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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

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    Post  Neutrality Fri May 29, 2015 7:33 pm

    Poroshenko said the leadership of DNR and LNR are godless and homeless people with guns. lol!

    What does that say about the Ukrainian army when homeless people are able to beat the shit out of something that's supposed to be an organized force?
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 7:54 pm

    The Guardian wrote:Russian internet 'troll' sues former employer
    Anna Dolgov for The Moscow Times, part of the New East network Friday 29 May 2015 13.48 BST

    Lyudmila Savchuk says lawsuit will shed light on secretive practice of paying people to post political comments online. The Moscow Times reports

    A former Russian internet “troll” hired to promote political views online is suing her ex-employer in an attempt to draw attention to the country’s “information war” , a news report said on Friday.
    The grounds for the lawsuit filed by Lyudmila Savchuk, which is expected to be heard by a St Petersburg city court next month, is the employer’s failure to provide any labour contract or other paperwork supporting her hiring and eventual dismissal, Kommersant reported.

    Savchuk said she was fired after speaking to the media about her employer, Internet Research, which she described as part of Russia’s “troll factory”.

    Internet Research is reported to be linked to another company with a similar name, Internet Research Agency, which in the spring merged with a firm called New Technologies, whose official registration documents identify it as a construction company.

    “The ‘troll factory’ operates based on very weird schemes, but all those firms are connected to each other, even though they are separate legal entities,” Savchuk was quoted as saying.

    Since her dismissal, Savchuk has been organising a public movement against online trolling called Informatsionny Mir – a name that can be translated both as “Information World” and “Information Peace”.

    “There are both opposition activists and supporters of the government among us, but we all believe that such methods of information war are unacceptable,” she said.

    Internet Research was not immediately available for comment.

    Lawyer Darya Sukhikh from St Petersburg-based human rights organisation Kommanda-29 (Team-29), which is representing Savchuk, told Kommersant that the lawsuit was “a pretext to force this rather secretive organisation into public view”, allowing lawyers to demand documentation.

    Savchuk said she was hired in December after responding to a job advert. She said she had been asked to work 12-hour shifts posting political comments on various websites for a monthly salary of 41,000 roubles ($778), which was paid in cash until her dismissal in March. Continue reading.

    The Star wrote:Meet the ‘Kremlin trolls’, the humans behind Putin’s propaganda machinery
    By: Luliia Subbotovska The Associated Press, Published on Fri May 29 2015

    The operation that has worried the EU is drawing Serbia away from its EU membership path, convinced people that Ukraine is neo-Nazi and Putin was right to annex Crimea.

    ST. PETERSBURG, RUSSIA—Deep inside a four-storey marble building in St. Petersburg, hundreds of workers tap away at computers on the frontlines of an information war, say those who have been inside.

    Known as “Kremlin trolls,” the men and women work 12-hour shifts around the clock, flooding the Internet with propaganda aimed at stamping President Vladimir Putin’s world vision on Russia, and the world.

    The Kremlin has always dabbled in propaganda, but in the past year its troll campaign has gone into overdrive, adding hundreds of online operatives to help counter Western pressure over its role in the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

    The program is drawing Serbia away from its proclaimed EU membership path and closer to the Russian orbit, and is targeting Germany, the United States and other Western powers. The operation has worried the European Union enough to prompt it to draw up a blueprint for fighting Russia’s disinformation campaign, although details have not yet been released.

    Lyuda Savchuk, a single mother with two children, worked in the St. Petersburg “troll factory” until mid-March. The 34-year-old journalist said she had some idea of the Orwellian universe she was entering when she took the job, but underestimated its intensity and scope.

    “I knew it was something bad, but of course I never suspected that it was this horrible and this large-scale,” she said in an interview in her apartment, which has colourful drawings on the walls for her two preschool-age children.

    She described how the trolls manage several social media accounts under different nicknames. Those in her department had to bash out 160 blog posts during a 12-hour shift. Trolls in other departments flooded the Internet with doctored images and pro-Putin commentary on news stories that crop up on Russian and Western news portals.

    In some departments, she said, the trolls receive daily talking points on what to write and what emotions to evoke. “It seems to me that they don’t know what they are doing,” Savchuk said. “They simply repeat what they are told.”

    She said most of the trolls are young and are attracted by relatively high monthly salaries of 40,000 to 50,000 rubles ($800 to $1,000 U.S.). Continue reading.

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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 8:07 pm

    Sputnik wrote:French Ex-President: Regional Autonomy May Resolve Ukrainian Conflict
    EUROPE 20:27 29.05.2015(updated 20:39 29.05.2015)

    Granting of autonomy to regions in the Eastern Ukraine, which will remain a part of the country, but have their own local government and administration, may help to resolve the Ukrainian crisis, former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing said.

    The decentralization and the establishment of autonomous regions will help to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, Giscard d'Estaing said in an interview with the television channel "Russia-24".

    "There are people with a different history within these boundaries. There are serious tensions between them, particularly, between the people in the east, the population in central regions and residents of Polish descent in the west,” former French President said.

    According to him, the solution could be a deep decentralization, when the central government does not interfere in all aspects of the country’s life.

    “It is possible to create autonomous regions — Ukrainian regions which will remain part of the country, but will be self-sufficient, have their own local government, elections and local administration," he argued.

    Giscard d'Estaing also stressed that such a model is quite common in Europe. As an example, he referred to Catalonia in Spain and Scotland in the United Kingdom. Continue reading.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri May 29, 2015 8:13 pm

    Did any of those western retards ever proof the so called Putin's trolls that are paid to fight internet war?

    Because we know for a fact with documents and from whisteblowers and former CIA and Mi6 agents that the CIA and GCHQ have such agents that are rampaging across internet and even under RT comments, same we know for Israel which is even open about it and seeks openly for israeli students to fight on internet for Israel.

    So are their actual facts and evidences or just claims from the west, because it is hard to follow with that the West claims and what it actually could provide as evidence so far?
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 29, 2015 8:15 pm

    whir wrote:
    The Guardian wrote:Russian internet 'troll' sues former employer
    Anna Dolgov for The Moscow Times, part of the New East network Friday 29 May 2015 13.48 BST

    Lyudmila Savchuk says lawsuit will shed light on secretive practice of paying people to post political comments online. The Moscow Times reports

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    The Star wrote:Meet the ‘Kremlin trolls’, the humans behind Putin’s propaganda machinery
    By: Luliia Subbotovska The Associated Press, Published on Fri May 29 2015

    The operation that has worried the EU is drawing Serbia away from its EU membership path, convinced people that Ukraine is neo-Nazi and Putin was right to annex Crimea.

    ................................................................
    According to this, I have been "trolling" in the name of Dark and Mighty Putin for nearly 12 months now without a single paycheck.  lol!
    Did rest of you guys got some cash or have you been working pro bono as well?  

    Oh, about that "drawing Serbia away from its EU membership path". EU has been doing great job with that all by themselves.  Razz
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    Post  Werewolf Fri May 29, 2015 8:17 pm

    Haven't seen a paycheck, but i am certainly a Putinversteher and Kremlin Bot, because it is not possible to see reality like it is it must be Putin paying people to see things how they are. There are no Coup de etats of the west only Kremlin paid trolls believe that.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri May 29, 2015 8:19 pm

    These reports about a Russian "troll" army suggests that someone out there in the higher ranks doesn't like that certain people on certain boards make constructive posts which put Ukraine in a negative spotlight pirat

    On other boards I've been called a Kremlin paid agent and a "resident". So flattering.
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 8:26 pm

    Werewolf wrote:So are their actual facts and evidences or just claims from the west, because it is hard to follow with that the West claims and what it actually could provide as evidence so far?
    The evidence is the existence of pro-russian comments Laughing.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 29, 2015 8:32 pm

    Russia officially declared the two captured Russian soldiers as mercenaries. Any thoughts?

    http://uatoday.tv/politics/russia-says-two-captured-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-are-mercenaries-430154.html
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 8:45 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Russia officially declared the two captured Russian soldiers as mercenaries. Any thoughts?
    The consul has also said they are LPR policemen Rolling Eyes.
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 8:54 pm

    Ukrinform via Google Translate wrote:Саакашвілі призначений головою Одеської ОДА
    Saakashvili appointed chairman of the Odessa Regional State Administration
    21:16 29.05.2015

    Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili appointed chairman of the Odessa Regional State Administration.

    This Ukrinform reported a source in the Presidential Administration.

    According to the source, the official presentation will take place tomorrow.

    Purpose Saakashvili Odesa governor also confirmed Environment Minister Igor Shevchenko on his page in Facebook .

    Currently, ex-president of Georgia is on Bankova. Continue reading.

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    Post  Guest Fri May 29, 2015 8:56 pm

    Neutrality wrote:These reports about a Russian "troll" army suggests that someone out there in the higher ranks doesn't like that certain people on certain boards make constructive posts which put Ukraine in a negative spotlight pirat

    On other boards I've been called a Kremlin paid agent and a "resident". So flattering.
    We all are already marked as "terrorists" by Kiev. Very Happy


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    Post  Neutrality Fri May 29, 2015 8:57 pm

    If there's money to be made by simply defending the truth, please PM me. Laughing

    (no seriously, please.)
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    Post  Monarchist Fri May 29, 2015 9:06 pm

    whir wrote:
    Ukrinform via Google Translate wrote:Саакашвілі призначений головою Одеської ОДА
    Saakashvili appointed chairman of the Odessa Regional State Administration
    21:16 29.05.2015

    Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili appointed chairman of the Odessa Regional State Administration.

    This Ukrinform reported a source in the Presidential Administration.

    According to the source, the official presentation will take place tomorrow.

    Purpose Saakashvili Odesa governor also confirmed Environment Minister Igor Shevchenko on his page in Facebook .

    Currently, ex-president of Georgia is on Bankova. Continue reading.

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    Why this reaction? They are basically pi***** Russia in the face because they can. Odessa is a clearly pro-russian but under occupation.
    Even Moldova that is a banana republic is threatening and laughing at Russia. It doesn't surprise me things will only get worse.
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 9:34 pm

    Monarchist wrote:Why this reaction? They are basically pi***** Russia in the face because they can. Odessa is a clearly pro-russian but under occupation.
    Even Moldova that is a banana republic is threatening and laughing at Russia. It doesn't surprise me things will only get worse.
    Because he had no problem shelling civilians or killing unarmed protesters? It's like pouring gasoline onto a fire.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 29, 2015 9:35 pm

    This is a good report.. remember what i told you..
    of 100% of Ukraine conflict and the coup against Yakunovych = Economic war against Russia.



    European Union sanctions against Russia are up for renewal. To prevent them from being lifted some additional NATO propaganda hyping the Russia threat and warning of an imminent invasion if Ukraine is necessary.

    Reuters is always willing to be helpful with this. Consider its record of uncritical ExclusiveNews on the topic:

    March 13 2014 Russia Masses Troops Near Ukraine
    April 10 2014 NATO Chief: 40,000 Russian Troops Amassed Near Ukraine’s Border
    April 13 2014 Well-equipped Russian troops amass near Ukraine border -Britain
    May 28 2014 Russia May Have 40,000 Troops Near Ukraine’s Border: US sources
    July 14 2014 NATO estimates Russia has 10,000-12,000 troops near Ukraine border
    July 25 2014 More than 15,000 Russian troops along Ukraine border -U.S. envoy
    July 30 2014 Russia increasing troops, moving towards Ukraine border
    August 6 2014 NATO says Russia could be poised to invade Ukraine
    August 11 2014 Ukraine says Russia has massed 45,000 troops on joint border
    November 4 2014 Russian troops moving closer to Ukraine border: NATO chief
    November 7 2014 NATO sees increase in Russian troops along Ukraine border
    March 28 2015 Russia May Have 40,000 Troops Near Ukraine’s Border: US sources
    May 27 2015 Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness
    In none of the above stories have I seen any real reporting with a critical assessment of the veracity of such news.

    Russia, like any normal state, always has some troops near its borders as well as training areas for larger unit exercises. Troops moving within the wider border area is simply normal.

    Some 90% of the Canadian army is stationed less than a hundred miles from the U.S. border. When will Reuters finally manage to report that threat of an immediate invasion?


    http://russia-insider.com/en/reuters-exclusive-russian-troops-near-ukraines-border/ri7537

    All PR = Public relations statements ,of NATO chief and western Anglozinist media, is 100% aimed at civilians in US and Europe.. what they seek is brainwash public opinion ,to create the illusion of an "imminent against Russia" , and scare people in Europe about "Evil Russia" about  how they are going to invade Europe and need to be stopped.. why the paranoia?  To justify the sales of (unnecessary more) american weapons and the militarization of eastern Europe and the arming with lethal weapons Ukraine. but more than anything the propaganda against Russia seeks the isolation and containment of Russia economy from Europe.  even if that means damaging European Economy and business..because according to US Gov and its propaganda trolls is for their own good and their own security.   Rolling Eyes

    So they create an artificial threat of Russia aggression , to brainwash europeans that Russia is
    Bad and they are good guys.. and that anything Russia will do is evil. All this is not only important for them , to sabotage Russia economy from europe.. but also to justify if for example
    they cut buying Gas from Gazprom (at the pressure of Americans) and start buying liquid gas twice more expensive.

    The brainwashing of society is also important for US and its parrots.. because in case of any
    conflict really start.. (provoked by them).. that no matter who start the fight ,that Russia will be
    blamed for it.. as the aggressor..  

    IF for example..NATO did not had that propanganda campaign against Russia ,it will be difficult
    for US and its club of puppets to keep the economic warfare on Russia. And the bigger risk also could be if NATO ends in a limited conflict/war with Russia.. for any trigger happy general ,where a warship or combat plane destroyed .. that they will have the justification and support of its citizens..  by saying.. it was Russia fault.  Russia agression ,see ? we told you so to be prepared ..

    So is funny and sad at the same time how the average population in the west is mislead by
    Charlatans ,while at the same time they justifying a genocide of civilians ,a criminal war  by Ukraine on its own people ,by bombing every day civilians women and children.

    All this propaganda is effective.. because stadistically the majority of Population in countries
    like US and Europe are brainwashed ,dumbed down.. and not ever worry much about international news.. only about local scandals and trivial things..of cheating of famous people in the country. and when they just simply when want to see international news.. turn on either CNN or the Mainstream Media of NATO in Europe..and receive the same propaganda over and over again..of NATO , If you ask most of your family members what happens in Ukraine ,they will not even know where is located..or even less know whats is happening there.. but they all will assume that because France 24 or Reuters or CNN or BBC say it.. then it must be true..

    A new internet generation will be needed where people no longer see news using TV but internet instead and they all know how to search for it..
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    Post  max steel Fri May 29, 2015 10:15 pm

    Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry

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    Post  Guest Fri May 29, 2015 10:18 pm

    max steel wrote: Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine  attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry

    I hope he brought his ties with him.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Fri May 29, 2015 10:23 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    max steel wrote: Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine  attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry

    I hope he brought his ties with him.

    Hopefully someone will walk into his office and put a couple of round shaped holes in his forehead.

    With idiots like him around, you know that the regimes time is limited.
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    Post  gregoire Fri May 29, 2015 10:47 pm

    max steel wrote: Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine  attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry


    That's actually good news. The clowns have managed to appoint a bigger fool. Chuckling already.
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    Post  franco Fri May 29, 2015 10:57 pm

    max steel wrote: Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine  attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry


    He is there to command the invasion of Transnistria.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri May 29, 2015 10:57 pm

    Many times conflicts are pre-planned a decade, sometimes decades in advance...I'm going to re-post this photo and carefully re-examine it:

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14 - Page 32 CBk0cJnVIAAqZpk

    This was back in 2005, just a year after the Orange color revolution (nearly a decade prior to the current Ukrainian civil war), where the Iron Maidan's succeeded in a 'people-power-coup'. Here on the likely orders of the US State Dept. The Orange Revolution govt. went about destroying stockpiles of weapons in the vicinity of Donetsk (at the airport even)...could this likely of been some of the earliest preparations to undermine any kind of resistance from Novo forces?

    The fact that Obama was present is pretty outstanding, clearly he (B.O.) was hand picked to be groomed back in his Academia (or should I say Quackademia) days by one of the world's most rabid but yet influential Russophobes...none other than the infamous Zbignew Brzezinski. There were some knowledgeable voice's from of all places the United States, who predicted that Zbignew's Manchurian candidate (B.O.) was being groomed not only to run for the presidency, but to re-start the Cold War, and create an environment of hostile US-Russia relations.

    The fact that Obama was clearly sent to Ukraine to make confirmation towards the Yulyia puppet regime, that the maximum amount of weapon stockpiles in Donetsk would be destroyed...just gives me goosebumps now looking back in hind sight, knowing what the actual purpose was and the early preparations that they were making!!!
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 29, 2015 10:58 pm

    whir wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Russia officially declared the two captured Russian soldiers as mercenaries. Any thoughts?
    The consul has also said they are LPR policemen Rolling Eyes.

    So they won't get bail then? What a Face
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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 29, 2015 11:01 pm

    franco wrote:
    max steel wrote: Breaking news : Mikheil Saakashvali the US backed neolib/con has just been appointed governor of occupied Odessa by the Putsch regime of Ukraine  attack attack

    Not the Onion . angry


    He is there to command the invasion of Transnistria.

    Supreme lulz if he gets his ass beat and ends up eating his tie again over the exact same thing as before - killing Russian soldiers

    Seriously I know the Ukr leadership are retards; but even they can't be blind to the irony and stupidity of appointing Saaka to command a war against Russian peacekeepers.

    This news has got to be fake.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 29, 2015 11:53 pm

    29th of May, 2015. Lugansk People's Republic, Novorossiya. Gennadiy Moskal, the head of the territories controlled by the Ukrainian army, has ordered to close the crossing point over the blown bridge near Stanitsa Luganskaya for 60 days, the commander of the LPR Territorial Defence Battalion “Ataman” told the Lugansk Information Center. “The checkpoint on the Ukrainian side has been closed. For two days, they allowed no one through, not the disabled, or pregnant women, or old people; no one can get there, or come here from there. There are very rare exceptions to this rule. According to the information I have, the closure of this last remaining crossing point on the line of contact between the LPR people's militia and the Ukrainian side was due to personal orders from Moskal. Of course, people still try to cross… some did today… but no one succeeded,” – the commander said. The LPR fighter serving at a post near the blown bridge told the Lugansk Information Center that a spontaneous rally had occurred yesterday at the local village council building. “Several hundred people gathered to demand free crossing. Ukrainian forces dispersed the rally. They beat people with rifle butts, and even arrested some of them,” – he said. It is neccessary to remind that on the morning of 22 May, without explanation, Ukrainian forces blocked access to pedestrians crossing the bridge between Lugansk and Stanitsa Luganskaya. When OSCE representatives arrived on-scene, they decided that the crossing-point in the village would remain open during the day, whenever there was no gunfire in the area. On the morning of 23 May, Ukrainian forces partially started to allow people to pass into Stanitsa Luganskaya, but only those, who are registered in their area of control. And only those who are registered in the LPR could pass into Lugansk.In the afternoon of 24 May, the crossing reopened. At the moment, the bridge over the Seversky Donets is the only crossing-point for locals. Before the war, Stanitsa Luganskaya had 15,000 people. One should note that the bridge is a vital transportation artery, linking the village with Lugansk, where the villagers work and their families live. The agricultural production, including private greenhouses of Stanitsa Luganskaya, plays a major role in Lugansk’s food supply. wrote:

    http://lug-info.com/news/one/moskal-zakryl-peshii-perekhod-k-stanitse-luganskoi-na-60-dnei-komandir-terbatalona-lnr-3586

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