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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    [b]If the G7 Invites Russia Back It Should Say NO
    It's cute how most of Europe and the US still think they'll be relevant in another 10-20 years, let alone the number 1s on the planet.
    The US will be lucky to still be respected as a minor nuclear power within the next few decades, that is if it doesn't blow itself up with its own stockpile due to State secessions/civil wars. They have been going through a progressive brain drain as well due to their failed education system, which will hinder their recovery no-end. If they recover. Rolling Eyes

    Their main export might end up being their military know-how... but even then they've already been overtaken in most fields by Russia, so in 20 years they might be lucky to be selling their F-22s for a fraction of the cost they aquired them, can't see many countries wanting them anyway. lol1
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    Post  Erk Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:44 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Ukraine to place S-300 antiaircraft missiles on border with Transdniestria
    World
    June 10, 21:29

    http://tass.ru/en/world/800123
    read more at link

    ODESSA, June 4. /TASS/. Ukrainian authorities will deploy S-300 antiaircraft missile complexes on the border with Transdniestria - a mostly Slavic-populated breakaway region of Moldova that has existed as an unrecognized Dniester Republic since the early 1990.

    A report published by Odessa-based Taimer newspaper quoted the Ukrainian Defence Ministry officials as saying the missile complexes will be deployed in the Bolgrad district of the Odessa region.

    "Officials at the war ministry said the S-300 missiles will ensure defence of the country in the south of the Odessa region on the border with the Dniester Republic," Taimer said.

    In the light of it, Dniester Republic President Yevgeny Shevchuk expressed concern over the bellicose moods in Kiev.

    "We’re concerned by the fact," he said. "The Dniester leadership is acting with maximum openness in this situation. We’ve made proposals more than once to the (European security organization) OSCE, the Ukrainian embassy, other partners in the Five-plus-Two negotiations format (embracing Moldova, Transdniestria, Russia, Ukraine, the OSCE, as well as the US and the EU in the capacity of observers - TASS) to come over to us and to see for themselves that there are absolutely no military preparations on our side."

    "We’re astonished by the OSCE’s reluctance to bring this fact to public awareness,"
    Because it's land locked, Kiev knows the Russians have to fly in and out of the base. This is very provocative, however the S-300s don't look in very good condition.

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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:45 am

    Erk wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Ukraine to place S-300 antiaircraft missiles on border with Transdniestria
    World
    June 10, 21:29

    http://tass.ru/en/world/800123
    read more at link

    ODESSA, June 4. /TASS/. Ukrainian authorities will deploy S-300 antiaircraft missile complexes on the border with Transdniestria - a mostly Slavic-populated breakaway region of Moldova that has existed as an unrecognized Dniester Republic since the early 1990.

    A report published by Odessa-based Taimer newspaper quoted the Ukrainian Defence Ministry officials as saying the missile complexes will be deployed in the Bolgrad district of the Odessa region.

    "Officials at the war ministry said the S-300 missiles will ensure defence of the country in the south of the Odessa region on the border with the Dniester Republic," Taimer said.

    In the light of it, Dniester Republic President Yevgeny Shevchuk expressed concern over the bellicose moods in Kiev.

    "We’re concerned by the fact," he said. "The Dniester leadership is acting with maximum openness in this situation. We’ve made proposals more than once to the (European security organization) OSCE, the Ukrainian embassy, other partners in the Five-plus-Two negotiations format (embracing Moldova, Transdniestria, Russia, Ukraine, the OSCE, as well as the US and the EU in the capacity of observers - TASS) to come over to us and to see for themselves that there are absolutely no military preparations on our side."

    "We’re astonished by the OSCE’s reluctance to bring this fact to public awareness,"
    Because it's land locked, Kiev knows the Russians have to fly in and out of the base. This is very provocative, however the S-300s don't look in very good condition.

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    So VDV will take the role if sth happens
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:01 am

    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov Jun 9

    NATO NonLethalAid keeps coming into Ukraine, this time via border with Hungary. Any takers on what is covered?

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:06 am

    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 4h4 hours ago

    Look, @AmbassadorPower is at Maidan square today, shedding crocodile tears! I propose to send her to Gorlovka.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:23 am

    Vice President Biden ‏@VP 6h6 hours ago

    Vice President Biden met with Prime Minister Yatsenyuk of #Ukraine at the White House today →

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:40 am

    Locals of Donetsk continue to live in shelters since almost a year
    7 June 2015 by Petr Shelomovskiy


    http://www.demotix.com/news/7809558/locals-donetsk-continue-live-shelters-almost-year#media-7809470
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    Post  Erk Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:51 am



    Overnight news update
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:15 am

    Anybody please who knows how to seal the mouth of Asswenuts ? attack

    https://youtu.be/A-WDevQtT-4

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    Post  auslander Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:43 am

    We've got Yats meeting in DC with all the known actors in this ongoing tragedy.

    We've got Powers wandering around Kiev.

    We've got Sabakasvilli taking over Odessa.

    We've got Uke units moving to the Transdnistra borders in strength including AA arty and missiles.

    We've got NATO in west ukeland and confirmed sightings of Nato operatives near the lines in Novorossiya and an increasing number of Nato naval assets wandering around the Black Sea.

    We've got the screaming about VVP's aggression rising to a crescendo on west media.

    We've got EU and DC clearly stating there will be more sanctions against RF and demanding Krim be 'returned' to the ukes.

    We've got OSCE seeing absolutely nothing in Novorossiya and patently ignoring violations of Minsk and generally saying it's NAF, not UAF, doing the provocations.

    We've got 3 weeks of steadily rising bombardments of Novorossiya civilians and now 5 full days of nonstop bombardments which no one from the west sees or mentions.

    Our son's 3 day leave to visit his sisters was canceled yesterday morning.

    I smell a problem coming.
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    Post  Guest Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:14 pm

    auslander wrote:We've got Yats meeting in DC with all the known actors in this ongoing tragedy.

    We've got Powers wandering around Kiev.

    We've got Sabakasvilli taking over Odessa.

    We've got Uke units moving to the Transdnistra borders in strength including AA arty and missiles.

    We've got NATO in west ukeland and confirmed sightings of Nato operatives near the lines in Novorossiya and an increasing number of Nato naval assets wandering around the Black Sea.

    We've got the screaming about VVP's aggression rising to a crescendo on west media.

    We've got EU and DC clearly stating there will be more sanctions against RF and demanding Krim be 'returned' to the ukes.

    We've got OSCE seeing absolutely nothing in Novorossiya and patently ignoring violations of Minsk and generally saying it's NAF, not UAF, doing the provocations.

    We've got 3 weeks of steadily rising bombardments of Novorossiya civilians and now 5 full days of nonstop bombardments which no one from the west sees or mentions.

    Our son's 3 day leave to visit his sisters was canceled yesterday morning.

    I smell a problem coming.
    So time for take 2 of the operation to attack Transnistria? I feel like I have déjà vu, weren't we in nearly the exact same situation about a week ago? The Transnistria attack felt like it was imminent last week too. Ukraine suddenly quit caring about Transnistria when the NAF conducted a short but brutal counterattack on UAF positions. With all the rumors of the Russian Military making the winds blow from the East again, it was certainly plausible that Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to act upon prior knowledge that the Ukrops will try and attack Transnistria.
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    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this Kiev today, as it says??
    Anybody have any idea what is going on?

    Rehearsal for Constitution Day maybe? The BTR's all sport parade cocardes, camo and pace.
    Makes sense... Silly me.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:51 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 4h4 hours ago

    Look, @AmbassadorPower is at Maidan square today, shedding crocodile tears! I propose to send her to Gorlovka.

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    It makes me sick when i see photos like this, this photograph in a nutshell sums up the total hypocrisy of these people.  I can do nothing but feel hatred for them.

    Edit: Basurin has announced that two more children died overnight during the shelling by ukrainian forces. I wonder what the lady in the photo above feels about that? Will she ever pay respects at their graves?

    @magnusprime, you really dont understand why people wish the destruction of the ua army, when they are responsible for civilians, many children dying every day in the most horrific of ways??? I wonder how you would feel if it were the russian army shelling a norwegian city. I think you would wish the complete annihilation of the russian army, rather than the death of one more norwegian innocent child.

    I know you read this, so sign up and join the fray. We need more different views here.




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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:01 pm

    RE: Transistria

    How often do russian aircraft fly in to supply the troops? Is it daily, weekly or what?
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    Post  whir Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:20 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:How often do russian aircraft fly in to supply the troops? Is it daily, weekly or what?
    The schedule appears to be a bit random and it's done through Chisinau Airport unless Moldova's government turns down the flight, that has happened a few times but usually RMoD just waits until it is approved or send another flight on a later date.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:28 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:RE: Transistria

    How often do russian aircraft fly in to supply the troops? Is it daily, weekly or what?

    I dont know about supply but in theory , if a major war start.. in transnistria ,for russia it should be possible to backup their peace forces there , by launching cruise missiles from black sea ,flying low ,invading Ukraine closest border with Romania.. and the missiles fly towards their forces positions ,and later Russian soldiers in Transnistria could guide them by lazer to its final destination.. Something similar to lazer guided artillery that its final trayectory is manually guide by lazer. and effectively hit the positions of Moldovans or Ukrainians attacking Transnistria without invading with the planes Ukraine airspace. IT could also hit the S-300s that Ukraine use
    that are old generation with only ~80km range. So penetrating Ukraine air defenses will not be a problem.. but it could be expensive.

    So essentially Russia navy in Black sea or Russia airfoce can shell the zones of any agressors
    against transnistria. without their planes entering ukraine airspace. only the missiles.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:45 pm

    West May Turn Its Back on Kiev - French Economist

    Washington does not want to bear the burden of the collapsing Ukrainian economy, which may soon default on its debt, according to French economist Jacques Sapir, head of the Research Center of Industrialization.


    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150609/1023132840.html

    Western countries are changing their stance on the situation in Ukraine, with US authorities signaling America's reluctance to bear the burden of the collapsing Ukrainian economy, which may soon default on its debt, French economist Jacques Sapir, head of the Research Center of  Industrialization, wrote in his article published on the website of Sputnik's French edition.

    According to Sapir, France is already exhausted by the position of Kiev, which has done nothing to implement the Minsk ceasefire agreement. As for Germany's stance, it has also changed in such a way that Sapir said if the United States "was able to put the burden of Ukraine on the European Union, Germany would prove to be the biggest loser."

    "Therefore it seems that only Britain continues to maintain an aggressive position toward Russia, while other [EU countries] are exhausted by corruption, incompetence and the political cynicism of Kiev", Sapir said.

    According to him, the latest events showed that Russia, in fact, holds the position of a referee as far as the Ukraine issue is concerned.

    As for Kiev, it will continue to face more serious problems in the future, Sapir said, pointing to the infighting between Ukrainian oligarchs, which indicates significant differences in the country's government.

    Also, it is worth mentioning that the conflict in southeastern Ukraine has failed to eliminate political diversity or unify the population, according to Sapir.

    He went on to say that the real state of affairs in Ukraine could be hidden for a while with the help of repression and terror, as has happened in recent months, but these measures will not help resolve the problems.

    "Even the Ukrainian government understands the crucial economic role of its relations with Russia until 2013. Ukraine cannot hope for economic recovery without an agreement with Russia," Sapir concluded.

    Ukraine's authorities and those who support the independence of Ukraine's Donbass region have repeatedly accused each other of violating the Minsk ceasefire agreement, which was clinched in the Belarusian capital on February 2015.

    Among other things, the deal stipulates the withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides from the frontline and the release of all hostages and other illegally detained people.

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    Post  whir Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:58 pm

    Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:Біля метро “Мінська” демонтували 17 МАФів (фото)
    Near the metro station "Minsk" dismantled 17 MAFov (photo)
    Thursday, June 11, 2015

    On Thursday, June 11, in the Obolon district of the capital near the metro station "Minsk" dismantled 17 illegal MAFov. It is on his page on Facebook director of the department of urban beautification and preservation of the environment KSCA Dmitry Bilotserkivets.

    Thus, in Kiev, work continues to dismantle illegal structures. However, businessmen and traders not happy with this initiative metropolitan officials.

    Recall that on Wednesday, June 10, traders from the underpass subway "Kharkiv" blocked traffic Desired Avenue to protest the dismantling of MAFov.

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    / Photo Dmitry Bila Tserkva Continue reading.

    Segodnya UA via Google Translate wrote:Мать и дочь из Харькова везли оружие в Россию (фото)
    Mother and daughter were carrying weapons from Kharkov in Russia (photo)
    Today, 12:01

    In the car, the customs officers found a bag in which there were two noise pistol and spare parts from the 50 Soviet gun TT

    Mother and daughter were taken from Kharkov in Russia spare parts for weapons. How to tell the workers of Kharkov customs, a woman tried to cross the border at the checkpoint "Goptovka."

    During oral declaration Kharkov women visibly nervous, so their car "Zhiguli" was transferred to the strip "red corridor" for a more detailed examination. In the car, the customs officers found a bag in which there were two noise pistol and spare parts from the 50 Soviet TT pistol.

    According to the women, they were asked to take a parcel to Penza at the specified address on the wrapper package and on the contents of parcels they knew nothing. Weapons and parts seized and handed over to the authorities of the SBU , and made ​​a protocol on violation of customs rules. Continue reading.

    TASS via Google Translate wrote:Папа римский подарил Путину медаль с изображением ангела-миротворца
    The pope presented the medal with the image of Putin angel peacemaker
    Politics June 10, 21:18 UTC + 3

    The Pontiff said that this medal brings peace, justice, solidarity and protection

    ROME, June 10. / TASS /. Interview of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Pope Francis lasted about an hour. According to tradition it was held behind closed doors for the press in private papal library.

    The head of the Russian state and the pope exchanged gifts. Putin presented the panel with the image of Christ the Savior. In addition, the Russian side gave the pope a few volumes of the Orthodox Encyclopedia.

    In presenting their gifts to the Russian delegation, the Pope said: "This medal, which was produced by the artist of the last century, depicts an angel who brings peace and justice, and solidarity, and protects. And this text, which has a reflection on that the Gospel brings us light and joy in life, and there is a geopolitical thinking about us, and about our lives. "

    After the meeting, the Pope held the Russian president to the exit of the library and saying goodbye, asked to convey the best wishes of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill. Continue reading.

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    Donetsk airport position ATU forces under fire - Donetsk

    News-Front wrote:The Nazis are shelling Donetsk Kuibyshev district. June 10, 2015
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:01 pm

    The fire at the oil storage near Kiev increased

    Eyewitnesses have reported 50-meter column of flame

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/11/fire/

    The fire at the tank farm in Vasylkivska district (Kyiv region) once again increased. It is reported by the correspondent of TV channel "112 Ukraine" from the scene.

    According to preliminary estimates, the flame height is 50 meters. In place of the fire has about 100 firefighters.

    "The situation is complicated because an hour ago, the Emergency Situations Ministry said that while burning a tank, while others simply smoked, and they managed to put out. Just five minutes ago back there was a fire, the fire is burning, "- said the reporter.

    According to "Interfax-Ukraine" on the territory of oil depot blew up two tanks of fuel at 800 cubic meters. As the head of the State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations Nikolay Chechetkin, a total of three tank cars continue to burn. "Threats to the spread of fire in the direction of the military unit, and towards the airport in the direction of the tank farm of BT is not" - said the official.

    As clarified the press service of Ministry of Health of Ukraine on his page on Facebook , the number of victims in the fire increased to 18 people. "Three of them died on the spot; one died in the hospital; four outpatient medical care provided; 10 people are hospitalized, "- said in a release.

    The fire at the tank farm "Bytremstroymaterialy" in the village Glevaha Vasilkovskaja Kyiv region began on Monday around 17:30 - lit one tanks with a volume of 900 cubic meters of oil. Later, the fire spread to all the other 16 tanks. In fact the fire initiated two criminal cases - find out the cause of the fire (the basic version - a technical failure when working with oil, base leadership insists on the attack), as well as check out why oil depot was built in close proximity to the military unit with an arsenal of weapons.



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    Post  Ghoster Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:49 pm

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150611/1069464338.html wrote:Ministry of Foreign Affairs DNI: security forces deliberately fired at the infrastructure of Donbass
    14:10 06/11/2015

    DONETSK, June 11 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian security forces deliberately fired at the Donbass infrastructure and water facilities, told RIA Novosti on Thursday, the Foreign Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk Alexander Kofman.

    Earlier it was reported that as a result of the shelling was damaged Gorlovka filtering station of the city and the channel Seversky Donets-Donbass, causing residents dozen cities of Donetsk region may be left without water.

    "Last year at the filter station 16 times shells flew Ukrainian. It's probably" accidentally. "They purposefully destroying the infrastructure of Donbass and want to keep people in the region without water. In this case, the position of the militia for some reason they are not shelled. Suffer only civilians . This is terror, intimidation of the population, "- said Coffman.

    RIA Novosti ria.ru/world/20150611/1069441548.html wrote:LPR: nine cities and regions of the republic are already 24 days without water
    13:07 06/11/2015

    MOSCOW, June 11 - RIA Novosti. For 24 days, nine cities and districts of the breakaway Lugansk People's Republic are without water, "we have a real disaster," said Acting Deputy Prime Minister Vasily Nikitin LC, speaking at the Federation Council.

    Earlier, Director General of the utility "Luganskvoda" Sergei Mahurenko said that due to the termination of supply water to Kiev controlled the situation in the territory of the LC is close to critical: the republic is provided with water only at 40%, increased the threat of epidemics.

    "Nine cities and districts of Lugansk People's Republic 24 days without water. We have the real disaster because all water intakes and central pumps are on territory controlled by the armed forces of Ukraine. It is on the river Seversky Donets River Aydar ... basic intakes that feeds our cities are more than three weeks without water, "- said Nikitin.

    According to him, the authorities paid attention to the issue representatives of the OSCE, but the response has not yet been received.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150611/1069432692.html wrote:Up to 10 cities of Donetsk region may be left without water due to fire
    12:34 06/11/2015

    DONETSK, June 11 - RIA Novosti. The inhabitants of a dozen cities in the Donbass can be left without water as a result of night shelling Ukrainian Gorlovka; Gorlovka in the most water is no longer reported on Thursday, the press service of "Water of Donbass".

    On the night of June 11, Gorlovka undergone massive bombardment. According to the Defense DNI, killing three civilians, including two children, four more children were injured.

    "Gorlovka under severe fire. As a result of damaged pipeline only working channel Seversky Donets-Donbass. Under threat of arrest, Donetsk, and Red Army Velikoanadolskiy filtering stations, from which the water supply of cities Avdeevka, Donetsk and partially Yasinovataya, Volnovaha, Ugledar, Dokuchaevsk, Dobropole Dimitrov, Selidovo, Ukrainian, and nearby villages, "- told in the company.

    The shelling without water were already residents of Gorlovka and Dzerzhinsk, where specified. "In addition, the shells hit the area Gorlovskij filtration plant №2. As a result, the station is completely de-energized. Without water Gorlovka and Dzerzhinsk," - noted in the company.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:The fire at the oil storage near Kiev increased

    Eyewitnesses have reported 50-meter column of flame

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/11/fire/

    Where is Obama's shale oil ? It is said that The Divine Shale Oil of Obama can cure everything. Obama should send shale oil to Kyiv right now. Laughing
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:49 pm

    Putin's Logic vs. Strelkov's Logic

    By Pavel Shipilin

    Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/putins-logic-vs-strelkovs-logic.html

    If one were to believe some of our political scientists and politicians, Vladimir Putin and his associates don't seem to care very much about Russia's security. Which leads to the following conclusion: Kremlin has been taken over by traitors who influence the president's will and force him to surrender the Motherland's interests in order to satisfy the liberal-oligarchic wing which is tied to the international capital.

    In order to attempt to figure out whether it's really so, we have to first try to understand how, and by whom, the most important decisions are made.

    It's no secret that currently Ukraine is our main problem--as a US-wielded instrument of destabilizing the situation in Europe. In particular, we are expecting the growth of tensions in Transnistria.

    Naturally, a few decisions about that region have already been made, depending on how events unfold. It's difficult to say what scenarios were considered by that narrow circle. But no doubt they considered as many as possible, for every possible eventuality.

    I already discussed the members of the president's inner circle. Since that time my certainty has only grown--Vladimir Putin has finally assembled a team of professionals and is not about to change it. Let's go over its composition once again (in alphabetical order, not in order of importance):

    Bortnikov, Aleksandr Vasilyevich, FSB Director
    Ivanov, Sergey Borisovich, the Director of the Presidential Administration
    Lavrov, Sergey Viktorovich, the Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Medvedev, Dmitriy Anatolyevich, the Head of Government
    Patrushev, Nikolay Yefimovich, Security Council Director
    Fradkov, Mikhail Yefimovich, Foreign Intelligence Service director
    Shoygu, Sergey Kuzhugetovich, Minister of Defense.
    When it comes to the most important issues (Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, sanctions and countersanctions), these people assemble together with the president in a secret location. It's likely somewhere in Moscow, in order for them to meet rapidly and without drawing attention. It may be that there is a special bunker somewhere in the Kremlin or in the Lubyanka.

    Presidential residences are equipped with communications equipment. For example, the Bocharov Ruchey in Sochi was, in all likelihood, actively used for secret meetings of the above-named individuals with the president during the Olympics.

    The Ukraine coup took place on February 22, while the Olympics lasted between February 7 and 23, and a smiling Vladimir Putin appeared on the tribune. I suspect he had to fly back to Moscow several times during those two weeks, and he will remember those sleepless nights forever. Incidentally, this is already the second Olympics messed up for him by the US.

    The capture of the Supreme Council and the Council of Ministers of the Republic of Crimea in Simferopol was carried out by the "polite people" during the night of February 26-27.

    We could only guess how these secret meetings take place. They are informal, since the country's fate is at stake. Let's fantasize a little and imagine an invasion of Ukraine's territory in order to defend Transnistria.
    Naturally, they are discussing GenStaff plans presented by Shoygu, as well as the military intelligence data. Lavrov reports on the international situation, the depth of disagreement with the West, will India and China take a neutral position.

    Bornikov and Fradkov formulate agents' reports. Medvedev talks about the situation in the economy, the routes of population evacuation, and the industrial capacities in the event of a total war. Ivanov and Patrushev have the role of disseminating information and developing political and military scenarios.

    However, a military invasion into another country always carries a risk of a big war. And not only against one country, but against many.

    Therefore the military operation is but one topic to discuss. It's as important to discuss the country's position after its completion, what aims will be achieved, and what aims will have to be sacrificed. Possible reactions--military, economic, political. China's reaction (and, at the same time, the security of Eastern borders), as well as the reaction by Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkey, Iran, Israel, etc.

    The final decision, naturally, is made by Putin.

    Please keep in mind: these plans are not being developed with the participation of oligarchs or liberals, whose pressure is so feared by our quasipatriots. There is simply no place for them in the secret bunker. They are somewhere on the surface, dealing with their petty affairs--they are getting rich off kickbacks, buying villas and yachts. Nobody has ever asked their opinion concerning Crimea or South Ossetia--it's none of their business.

    There is no liberal-oligarchic pressure on the development of the most important decisions concerning the country's fate. Their access to state secrets is limited to their firms. Which is already a lot.

    We don't know and we'll never know what is contained on the thousands of pages of secret reports and intercepts from the US, Europe, Ukraine, Moldova, China, Belarus, India, Georgia, the Baltics. However, we can safely assume that they exist, and that strategic and tactical decisions are made on their basis. And these documents should never be made public--or, at any rate, any time soon.

    Therefore it's all the more amazing that we have people in our society who demand an immediate report. "Government policies are entirely opaque. We don't know what the President wants. We don't know what the country's highest leadership wants. We as a country all too often say what we don't do, and do what we don't say," complains Igor Girkin.

    He is absolutely correct. Except that, in contrast to the hero of Novorossia, I don't see a tragedy here--I am pleased that we are so good at keeping our secrets.

    What is more, yesterday Rostislav Ishchenko expressed in his very interesting article the opinion that Igor Strelkov is guilty of what happened in Novorossia a year ago. In his opinion, the capture of Slavyansk took place for the same reason as the Polish government in exile launched the Warsaw Uprising in 1944--in order to control the capital at the moment of the entry of Russian regular forces. The "militarists" wanted very little--simply to have a small piece of "liberated territory" when Russian troops entered Ukraine, so that they could enter the new government. They didn't hide that they wished to create in Novorossia a country of the sort they wished to see in Russia. Following in the footsteps of the Warsaw Uprising, which was also started in order to meet the Red Army with an "independently liberated" capital, complete with a ready "government," Ishchenko writes.

    Can't argue with his logic.

    I'd only disagree with his assumption that the entry of Russian forces was forestalled by the threat of sanctions. "Something happens in the end of April. Russian government and media rhetoric changes, forces return to permanent bases, and conflict becomes a prolonged one. According to the 'militarists', the 'fifth column' in the Kremlin forced Putin to make concessions and attempt to reach an agreement with the US at Donbass' expense. It's a crazy scenario, good only for scaring housewives," Ishchenko writes.

    In his opinion, the economic-financial block within the government could insist on the delay of the active phase of conflict, arguing that the economy needed time to prepare for possible sanctions.

    But I think it was all much simpler than that. And here's why.

    When Vladimir Putin discussed the details of the Crimea operation, he deliberately emphasized that he first took an interest in the opinion of the peninsula's inhabitants. Let me assure you, he has far more reliable sources than the pollsters (the data was most likely provided by the FSB director Bortnikov). And he gave the go-ahead only after he was certain that Crimea would vote in favor of reunification with Russia.

    I think he was told last year about the actual attitudes among Ukrainians. It is precisely in April that Russia's rating fell in their eyes. It became clear they would not meet our army with flowers.


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    But what is Igor Strelkov telling us? Having given us his assessment of the situation around Transnistria, he proposed an alternative scenario which he voiced more than once--marching on Kiev. "The enemy is deliberately attempting to escalate the conflict, he is deliberately preparing for it, he is constantly increasing his strength. Further ignoring of that fact, indecisiveness, delay in inflicting a decisive defeat, destroying and overthrowing the junta and liberating Kiev are leading us in the direction of a global defeat."

    Note that the hero of Novorossia is only talking about the military aspect of resolving the Transnistria problem. Naturally, the technical possibility exists, and it is no doubt being discussed among the narrow circle that I mentioned.

    But the people responsible for the fate of 146 million Russians are used to looking beyond the horizon, and gaming not only their own actions but also the reactions, thinking several steps ahead. And in contrast to Igor Strelkov, they are trying to avoid fatal mistakes.

    South Ossetia and Crimea are proof they can be trusted. The former DPR Minister of Defense could not convince me, in spite of his passion.

    J.Hawk's Comment: In response to the comments below, I think Shipilin has it basically right. I outlined what my view of  Kremlin's strategy is here--this is still the early '30s, lots can still happen or not happen, but one thing is for sure: there is no Wehrmacht anywhere in sight, and that being the case, why risk another major, Stalin-like, transformation of the society to meet a non-existent threat, given the risks such a mobilization entails? That being the case, liberals have their proper place but in the antechambers of policymaking, not at the actual table.
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    Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:Печерський суд відмовився змушувати Шокіна порушувати справу на Порошенка
    Pechersk court refused to force Shokina prosecute on Poroshenko
    Thursday, June 11, 2015, 14:49

    Kyiv Pecherskyi District Court does not consider the actions of the Prosecutor General of inactivity because not opened proceedings against Poroshenko through information about the alleged appropriation of his land in Tsarskoye Selo.

    As reported by individual deputies of Dnipropetrovsk Vitali Kupriy in Facebook , the court rejected him and his colleagues to meet the relevant complaints.

    In his address, Deputy relied on journalists reporting program "Scheme" Maxim Savchuk and Daisy Syndelara. The court decided that the information contained journalists reason for the entry register of pre-trial investigation of crime information.

    Pechersk District Court, among others, observed that the employee Prosecutor General's Office sent a statement regarding the alleged crime to land lower-level prosecutors. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Нацсовет отказался продлить лицензию телеканала 112 Украина
    The National Council refused to renew the license channel 112 Ukraine
    Today, 15:42

    Next week, the regulator will consider issuing warnings channel 112

    On Thursday, June 11 the National Council on Television and Radio refused the renewal of the license channel 112 Ukraine.

    According to the press service of the channel , in addition, the National Council postponed consideration of the possible removal of warnings on television next week.

    During the meeting the head of the National Council Yuriy Artemenko said that 112 Ukraine has not fixed the actual performance of broadcasting and continues to violate the terms of the license.

    In turn, representatives of TV channel called the regulator's decision unlawful. "We will apply for renewal of the program concept is the National Council has fulfilled its mandate," - said the head of the legal service of the channel Basil Sour.

    Recall that appeared in July 2013. media channel 112 associated with the Cabinet of Ministers Mykola Azarov. In particular, it was considered the owner of the former Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko.

    During Maidan channel accused of biased presentation of the material, and repeatedly accuses as fast arriving at the scene, which today are different crews Kremlin propaganda channels. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:The European Parliament recommended that the Hague to do the occupation atrocities Russia
    Европарламент рекомендовал Гааге заняться оккупационными злодеяниями России
    Today, 16:44

    The European Parliament called on the Hague tribunal to examine crime in Moscow

    The European Parliament called on the Ukrainian government, the international community, including the Hague tribunal to launch an investigation of war crimes committed during the illegal annexation of the Crimea and the conflict in the Donbass.

    The relevant resolution was voted on Thursday in Strasbourg during the plenary session of the European Parliament, wrote UNIAN .

    "EP urges the Ukrainian government to use all the tools at its disposal to investigate all war crimes committed on its territory; calls on the international community, including the Hague tribunal to launch an investigation of potential crimes committed during the illegal annexation of the Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine "- said in a resolution.

    EP also condemned human rights violations in Crimea that occur from the time of occupation by Russian troops . Continue reading.

    The New York Times wrote:Russian Groups Crowdfund the War in Ukraine
    By JO BECKER and STEVEN LEE MYERSJUNE 11, 2015

    WASHINGTON — The Novorossiya Humanitarian Battalion boasts on its website that it provided funds to buy a pair of binoculars used by rebels in eastern Ukraine to spot and destroy an armored vehicle. Another group, Save the Donbass, solicits donations using a photograph of a mortar shell inscribed with its web address and the names of donors. Yet another, Veche, states that its mission is to “create modern, combat-ready” military units fighting Ukraine’s central government.

    These organizations are part of an online campaign that is brazenly raising money for the war in eastern Ukraine, using common tactics that have at least tacit support from the government of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. Although they often portray their mission as humanitarian, most of the groups explicitly endorse the armed insurgency and vow to help equip forces in the two regions at the centre of the fighting, Donetsk and Luhansk.

    An examination by The New York Times of the groups’ websites, social media postings and other records found more than a dozen groups in Russia that are raising money for the separatists, aiding a conflict that has killed more than 6,400 people and plunged Russia’s relations with the West to depths not seen since the Cold War. Continue reading.

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    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/putins-logic-vs-strelkovs-logic.html

    Wrong wrong wrong. The Ukraine coup was NOT on February 22. It started in November 2013. Russia should have acted immediately to stop Maidan. That was WAY before winter olympics.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:49 pm

    Zackarchenko has announced only independence of Donbas is acceptable, not autonomy. Therefore Putin will have to wake up and realize he's beating a dead horse. Donbas will never be part of Ukraine the way Putin wants it to be. END of STOOOOOOOOOOOORY wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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    Post  Flagship Victory Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:51 pm

    2 Maidan bastards KIA and 13 more WIA yesterday.

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