and hookers.

    I have some Caucasian DNA, but not much. Otherwise, think what you want. You don't hurt my feelings, you don't make me angry. What you've said just makes me laugh.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:49 am

    auslander wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Kiev closed Ukraine for the French MPs who have visited Crimea. Let's see how the French government likes that.

    I doubt France will say a word.

    Speaking of France, I was told that our boys are beginning to take our equipment out of the Sevastopol and the Vladivostok. Methinks this means France is ready to write the check.
    Spot on but not quite yet by the sound of it.

    MOSCOW, July 25. /TASS/. Russia has started forming a group of specialists to go to France to dismantle communications equipment from the Mistral helicopter carriers, a source in the Russian defense and industrial sector said on Saturday. "This task has been formulated and now a group of specialists is being formed to go to France to dismantle the control and communications equipment aboard the Mistrals delivered by Russia," the source said.

    This equipment is universal and can be used aboard other Russian Navy ships, the source said.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:55 am

    Think the phrase 'cash up front please' might well be used here. As the old saying goes 'cash never offends' especially when dealing with a huge credit risk.

    KIEV, July 24. /TASS/. Ukraine asked Belarus to review the possibility of gas transit from the Baltic States to Ukraine, the head of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry department of European integration, Michael Bno-Ayriyan, wrote on his Twitter page Friday. According to him, the clause is a part of the protocol of the 23rd meeting of the intergovernmental Ukrainian-Belarusian commission on trade and economic cooperation.

    "We included our desire to transit gas through the territory of Belarus from the Baltic States - Klaipeda LNG [Lithuania - TASS]," he said. At the same time Bno-Ayriyan admitted the difficulties of the project implementation, as the LNG plants in Belarus belong to Gazprom. "But we still reached out to our Belarusian friends with a request to review such possibility," he added.
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    Post  Erk on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:19 am

    JohninMK wrote:Think the phrase 'cash up front please' might well be used here. As the old saying goes 'cash never offends' especially when dealing with a huge credit risk.

    KIEV, July 24. /TASS/. Ukraine asked Belarus to review the possibility of gas transit from the Baltic States to Ukraine, the head of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry department of European integration, Michael Bno-Ayriyan, wrote on his Twitter page Friday. According to him, the clause is a part of the protocol of the 23rd meeting of the intergovernmental Ukrainian-Belarusian commission on trade and economic cooperation.

    "We included our desire to transit gas through the territory of Belarus from the Baltic States - Klaipeda LNG [Lithuania - TASS]," he said. At the same time Bno-Ayriyan admitted the difficulties of the project implementation, as the LNG plants in Belarus belong to Gazprom. "But we still reached out to our Belarusian friends with a request to review such possibility," he added.

    That's seems rather silly, where do the Baltic states get their gas from but Russia with direct pipes that don't go thought Ukraine. Sounds like Kiev searching for methods to get gas on credit.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:28 am

    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Think the phrase 'cash up front please' might well be used here. As the old saying goes 'cash never offends' especially when dealing with a huge credit risk.

    KIEV, July 24. /TASS/. Ukraine asked Belarus to review the possibility of gas transit from the Baltic States to Ukraine, the head of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry department of European integration, Michael Bno-Ayriyan, wrote on his Twitter page Friday. According to him, the clause is a part of the protocol of the 23rd meeting of the intergovernmental Ukrainian-Belarusian commission on trade and economic cooperation.

    "We included our desire to transit gas through the territory of Belarus from the Baltic States - Klaipeda LNG [Lithuania - TASS]," he said. At the same time Bno-Ayriyan admitted the difficulties of the project implementation, as the LNG plants in Belarus belong to Gazprom. "But we still reached out to our Belarusian friends with a request to review such possibility," he added.

    That's seems rather silly, where do the Baltic states get their gas from but Russia with direct pipes that don't go thought Ukraine. Sounds like Kiev searching for methods to get gas on credit.


    Actually the idea is to tap on the Baltics LNG hub. The Baltics themselves can't use the Liberty Hub, in Lithuania fully (up to 40% capacity for all three) so for Ukraine and the Baltics it would make sense to have LNG and be "safe from Russia". Until the gas bill sinks in of course.

    Here: http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/experts-there-will-be-more-lng-terminals-baltic-sea-if-it-pays-314603

    Ukraine bankrupting itself for political brown points. This looks like Arab countries of the 60's and 70's/ Great way to rebuild a country.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:33 am

    This LNG talk is for retards. Qatar can't supply the world with arbitrary amounts and the USA talks a lot but
    does very little in terms of LNG. The USA also can't have its cake and eat it too given all the big plans it has
    for its domestically produced natural gas. For example, it is in the middle of a massive conversion from coal
    to gas electrical power generation. It also intends to power road transport with natural gas.

    Anyway, Gazporm needs to regear to other markets ASAP. These congenital Russia haters need zero charity
    from Russia.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:37 am

    kvs wrote:This LNG talk is for retards.   Qatar can't supply the world with arbitrary amounts and the USA talks a lot but
    does very little in terms of LNG.   The USA also can't have its cake and eat it too given all the big plans it has
    for its domestically produced natural gas.   For example, it is in the middle of a massive conversion from coal
    to gas electrical power generation.   It also intends to power road transport with natural gas.  

    Anyway, Gazporm needs to regear to other markets ASAP.   These congenital Russia haters need zero charity
    from Russia.

    LNG isn't for retards. It's for sheeple when Europe is concerned. But that's what the EU is becoming. So yeah...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:48 am

    kvs wrote:This LNG talk is for retards.   Qatar can't supply the world with arbitrary amounts and the USA talks a lot but
    does very little in terms of LNG.   The USA also can't have its cake and eat it too given all the big plans it has
    for its domestically produced natural gas.   For example, it is in the middle of a massive conversion from coal
    to gas electrical power generation.   It also intends to power road transport with natural gas.  

    Anyway, Gazporm needs to regear to other markets ASAP.   These congenital Russia haters need zero charity
    from Russia.

    +1 especially last sentence thumbsup
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:59 am


    Boeing to snuff out Ukraines space industry with $356 million lawsuit.


    Part of channel(s): Ukraine (current event)

    Pivdenmash (Yuzhmash), the Ukrainian Dnipropetrovsk industrial giant, one of the World leaders in space and missile industry during Soviet times is on the verge of bankruptcy. In August 2015, all accounts of Pivdenmash could be frozen. If this happens, this means no orders or contracts, not a single hope for survival, Ukrainian TV Channel ‘Inter’ reports.

    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c81_1437856008#1Vv5zeusi2JuBjT6.99


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    Post  Regular on Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:04 am

    Russia needs customers. No matter if they are hostile or not if they are paying to Gazprom on time then why not. Russia doesn't give charity to anyone, where are You guys are pulling this from?
    And LNG became a headache for Lithuania as now Lithuania is equaly dependant on Hoegh LNG and Gazprom. Pretty pathetic
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:09 am

    Kerry’s next challenge

    The nuclear agreement with Iran provides ample proof of Secretary of State John F. Kerry’s remarkable commitment and skill in waging diplomacy. In an era when the Pentagon dominates our foreign policy and military options are too often trotted out as first responses, he has resuscitated the United States’ power to lead, pressure and negotiate, a capacity too often denigrated as “soft power.”

    No good deed goes unpunished. His reward for this is not only a pitched battle at home with hawks in both parties intent on torpedoing the Iran deal, but also what will be an even fiercer struggle with higher stakes: fending off those intent on escalating a face-off with Russia over Ukraine into a new Cold War. Once more, Kerry must preserve our real security interests from those recklessly brandishing America’s military prowess.

    read more at link

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kerrys-next-challenge/2015/07/21/e2d3215c-2f10-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:26 am

    Regular wrote:Russia needs customers. No matter if they are hostile or not if they are paying to Gazprom on time then why not. Russia doesn't give charity to anyone, where are You guys are pulling this from?
    And LNG became a headache for Lithuania as now Lithuania is equaly dependant on Hoegh LNG and Gazprom. Pretty pathetic

    I upvoted you, because you got this right.

    1. Yes, Russia needs to sell.
    2. Yes, the LNG was a fiasco as soon as the Hydrocarbon prices tanked. This is typical of the 60's Arab states. You sell milk stations to Egypt. Your farmer get subsidies to lower their prices. Lower prices kill the local producers, win/win...

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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:00 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Regular wrote:Russia needs customers. No matter if they are hostile or not if they are paying to Gazprom on time then why not. Russia doesn't give charity to anyone, where are You guys are pulling this from?
    And LNG became a headache for Lithuania as now Lithuania is equaly dependant on Hoegh LNG and Gazprom. Pretty pathetic

    I upvoted you, because you got this right.

    1. Yes, Russia needs to sell.
    2. Yes, the LNG was a fiasco as soon as the Hydrocarbon prices tanked. This is typical of the 60's Arab states. You sell milk stations to Egypt. Your farmer get subsidies to lower their prices. Lower prices kill the local producers, win/win...


    1) Russia can get $56 billion (what it gets for its total gas exports) per year from other markets and it actually only needs about $20 billion by keeping supplies
    to parts of EU where sane people live. So Nordstream II should be enough. Let Germany supply eastern and south-eastern parts of the EU.

    2) There is not enough LNG capacity including port facilities to replace Russian gas supplies to the EU.

    3) It is not possible to have normal business relations with lunatics who scream about Russian gas blackmail every day of the year.
    This point is lost on some posters here. The EU and in particular its lunatic "new" part tries to turn business into war on Russia.
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    Post  Erk on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:12 am

    kvs wrote:This LNG talk is for retards.   Qatar can't supply the world with arbitrary amounts and the USA talks a lot but
    does very little in terms of LNG.   The USA also can't have its cake and eat it too given all the big plans it has
    for its domestically produced natural gas.   For example, it is in the middle of a massive conversion from coal
    to gas electrical power generation.   It also intends to power road transport with natural gas.  

    Anyway, Gazporm needs to regear to other markets ASAP.   These congenital Russia haters need zero charity
    from Russia.

    LNG costs way more than overland piped natural gas to freight. It's a desperate alternative.

    However Russia long term (after the new pipelines are built) doesn't need the Baltic states or Ukraine as gas customers, the massive Asian market, and the other less hostile EU states will do fine to keep the gas revenue flowing.
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:30 am

    1 Maidan soldier WIA yesterday. 3 Maidan soldiers killed and 4 Maidan soldiers wounded by themselves. cheers The casualty is piling up, boys!
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:35 am

    Maidan seeks to westernize its military.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2015/07/25/-war-ukraine-military--modernize-past-soviet-era/30625241/
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:45 am

    NAF said to be 34,000 in manpower.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1102176-russia-orchestrated-militants-in-donbas-amount-to-34000-defense-ministry.html


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    Post  franco on Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:07 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:NAF said to be 34,000 in manpower.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1102176-russia-orchestrated-militants-in-donbas-amount-to-34000-defense-ministry.html


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    The Ukrainians claim that they face a force of 33,400 NAF supported by 9,000 Russian soldiers in the Donbas. And there is a separate thread on this.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:21 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:NAF said to be 34,000 in manpower.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1102176-russia-orchestrated-militants-in-donbas-amount-to-34000-defense-ministry.html


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    NAF definitely looking and acting more and more like a professional fighting force with each passing day. They have definitely made a lot of ground on bringing up the quality of their soldiers. Voentorg has definitely been busy. Still there is work that needs to be done. However, it would have been hard to tell some of these guys apart from the Russian Army a decade ago.

    Thanks for posting some quality content on here Flagship. You derserve my +1. Bet it feels good no longer being the public enemy number one here anymore. Wink
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    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:14 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Poroshenko's brain farts continue: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201507252342-ygx7.htm

    Sometimes you just shake your head in wonderment. Lemme see here, Rostov na Danau. I think he stands a pretty good chance of getting there and I for one urge him to seize the moment and attack immediately.  
    Definitely. Push through the DNR defenses around Telmanovo and go surround Rostov. It be a quick way to end the war because of the following response from the Russian Military. No need to send in only forces small enough to conceal their presence, but everything can be used especially the Russian Air Force. Thanks to the intensive modernization of the Russian military, the Ukrops will not even last as long as the Georgians 7 years ago.

    Yup, it would be an interesting popcorn event. Like Sabakasilly, Orcland would hear that famous phrase, 'Squeal like a pig, boy' with a banjo playing to set the mood.



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    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:25 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    NAF definitely looking and acting more and more like a professional fighting force with each passing day. They have definitely made a lot of ground on bringing up the quality of their soldiers. Voentorg has definitely been busy. Still there is work that needs to be done. However, it would have been hard to tell some of these guys apart from the Russian Army a decade ago.

    Thanks for posting some quality content on here Flagship. You derserve my +1. Bet it feels good no longer being the public enemy number one here anymore. Wink

    I'll keep an eye on him, mayhap he can redeem himself in my eyes. If so I'll take him off the ignore list.

    We have opportunity to speak to some of the wounded sent here for treatment and some of our boys come home for R&R when events allow, and I must admit there has been quite the change in the soldiers this year. I am very impressed with them, not only in their advanced skills in warcraft but their general demeanor has changed, subtle but a change. Professional is the word for most. We had an event a week ago this past Friday and our boys did their duty as well as the Desantniki involved. I would say Novorossiya now has a proper professional, and all volunteer, Army.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:08 am

    http://ria.ru/world/20150726/1147956417.html

    lol

    so the Ukrainians are claiming they arrested a "Russian officer" smuggling ammunition INTO Russia from Donetsk.

    Can't make this sh!t up anymore.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:05 am

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    NAF definitely looking and acting more and more like a professional fighting force with each passing day. They have definitely made a lot of ground on bringing up the quality of their soldiers. Voentorg has definitely been busy. Still there is work that needs to be done. However, it would have been hard to tell some of these guys apart from the Russian Army a decade ago.

    Thanks for posting some quality content on here Flagship. You derserve my +1. Bet it feels good no longer being the public enemy number one here anymore. Wink

    I'll keep an eye on him, mayhap he can redeem himself in my eyes. If so I'll take him off the ignore list.

    We have opportunity to speak to some of the wounded sent here for treatment and some of our boys come home for R&R when events allow, and I must admit there has been quite the change in the soldiers this year. I am very impressed with them, not only in their advanced skills in warcraft but their general demeanor has changed, subtle but a change. Professional is the word for most. We had an event  a week ago this past Friday and our boys did their duty as well as the Desantniki involved. I would say Novorossiya now has a proper professional, and all volunteer, Army.
    Usually as soon as Flagship stops post news is when he goes full retard. Just an observation.

    Pretty interesting observation of the NAF there that none of us really have the opportunity to make Auslander. I know enough about the current Russian Military myself through serving relatives and some exposure to say they are some of the best soldiers out there. On par with the US, which despite its sh!tty politicians has a very well trained military filled with great people. Seeing that you can compare them to the Russian Military is high praise indeed.

    Incidentally. there is a quote that a legendary American Civil War Confederate general named Stonewall Jackson. For those unfamiliar with American history, the situation that the Confederates were in had a lot of ideological parallels with the Novorossiyan Rebels today. Jackson said, "The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth."

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