The Situation in the Ukraine. #17

Akula971 wrote:Things that might have been overlooked

sepheronx wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Very heavy ukrops bombardment from Avdeevka taking place, so loud that it can be heard in Gorlovka, who still wait for the usual evening grim serenade of death....

Residents of Makeevka say it's very loud to them and not only from direction of airport and Kievsky, which is already reported, but from Yasinovataya. No reports from Yasinovataya yet.

From Putilovka they say that the bombardment of them has been continuous for twenty minutes. Usually these bombardments are of not like artillery bombardment before an attack, but a few shells land, or sometimes a volley from an entire battery, then silence for a little while before some more. So continuous is unusual.

I dont understand the PUkrainians objective. Attack and hoping to be attacked by rebels? Why? Especially when they have their so called freedom loving maidainauts from RS and other nazibrigades, protesting and having fun loving shootouts in Transcarpathia. In hopes to unites the people and nazis again against the NaF?

Stupid.

auslander wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Very heavy ukrops bombardment from Avdeevka taking place, so loud that it can be heard in Gorlovka, who still wait for the usual evening grim serenade of death....

Residents of Makeevka say it's very loud to them and not only from direction of airport and Kievsky, which is already reported, but from Yasinovataya. No reports from Yasinovataya yet.

From Putilovka they say that the bombardment of them has been continuous for twenty minutes. Usually these bombardments are of not like artillery bombardment before an attack, but a few shells land, or sometimes a volley from an entire battery, then silence for a little while before some more. So continuous is unusual.

The storm clouds gather, as do the clans. We are ready but they, not we, must attack.

sepheronx wrote:.......................................

I dont understand the PUkrainians objective. Attack and hoping to be attacked by rebels? Why? Especially when they have their so called freedom loving maidainauts from RS and other nazibrigades, protesting and having fun loving shootouts in Transcarpathia. In hopes to unites the people and nazis again against the NaF?

Stupid.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:It was option back then but someone decided to put petty politics and personal interest above law and justice and to pussyfoot around a very dangerous problem.

Cutting off Ukraine was not an acceptable option in the 1990s and 2000s. The strategic dependency on Ukraine was too large.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Same thing happened in former Yugoslavia after WWII with same results.

What exactly did the Yugoslavs wrong?

whir wrote:

Akula971 wrote:Things that might have been overlooked

You're missing the most important one, Kiev fuelled the paranoia among their troops to unavailable levels stating one thing and the opposite on a daily basics with all kinds of stories competing in surrealism.

This gives an idea of the chaotic situation on the battlefield with populations changing hands several times in a row or troops getting lost by the absence of a clear frontline that was only marked by random skirmishes.

Without first hand accounts or field reports from either side it's near impossible to know what happened accurately.

JohninMK wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Very heavy ukrops bombardment from Avdeevka taking place, so loud that it can be heard in Gorlovka, who still wait for the usual evening grim serenade of death....

Residents of Makeevka say it's very loud to them and not only from direction of airport and Kievsky, which is already reported, but from Yasinovataya. No reports from Yasinovataya yet.

From Putilovka they say that the bombardment of them has been continuous for twenty minutes. Usually these bombardments are of not like artillery bombardment before an attack, but a few shells land, or sometimes a volley from an entire battery, then silence for a little while before some more. So continuous is unusual.

I dont understand the PUkrainians objective. Attack and hoping to be attacked by rebels? Why? Especially when they have their so called freedom loving maidainauts from RS and other nazibrigades, protesting and having fun loving shootouts in Transcarpathia. In hopes to unites the people and nazis again against the NaF?

Stupid.

Not stupid, they are intentionally destroying infrastructure and displacing the population. Also one suspects that it is to give the troops at the front something to do, to keep them and the logistics tail active, rather than have them sitting round getting bored and a suntan. Anyway, nothing many young lads like doing more than a bit of vandalism.

Sputnik wrote:Most Corrupt US Agency to Go to Ukraine to Help Kiev Fight Corruption
EUROPE 21:22 16.07.2015

Representatives from the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Agency will go to Ukraine for an exchange program to share their experience with Ukrainian colleagues, news portal Ruposters.ru reported, citing Roman Nasirov, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Taxation and Customs Policy.

The US delegation is expected to share their knowledge and technical expertise with Ukrainian Customs officers.

"We agreed that over the next two months US customs officers will arrive and work in Kiev and Odessa customs offices and share their experience," Nasirov said, as quoted by the source.

The Ukrainian parliament is trying to combat large scale corruption in the country. Last year, Ukraine was ranked 142nd (tied with Uganda and the Comoros Islands) on the list of the most corrupt countries in the world, conducted by Transparency International (TI). Corruption exists in many spheres of Ukrainian public services, but the most corrupt are the legal system, the police and the health services, as well as the parliament itself, according to TI. Continue reading.

Regular wrote:Breaking news, it was revealed that MH-17 was taken down by Praviy Sektor suicide bomber abroad the plane
Haha, seriously any news about the investigation? There is a video of seps digging through seps, but I seem not to find it. Does it incriminate anyone? Shit way to die, but if You die You won't really need an iphone anymore, so boo hoo

whir wrote:

whir wrote:

whir wrote:

Regular wrote:Breaking news, it was revealed that MH-17 was taken down by Praviy Sektor suicide bomber abroad the plane
Haha, seriously any news about the investigation? There is a video of seps digging through seps, but I seem not to find it. Does it incriminate anyone? Shit way to die, but if You die You won't really need an iPhone anymore, so boo hoo, it's war, people need stuff from clothes to electronics.

News AU wrote:Never-before-seen footage reveals Russian-backed rebels arriving at the wreckage of MH17
7 HOURS AGO JULY 17, 2015 12:01AM

EXCLUSIVE

USSIAN-backed rebels in Ukraine’s east believed they had shot down a Ukraine Airforce fighter jet as disturbing new footage shows them ransacking the luggage of passengers and crew from Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17.

A year ago today, 298 passengers and crew including 38 Australian citizens and residents died aboard the Kuala Lumpur bound commercial flight after it was shot down over east Ukraine, 40km from the Russian border. Continue reading.

whir wrote:

2SPOOKY4U wrote:was this taken off of Novorussian social media?

JohninMK wrote:The same guy, first in July 2014 second in July 2015, aged a bit?

Flagship Victory wrote:What guns are these?

whir wrote:
VSSK
SV-98
SR-3M
and VSSK

whir wrote:

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PapaDragon wrote:Freakin' Chinese Army has to go on waiting list to get those monsters...

This is clear proof that Russia refuses to supply NAF... Flagship Haushofer has been vindicated  

whir wrote:

JohninMK wrote:The same guy, first in July 2014 second in July 2015, aged a bit?

I don't think so, look at the mattresses over the right side and the dirt marks on the floor, they are identical.

whir wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Has anyone seen about strelkov being sued by the families of people who died on mh17 for 900 million?

So none of the investigations have been finished yet and they already know who to sue? And what about the ukrainian government/the airline for allowing flights over an area where planes were shot down on a daily basis at this time?

I don't blame the families, they just want justice, my problem is with the people who have guided them and the system which has allowed this.

This has happened in Chicago where someone sued Iran over Hamas bombing and won. Probably those relatives have been advised to follow the example hoping to receive some kind of compensation in the future but this is hardly a case for universal jurisdiction.

If someone has not read it:

The Telegraph wrote:MH17: Russian separatist leader sued for $900 million by crash victims
By David Millward, US Correspondent2:00AM BST 16 Jul 2015

Exclusive: Igor Girkin formally accused of orchestrating the shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines flight in east Ukraine

Igor Girkin, the leader of Russian separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, was on Wednesday formally accused of orchestrating the shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines flight, MH17, in July last year.

A writ filed in Chicago also alleges that Mr Girkin was acting with the blessing of the Kremlin when his forces fired at the Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

The case has been brought on behalf of the families of 18 of the passengers on board the aircraft, including six Britons.
They are claiming a total of $900 million (£575 million).

In all 298 people died when a missile was fired at the aircraft as it flew over eastern Ukraine. Continue reading.