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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #17

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:52 pm

    They don't have to. Just do some coup in Kyev or threaten to withdraw from ATO altogether. They have a lot supporters in the Ukrainian army, police etc. and among Western Ukrainians.

    I think, Right Sector in power would not be bad for Novorussia. They would ruin the country even more - AND EU support will not last forever. Tghe Poles already realized what's going on and Polish president refused to meet with Poroshenko. RS does not even pretend to be European, they're Nazis and they don't hide it.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:53 pm

    I think you are dreaming too much. There will not be any withdrawal of Right Sector from ATO. It will not be allowed by the West and the West calls the shots in Ukraine now.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:54 pm

    Perhaps an appropriate moment to post the latest video of VSN tank battalion "Diesel"
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    Post  whir Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Won't the logistics be impossible? From east to west is a long way and they will need transports, food and fuel, unless they 'requisition' it as they travel.

    The reserve battalions are likely to leave a trail of devastation as well.
    They have all the needed hardware and supplies laying around the front lines so they just have to take what they're missing (I don't think many conscripts and their officers are willing to actively oppose them).

    Those reserves probably are criminal elements so they probably don't lack many things since they have access to weapons and protective gear from donations.

    What could be an unintended advantage for them is the law that allows to requisite private vehicles.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:58 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:I think you are dreaming too much. There will not be any withdrawal of Right Sector from ATO. It will not be allowed by the West and the West calls the shots in Ukraine now.
    With RS you have the same problem you have in Syria/Libya-  you have groups whom you arm and finance but actually have little control over because their loyalty lies somewhere else. By creating the National Guard UKR government created it's own potential enemy.

    And "West" is not a monolithic entity - few European politicians share the US drive for war with Russia. ATO iis over a year old and so far is going nowhere - how long can they finance an entity that is unable to reclaim a piece of terrain of the size of Belgium?
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:07 pm

    I want to repeat the words of Zakharchenko from a few weeks back.

    "I believe in Novorossiya, I believe it will come to exist. I know that it will most likely be created very quickly. Some opponents and enemies do not expect it to happen so quickly, but it will happen anyway. Soon we will see"
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:09 pm

    WE will see or we will not see.

    I also want to see Novorussia with Kharkov, Zaporozhe, Odessa etc. but this war has made me more and more sceptical.
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    Post  auslander Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:12 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Some further news, and this is all from what pravy sektor themselves are saying. The two front battalions, "Azov" and "Donbass" are said to withdraw and under radio silence, and a threat issued that pravy sektor will deploy the reserves battalions, about 18 or 19, to wherever they are needed. I would presume that these reserve battalions, if that many really exist, will be total useless scum.

    I don't even want to repeat anything about this that appears on the Novorossiya supporting networks other than to say it is euphoric, and perhaps far too much so and there may be a headache tomorrow, but this is the moment, lets enjoy, cheer, wave the sabre and charge while the sun shines The Situation in the Ukraine. #17 - Page 16 4290d2ac7d79

    I and my lass have been actively trying to tamp down the euphoria springing up here and there. I will say the same thing here that we said there, in between various Sevastopol and Krimu forums going down because of so many users on line: when the orc army withdraws from Novorossiya territory to run west to carve out their own little pieces of what was Orcland, then you can celebrate. Until then the bombardments continue, we are still losing civilians and soldiers every day in Novorossiya, our hospitals are still full of wounded, the tragedy of war continues.

    If in a week the ukes are fighting among themselves then I will cheer them on heartily. Until then all we have is empty, for the moment, threats from the right sector thugs. As far as the 'reserve' battalions are concerned, all rs has is the mobile cadre of nasty youngsters with some cadre of Black Shirts who were part of the traveling road show from last year, as in Odessa and Kharkov, and their small cadres of operatives in all major and minor cities. There's maybe 2500 of them if that, and that total includes those nasty little girls who seem to be always around making Molotovs. When they come up against armed opponents they will melt away like a pat of butter in the hot July sun.
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    Post  whir Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:19 pm

    This has appeared on Twitter just now:
    2 members of the shooting in Mukachevo surrendered


    Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:«Правий сектор» вийшов із зони АТО – комбат «Чорний»
    "Right Sector" out of area ATU - Combat "Black"
    Sunday, July 12, 2015

    Soldiers' right sector "left their positions in the area of counter-terrorist operation in the Donetsk region.

    This Public commander reported five separate battalion "PS" "Black."

    According to him, they left positions by order of the head "PS" Dmitry Yarosh. At the same time, the reasons for such an order the soldiers not reported. Continue reading.

    News-Front wrote:Pervomaisk residents suffering massive attacks, because they are ashamed to leave his native land
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    Post  BKP Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:22 pm

    Regular wrote:
    whir wrote:
    Типичный Киев wrote:Our police have cares. Six police for 6 minutes per person to be detained.

    Алексей Карангин via YouTube comments wrote:The courage and consummate professionalism 4 !!!!! Kiev police seizure of spoons from the homeless deserves respect. Guys, how much you would have to, if he had a knife?
    Fuck sake I see those motherfuckers were trained in USA

    Not much have changed, but uniforms

    Actually, I can't understand what they're saying, but I still think this looks like a better performance than a lot US cops would give. Of course, they're aware that they're being videoed. In the US, there's a very, very good chance they would've just shot that guy, or beat him severely. Much more so if there were no cameras around. It happens here all the time, and the cops can almost always can count on getting away with it.

    In a city half an hour up the highway from where I live, a group of cops beat a homeless man to death because he had given them some attitude. The whole thing was caught on a security camera the cops weren't aware of. The homeless guy had no chance. He wasn't even fighting back, and was begging and pleading with them to stop. Before the fatal attack commenced, one of the cops told the guy he was going to beat the living shit out of him as he threateningly slipped on a pair rubber gloves.

    Despite being caught red handed by the security footage, the cops got off on the criminal charges. Later, after the 2nd trial (called "civil" - family sued, basically), I think some of them were let go from the force. That's it. Like I said, this happens all here all the time. In these types of cases, I think they must pre-screen during grand jury selection for the type of people who will side with authority no matter the circumstances, and that's why they feel free to do it again and again.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:44 pm

    auslander wrote:

    I and my lass have been actively trying to tamp down the euphoria springing up here and there. I will say the same thing here that we said there, in between various Sevastopol and Krimu forums going down because of so many users on line: 
    Blame Rozhin for the local euphoria, look at his latest blog entry. Oi!
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2282090.html
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    Post  BKP Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:54 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:They don't have to. Just do some coup in Kyev or threaten to withdraw from ATO altogether. They have a lot supporters in the Ukrainian army, police etc. and among Western Ukrainians.

    I think, Right Sector in power would not be bad for Novorussia. They would ruin the country even more - AND EU support will not last forever. Tghe Poles already realized what's going on and Polish president refused to meet with Poroshenko. RS does not even pretend to be European, they're Nazis and they don't hide it.

    That's an interesting statement, and I believe I agree. In the current situation, the Ukrainian regime can use RS and its like, but can still distance themselves enough for the propaganda purposes of the Western MSM. If RS seizes power in Kiev... oh man. It will be much harder for them to sweep that one under the rug. Expect nightly torchlight rallies in central Kiev with sieg runes on full display and everything. We'll see if the Euros in particular will be able to stomach that!  LOL
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    Post  auslander Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:04 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    auslander wrote:

    I and my lass have been actively trying to tamp down the euphoria springing up here and there. I will say the same thing here that we said there, in between various Sevastopol and Krimu forums going down because of so many users on line: 
    Blame Rozhin for the local euphoria, look at his latest blog entry. Oi!
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2282090.html

    He has his own agenda from what I hear and I'll leave it at that. He has supported Novorossya from, according to him, his own pocket and he has done an outstanding job of getting the news of Novorossiya out to the publik.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:10 pm

    This, from Ukranian side, is a good analysis of the consequences of Mukachevo, which are simply part of the larger consequences of the collapse of Ukraine over the years. It is very grim and ends saying that if at Verkhovna Rada they have not yet heard the sounds of the firing squad, then it is only a matter of time. http://hvylya.net/analytics/politics/shest-plohih-posledstviy-dlya-ukrainyi-i-petra-poroshenko-posle-sobyitiy-v-mukachevo.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:10 pm

    Latest on Yarosh

    Right Sector head Dmytro Yarosh has arrived to the western Ukrainian city where a standoff between the group and Ukrainian police is becoming increasingly tense. Right Sector fighters have been given shoot-to-kill orders in case they are stormed by police and National Guard troops, a Ukrainian Inter television correspondent who is on location said on Sunday night.

    The apparent orders follow Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh's arrival in Mukachevo, following a deadly standoff which killed up to three and injured nearly a dozen including civilians in a conflict alleged to be over cigarette smuggling. Right Sector fighters have also been withdrawn from the Donbass, where they have been fighting alongside the Ukrainian military, by Yarosh's orders, an apparent battalion leader told Ukrainian Hromadske television.

    "Regional police and National Guard forces have been concentrated in Mukachevo, which is surrounded by helicopters. According to the latest information, Right Sector fighters have given shoot-to-kill orders in case they are stormed," the Ukrainian television correspondent on location said.

    Although Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) said that it would not negotiate with the Right Sector fighters, negotiations are apparently ongoing nevertheless.

    Right Sector political activists are also holding rallies around Ukraine, including outside the Presidential Administration building in Kiev. Their demands include a law allowing for a president's impeachment, early elections, and an end to the ongoing constitutional amendment process, according to Verkhovna Rada deputy Olha Bohomolets, who talked with the protesters.

    The group earlier called for the resignation of Ukrainian interior minister Arsen Avakov, who they consider complicit in the mysterious death of group coordinator Oleksandr Muzychko (also known as Sashko Bilyi) in March 2014.

    Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh was appointed to be an advisor to the country's military in April, when his group was also legally formalized. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not yet issued any statements on the situation.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150712/1024532472.html#ixzz3fi2cAsXn
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    Post  whir Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:30 pm

    I have just received a phone call from Hungary and latest news on TV: the Government has closed Uzhhorod border crossing to everyone with the exception of mothers with babies and people that needs urgent specialised medical treatment. Speaker from defence ministry has announced that 300 armed border guards have been deployed to the border with armoured vehicles and the possibility of a limited intervention to evacuate Hungarians from bordering areas is not ruled out.

    Someone has posted on VK rumours that Yarosh has been assassinated but I can't access VK at the moment.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:44 pm

    2 Maidan soldiers KIA and 5 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:50 pm

    whir wrote:I have just received a phone call from Hungary and latest news on TV: the Government has closed Uzhhorod border crossing to everyone with the exception of mothers with babies and people that needs urgent specialised medical treatment. Speaker from defence ministry has announced that 300 armed border guards have been deployed to the border with armoured vehicles and the possibility of a limited intervention to evacuate Hungarians from bordering areas is not ruled out.

    Someone has posted on VK rumours that Yarosh has been assassinated but I can't access VK at the moment.

    Wow, thanks for posting.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:53 pm

    whir wrote:I have just received a phone call from Hungary and latest news on TV: the Government has closed Uzhhorod border crossing to everyone with the exception of mothers with babies and people that needs urgent specialised medical treatment. Speaker from defence ministry has announced that 300 armed border guards have been deployed to the border with armoured vehicles and the possibility of a limited intervention to evacuate Hungarians from bordering areas is not ruled out.

    Someone has posted on VK rumours that Yarosh has been assassinated but I can't access VK at the moment.
    What I am reading is that Yarosh was in a five car motorcade approaching Mukachevo when three explosions occured along the road. it is reported there are no survivors. I cannot yet find an originating source for this. If the consequences of this mean Pravy Sektor waging civil war, then good, but good that the scum may have died anyway.

    Edit: This is probably not true.


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:57 pm

    Wow this would be too good to be true.

    Was/am worried about a deescelation of this conflict.

    If true, then looks like Yarosh followed in the footsteps of Sashko Belyj, skipped-around a little too much and just couldn't see where the clearly marked borders for him were.
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    Post  Erk Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:01 pm

    South Front update, looks like the fighting is increasing.

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    Post  Khepesh Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:05 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Wow this would be too good to be true.

    Was/am worried about a deescelation of this conflict.

    If true, then looks like Yarosh followed in the footsteps of Sashko Belyj, skipped-around a little too much and just couldn't see where the clearly marked borders for him were.
    being put down to rumours, a pity....
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:05 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    whir wrote:I have just received a phone call from Hungary and latest news on TV: the Government has closed Uzhhorod border crossing to everyone with the exception of mothers with babies and people that needs urgent specialised medical treatment. Speaker from defence ministry has announced that 300 armed border guards have been deployed to the border with armoured vehicles and the possibility of a limited intervention to evacuate Hungarians from bordering areas is not ruled out.

    Someone has posted on VK rumours that Yarosh has been assassinated but I can't access VK at the moment.
    What I am reading is that Yarosh was in a five car motorcade approaching Mukachevo when three explosions occured along the road. it is reported there are no survivors. I cannot yet find an originating source for this. If the consequences of this mean Pravy Sektor waging civil war, then good, but good that the scum may have died anyway.

    Edit: This is probably not true.

    The media report I had seen earlier was that Yarosh had flown to an aerodrome on the Slovakian border, believe that to be Uzhhorod, with a party of 8 via helicopter. If indeed they did ambush him... wow!
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    Post  whir Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:12 pm

    Ukraine War Report wrote:Ukraine War - Military jet with heavily armed National guards departured to Mukacheve


    @hu_Zaporizhzhya via Google Translate wrote:Zaporozhye right sector holds a position near the Regional State Administration.
    Time 23-00.
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    Post  Erk Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:37 pm

    © EPA/ANASTASIA VLASOVA

    KIEV, July 12. /TASS/. Hungary has enhanced security measures along its border with Ukraine following the developments in the city of Mukachevo, in Ukraine’s Trans Carpathian territory, where gunmen of the Right Sector extremist group have staged a deadly attack on a range of facilities, Trans-Carpathian News online said on Sunday.
    http://tass.ru/en/world/807968



    Ukraine’s ultranationalist movement Right Sector has launched a nationwide mobilization and is withdrawing from the Donbass conflict zone following deadly clashes with police near the southwestern town of Mukachevo on Saturday.
    Sunday, July 12
    20:54 GMT:

    Right Sector fighters, who were blockaded by security forces near the town of Mukachevo, have managed to escape, Vasily Guban, the governor of the Zakarpattia Region, said.

    “The armed Right Sector members will be tracked down. At the moment, their whereabouts is unknown. They never gave up their weapons and didn’t contact the police,” Guban said, as cited by Ukraine’s 24 channel.

    20:47 GMT:

    Right Sector activists are holding rallies in 17 cities across Ukraine in support of the radicals blockaded by authorities after the shootout in Mukachevo, the organization’s website said.

    “The protests have been announced in Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Ternopol, Mariupol, Kherson, Kramatorsk, Poltava and other cities of Ukraine,” the statement reads.

    20:29 GMT:

    Right Sector spokesman Andrey Sharaskin told Ukraine’s 112 channel that all of the organization’s fighters have left their positions in the country’s eastern Donetsk Region, where Kiev is conducting a military operation against rebels, and returned to their bases.

    “Over 10,000 [Right Sector] activists have been mobilized all across Ukraine” due to tensions with the authorities, Sharaskin added.

    20:04 GMT:

    Two injured Right Sector fighters from the group of radicals blocked in by the police after a shootout in Mukachevo have given themselves up to the Ukrainian authorities, Anton Geraschenko, an interior ministry adviser, said.

    According to the medics, two young men, one born in 1990 and one in 1998, have been hospitalized with a fractured arm and leg between them.

    18:29 GMT:

    Right Sector spokesman, Artem Skoropadsky said that nothing has changed under Poroshenko’s rule compared to the times of his predecessor Viktor Yanukovich, whom the Right Sector helped to oust in February 2014.

    The current president is to blame for “chaos, murder, corruption, lack of lustration, the return of old Yanukovich era officials, lack of reform and everything that is happening now,” he stressed.

    18:12 GMT:

    Right Sector has around 20 reserve battalions in Lvov, northwestern Ukraine, the southern city of Krivoy Rog and elsewhere in the country – and those units are ready to act if the Ukrainian authorities decided to take a stand against the radical nationalists, Right Sector spokesman, Artem Skoropadsky, said.

    “The Right Sector is the party of direct action. If they will not hear us, we will have to communicate in other ways,” Skoropadsky said.

    He threatened to dispatch all reserve battalions to “the presidential administration and the Interior Ministry so that [Interior Minister Arsen] Avakov and President [Petro Poroshenko] could themselves witness the number of people in the Right Sector.”

    18:03 GMT:

    During a press conference in Kiev, Right Sector spokesman, Artem Skoropadsky, said the organization’s leader, Dmitry Yarosh, has not given an order to his fighters to lay down their arms.

    “Until such an order is given they (the fighters) are not going to surrender or give up their weapons,” Skoropadsky stressed.

    17:39 GMT:

    Right Sector militants set up a checkpoint on the outskirts of Kiev on Sunday, following deadly clashes between the group and police in Mukachevo which reportedly caused two deaths and more injuries.
    http://rt.com/news/273241-ukraine-right-sector-police/


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