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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:42 pm

    The US has Merkels Stasi folder with all the shit she has done working under Stasi, yes she is a stasi agend.
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:10 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    whir wrote:
    Bloomberg wrote:IMF Says It May Finance Ukraine Even If Creditors Don’t Get Paid
    by Andrew Mayeda and Kasia Klimasinska June 9, 2015 — 7:04 PM CEST

    Paper is cheap and printing ink is not something very expensive... the FED still can provide quite a great number of printed papers to Ukraina as long as it ignores the devaluation and inflation of the U.S. currency.

    Paper? No way man. Everything is electronic these days. Just type it on keyboard and send. You think Obama's stimulus package in the trillions was PRINTED? Shocked

    It is terrible what the people of Donbas are going through. If they can hold on till 2018 when Putin is voted out, then they'll have a great chance. The next Russian president is sure to recognize them, arm them, train them, which Putin has never done.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:18 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:.................................................

    It is terrible what the people of Donbas are going through. If they can hold on till 2018 when Putin is voted out, then they'll have a great chance. The next Russian president is sure to recognize them, arm them, train them, which Putin has never done.

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    Dude, cool your jets and stick with posting ukrop casualty figures, I enjoy those lot more than paranoia...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:22 pm

    Just what I was talking about lately... Cool

    Germans Overwhelmingly Declare They Want Russia Back in G8

    Despite the harsh rhetoric and media speculation, a recent poll undertaken by a German news channel reveals that 89 percent of those Germans questioned want Russia back in the G8 club; however Sputnik’s own poll reveals that only 27 percent want Russia back in the G8, with 62 percent feeling that the format no longer has any global relevance.


    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150610/1023170424.html#ixzz3cf2Kk0iM

    89 percent of Germans want Russia to be back in the G8 format.

    The poll was being held by German n-tv news channel, an affiliate network of CNN on its teletext pages.

    However, a similar poll conducted by Sputnik on its website reveals that only 27 percent want Russia to discuss international politics in this format, while 62 percent are convinced that the format has long lost its relevance for the world.

    The G7 members — Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States and Canada brought Russia into their club in 1998.
    However in March of 2014 they suspended its membership due souring relations with Ukraine.

    Since then, there have been lots of discussions with some politicians and entrepreneurs claiming that the refusal to invite Russia is a "missed opportunity" to set up a constructive dialogue in a number of conflicts.

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    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:.................................................

    It is terrible what the people of Donbas are going through. If they can hold on till 2018 when Putin is voted out, then they'll have a great chance. The next Russian president is sure to recognize them, arm them, train them, which Putin has never done.

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    Dude, cool your jets and stick with posting ukrop casualty figures, I enjoy those lot more than paranoia...

    A few KIA a day won't stop the war in a century. Look at Syria, where casualty is many times compared to in Ukraine, yet it shows no signs of stopping. Syria's economy is like 0 these days and without IMF bailing it out yet the war in Syria will never end. Don't expect Ukraine to capitulize because of economy. IMF will pay for the war and Ukraine will never collapse and the killing in Donbas will never stop. Unless Putin decides to do something about it like the US did in the Kosovo war. Fact.
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    Post  whir on Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:08 pm

    Yahoo wrote:European Parliament: EU must do more to counter Russia
    Associated Press 1 hour ago

    STRASBOURG, France (AP) — European Parliament members say Russia is no longer acting like a strategic partner of the European Union, and the EU must do more to oppose Russia's "aggressive and divisive policies."

    By a 494-to-135 vote, the parliament called Wednesday on the EU's executive arm to spend more to counter what it called Russian misinformation and propaganda, and to help independent citizens' groups inside Russia.

    Parliament member Gabrielius Landsbergis said Russia's annexation of Crimea and continued "aggression" against Ukraine have brought relations with Europe to a crossroads.

    Landsbergis said, "It is up to the Kremlin to decide now which way it will go — cooperation or deepening alienation."

    EU heads of state and government will discuss the bloc's policy toward Russia when they hold a summit meeting in Brussels on June 25-26. Continue reading.

    Sky News wrote:Russian Soldiers' Deaths Raise Ukraine Questions
    13:38, UK, Wednesday 10 June 2015

    Vladimir Putin says there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine, but the deaths of three young servicemen tell a different story.

    By Katie Stallard, in central Russia

    The recent deaths of three Russian servicemen raise serious questions about the Kremlin's claim that its military is not operating in Ukraine.

    Our team travelled to remote villages in central and southern Russia to find the freshly dug graves of three young men, each bearing a wreath from Russia's ministry of defence.

    Anton Savelyev, Timur Mamayusupov and Ivan Kardapolov died on the same day - 5 May, 2015.

    Social media activists connected their deaths through tributes posted online, and identified the locations of their graves.

    They found references to the elite 16th Brigade Spetsnaz, but when Sky News asked at the base they denied having heard of any of the men.

    We found the first grave in a small cemetery in the Tambov region of southern Russia, a few miles from where the 16th Brigade is based. Continue reading.

    LIFENEWS wrote:Donetsk People's Republic will defend the independence of Ukraine

    Андрій Дзиндзя wrote:The bombardment by ACS with Shyrokyno

    RT wrote:Aerial footage: Huge plumes of black smoke billow from burning oil depot near Kiev

    MNS GOV.UA wrote:Rescuers used to extinguish foamy attack tanks on tank farms
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    Post  whir on Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:37 pm

    TheMedvedova wrote:Mini GRAD militia LC - Ukraine

    The first explosion at the landfill Kuzminka (18)

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:23 pm

    Russia should never return to G8. In general BRICS members should never participate in United States groups. They should not have dialogue with NATO either. Only with United States alone when needed. No reason to give weight to vassals.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:29 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Russia should never return to G8. In general BRICS members should never participate in United States groups. They should not have dialogue with NATO either. Only with United States alone when needed. No reason to give weight to vassals.

    Agreed. 100%
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    Post  whir on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:36 pm

    Kiyov TV wrote:The fire at the tank farm in Vasilkov. Lights for two days.

    News-Front wrote:The battalion "Somalia" keeps the defense in the Donetsk airport. The young soldier, "Bill." June 9, 2015
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:47 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Russia should never return to G8. In general BRICS members should never participate in United States groups. They should not have dialogue with NATO either. Only with United States alone when needed. No reason to give weight to vassals.

    Speaking of the devil.... thumbsup


    If the G7 Invites Russia Back It Should Say NO

    Russia gains nothing by being a member of a hostile organisation that is becoming increasingly irrelevant as it is being overtaken in importance by the G20 and the BRICS


    David Rudge

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/if-g7-invites-russia-back-it-should-say-no/ri7900

    Groucho Marx made a famous joke back in 1949 about not wanting to join a club that would have him as a member.

    The G7 exactly reverses that. Why would Russia want to join a club that had the G7 as members?

    It’s not as if Russia was ever a real member anyway. What was called the G8 was in reality no such thing.

    It was more accurately the G7+1. The economic discussions happened between the original G7.  Russia would then be invited in to talk about political issues.

    What that meant in practice was that the US and the rest after their own meeting would gang up on Russia.  

    Putin or for a time Medvedev would be subjected to long tedious lectures on (take your pick) Syria, human rights, carbon emissions, Ukraine etc, telling him how bad his behaviour was. The Western media would chortle about how isolated that left Russia . There’d be a final communique and a photo op. Then they’d all go home.

    Putin thinks so little of the format that in 2012, just after his election, he didn’t even bother to go. (He sent Medvedev instead).

    If the G7 were really as important as they think it might be worth it. The truth is they are not.

    The fact is they don’t even represent the world’s biggest economies anymore. China — in purchasing power parity terms the world’s biggest economy — is not a member. Nor are India or Brazil.

    The G20 is a far more important format. Cack-handed attempts by last year’s Australian hosts to exclude Russia, complete with threats to “shirt-front Putin”, got nowhere.

    The BRICS also matters much more. In 2 or 3 years at most their combined GDP will have surpassed that of the G7.

    Russia gains nothing by being part of the G7 and is better off outside it.

    What is really weird is that the members of the G7 just don’t see it. We had all sorts of comments from people like Merkel, Hollande, Lagarde and Tusk regretting Russia wasn’t there and hinting that if Russia behaved itself it would be invited back.

    If Russia is ever invited back it should just say no.
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    Post  medo on Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:33 pm

    10.06.15. Репортаж от Lifenews.

    "Захарченко: Я не вижу будущее ДНР в составе Украины. Глава ДНР заявил LifeNews, что жители Донецкой Народной Республики проливали кровь за независимость своего края. ДНР будет отстаивать независимость от Украины, заявил глава ДНР Александр Захарченко в эксклюзивном комментарии LifeNews. — Будущее ДНР для меня лично — это свободное независимое государство, которое может на равных разговаривать с Украиной. Любые процессы здесь должны соответствовать духу независимости… Та кровь, которая пролита нашими соотечественниками за это, — это невозможно забыть… С Украиной ни о каких самопровозглашенных автономиях даже речи быть не может, — сказал глава ДНР. Какие отношения ДНР строить с другими странами и с Россией, должен решать народ, считает Александр Захарченко. Отметим, сегодня представители ДНР и ЛНР в Контактной группе в Минске опубликовали совместное заявление, в котором подчеркнули, что идеальным вариантом для республик станет вхождение в состав Российской Федерации, однако власти республик соблюдают условия минских соглашений, рамками которых сейчас определяется статус ДНР и ЛНР."

    Zaharchenko see no chance, that DNR will be part of Ukraine again. They spill too much blood, that this could be possible and will not take any kind of autonomy inside Ukraine. They will be either independent or part of Russian Federation.
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    Post  whir on Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:28 pm

    видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:45 pm

    whir wrote:
    видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.

    What kinda translation is this, gibberish?

    I cant view videos on my phone anymore due to browser. Whats going on?
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    Post  whir on Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:25 pm

    sepheronx wrote:What kinda translation is this, gibberish?
    I cant view videos on my phone anymore due to browser. Whats going on?
    Short version of a longer clip from Navalny's trip to Novosibirsk, he criticises construction of Crimea's bridge just to be confronted by a guy with a NAF arm-patch that gets shouted by someone in the crowd.

    More about this story:
    Global Voices Online wrote:That Rare Moment When a Moscow Opposition Leader Visits Siberia
    9 June 2015 2:49 GMT

    Alexey Navalny, one of the leaders of the Russian opposition, made a rare trip outside Moscow on Sunday, May 7, arriving in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk, where Russia's “democratic coalition” will hold primaries next weekend. Navalny's new political alliance has organized voting in Novosibirsk and several other cities this month to select candidates for regional and district elections in September.

    Navalny has faced tight travel restrictions in recent years while fighting an onslaught of legal cases brought against him following his rise to political prominence during mass protests more than three years ago. Fellow opposition leader Ilya Yashin joined Navalny in Novosibirsk at a public discussion about the coalition's politics. Yashin, a party leader of RPR-Parnas, which is a founding member of the coalition, kicked off the event by asserting the need for political change through elections, saying Russia needs a “true parliament that represents the interests of all citizens, not just a small group of bureaucrats and oligarchs.”

    .... Most of the questions posed by audience members, however, were decidedly hostile.

    Sporting military fatigues and a “Novorossiya” arm patch celebrating Russia's claim on lands in eastern Ukraine, a man from the crowd said, “I would like to remind everyone here who it was who went to the American embassy,” criticizing Navalny's relationship with US state officials. “Remember how Russia was betrayed in the 1990s?” he continued. “Does he want to do the same?”
    ....

    ... Navalny listened to the criticism, and responded to each audience member, countering the attacks on his patriotism by framing himself and his anti-corruption agenda as truly patriotic in contrast to Russia's current rulers. “I am going to unite around the development of the Novosibirsk region's gas infrastructure, not around [state energy giant] Gazprom,” Navalny argued... Continue reading.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:40 pm

    Georgian ex-deputy interior minister appointed chief of Ukraine's Odessa region police

    Mikheil Saakashvili said Giya Lordkipanidze is a man of absolute honesty

    i think this guy pursue to have his ass kicked again attack , as in 2008
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:10 am

    Is this Kiev today, as it says??




    NedoUkraïnka ‏@ValLisitsa 4h4 hours ago

    Dear @SenJohnMcCain, do you have any comment on savage beating of US citizen your friend Russ Tashbaev by Kiev thugs?
    "Maidan-3", demanding reforms from Kiev - violently dispersed. Its leader kidnapped, savagely beaten.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:00 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this Kiev today, as it says??
    Anybody have any idea what is going on?
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    Post  mack8 on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:38 am

    Are these the neo-fascist "national guard" troops? (judging by the cross on the vehicles). Show of force against the Pork? Anyway, one can see the vast crowds and their cheering and joy... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:51 am

    mack8 wrote:Are these the neo-fascist "national  guard" troops? (judging by the cross on the vehicles). Show of force against the Pork? Anyway, one can see the vast crowds and their cheering and joy... Rolling Eyes

    I was wondering about the "cross" on the vehicles...I wondered if it was similar to German Iron Cross, just a different color??
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    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:55 am

    sepheronx wrote:
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    видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.

    What kinda translation is this, gibberish?

    I cant view videos on my phone anymore due to browser. Whats going on?
    DNR volunteer gets owned by usual crowd. He couldn't even form proper argument.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:57 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this Kiev today, as it says??
    Anybody have any idea what is going on?

    Rehearsal for Constitution Day maybe? The BTR's all sport parade cocardes, camo and pace.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:01 am

    Ukraine to place S-300 antiaircraft missiles on border with Transdniestria
    World
    June 10, 21:29

    http://tass.ru/en/world/800123
    read more at link

    ODESSA, June 4. /TASS/. Ukrainian authorities will deploy S-300 antiaircraft missile complexes on the border with Transdniestria - a mostly Slavic-populated breakaway region of Moldova that has existed as an unrecognized Dniester Republic since the early 1990.

    A report published by Odessa-based Taimer newspaper quoted the Ukrainian Defence Ministry officials as saying the missile complexes will be deployed in the Bolgrad district of the Odessa region.

    "Officials at the war ministry said the S-300 missiles will ensure defence of the country in the south of the Odessa region on the border with the Dniester Republic," Taimer said.

    In the light of it, Dniester Republic President Yevgeny Shevchuk expressed concern over the bellicose moods in Kiev.

    "We’re concerned by the fact," he said. "The Dniester leadership is acting with maximum openness in this situation. We’ve made proposals more than once to the (European security organization) OSCE, the Ukrainian embassy, other partners in the Five-plus-Two negotiations format (embracing Moldova, Transdniestria, Russia, Ukraine, the OSCE, as well as the US and the EU in the capacity of observers - TASS) to come over to us and to see for themselves that there are absolutely no military preparations on our side."

    "We’re astonished by the OSCE’s reluctance to bring this fact to public awareness,"
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:04 am

    More than 336,000 Ukrainians receive refugee status or temporary asylum in Russia

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/800057
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:25 am

    Latest from OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine based on information received as of 19:30 (Kyiv time), 9 June 2015
    KYIV 10 June 2015


    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/163441

    The SMM however did receive a letter from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence saying that they would place heavy weapons back to the contact line due to what they described as the “real threat” following events in and around Marinka on 3 June. wrote:

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