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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat May 16, 2015 3:57 pm

    From The Situation In Ukraine facebook

    A rally calling to resignation of Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko is being held in Kiev. About 6 000 of its participants carry Ukrainian flags and chant "Order or down with you!", "Down with the crazy authorities!"

    Ukrainian actor and journalist Yuriy Kot posted pictures of the manifestation on his Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000294424715

    Ukrainian official media prefer to ignore the rally of protest.



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    Post  kvs Sat May 16, 2015 3:58 pm

    From whir's post:

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/gdp-decline-in-ukraine-accelerates-to-176-percent-in-q1-2015-statistics-388663.html

    Recall how Moody's forecast a Ukraine GDP drop of 2% in 2015:

    http://www.credo-line.com/en/media/news/Moodys-predicts-Ukraines-GDP-to-fall-by-8-this-year-and-2-in-the-next-year.htm

    It is clear that the GDP decline in Ukraine is accumulating to be over 20% in 2015. The collapse became apparent in late 2014
    and is not slowing down.

    So we have a "credible" western ratings agency predicting a 2% when anyone who paid any attention could have predicted
    as much as 30%. Why should any western assessment of Ukraine or Russia be trusted? It is a pack of obvious lies and
    wishful thinking.
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    Post  Neutrality Sat May 16, 2015 4:11 pm



    Does anyone know how that specific digital uniform the guys wearing, is called? Like the guy with the beard and the Saint George's band. Much appreciated.
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    Post  Viktor Sat May 16, 2015 4:13 pm

    Nazi government of Ukraine has done it again ..

    Ukraine's GDP in I quarter decreased by 17.6%
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat May 16, 2015 4:23 pm

    Here is where Kot was beaten in 2013

    Ukraine: Pro-government journalist Yuri Kot beaten by strangers
    Unknown men beat heavily journalist Yury Kot who appeared as a Master of Ceremony at the Antimaidan concert for Yanukovich supporters on Saturday.
    12-16-2013

    http://euroradio.fm/en/antimaidan-presenter-yuri-kot-beaten-strangers
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    Post  flamming_python Sat May 16, 2015 4:55 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nazi government of Ukraine has done it again ..

    Ukraine's GDP in I quarter decreased by 17.6%

    Nazi is as Nazi does, Viktor.

    To be fair, and many have brought this point up before - it's not right to call the Ukrainian regime Nazis.

    The Nazis actually built-up Germany's economy, built-up a mighty military and conquered almost all of Europe.

    The only thing the idiots in Kiev have accomplished in comparison - is similarly brainwashing their population. That's all they've done. Just put all that money into PR, smoke and mirrors, bling and flash. But they've initiated the collapse of their own country more than anything.
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    Post  Neutrality Sat May 16, 2015 5:02 pm

    So this Facebook fiasco continues. Lenta.ru reports that Ukrainian FB users (apparently 50,000 of them) want to boycott the social network by deactivating their accounts for 2 days. This is comedy gold. Judging by myself they won't be able to live without Facebook for more than a day lol!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 16, 2015 5:20 pm

    How Pukrainian slime treat WW2 veterans who where St. Georges Ribbon:

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    Post  Regular Sat May 16, 2015 5:37 pm

    Ukrainian ideology is way more idiotic than Nazism. They have no future plans, they have no unified ideas apart from etnofashism. War is needed to hold this country (or whats left out of it) together.

    And that video.. Just makes me fuckkng angry. He said that Georgian ribbon is provoking, he was polite towards old man and old man wasn't saying anything too. And then they acted like little cunts. Wtf them idiots are old, not kids who cant understand their actions. It just shows that mentality of Ukraine is really fucked up.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat May 16, 2015 6:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nazi government of Ukraine has done it again ..

    Ukraine's GDP in I quarter decreased by 17.6%

    Nazi is as Nazi does, Viktor.

    To be fair, and many have brought this point up before - it's not right to call the Ukrainian regime Nazis.

    The Nazis actually built-up Germany's economy, built-up a mighty military and conquered almost all of Europe.

    The only thing the idiots in Kiev have accomplished in comparison - is similarly brainwashing their population. That's all they've done. Just put all that money into PR, smoke and mirrors, bling and flash. But they've initiated the collapse of their own country more than anything.

    You are quite right, they are not Nazi's (National Socialist) they are Xenoazi working for the benefit of Israel and US, because they are the ones that benefit from ukrainian resources and decline and genocide of russians.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sat May 16, 2015 6:05 pm

    and another one bites the dust

    http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/one-ukrainian-soldier-killed-3-wounded-in-war-torn-east-115051600861_1.html
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    Post  whir Sat May 16, 2015 7:29 pm

    Arthur Senko wrote:Shocking footage of abuse of Ukrainian prisoners.

    17 Канал wrote:Soldiers of volunteer battalion changing food for prisoners

    opasnie wrote:Andrei Filatov (ANNA) wounded. Somalia, Spartak, Day 3
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat May 16, 2015 11:17 pm

    Patrick Lancaster @PLnewstoday  ·  29m 29 minutes ago

    [quote=" Just spoke to some people living near Donetsk trainstation said heavy shelling there.After DNR curfew so wont be there till early morning."[/quote]

    Residents near the Donetsk airport say they "want peace," but "Ukrainian army shoots often"


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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun May 17, 2015 12:33 am

    The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150515/1022157700.html

    Fortunately, Lugansk makes ammo, because Putin will never send any arms to NAF.
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    Post  Erk Sun May 17, 2015 1:28 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150515/1022157700.html

    Fortunately, Lugansk makes ammo, because Putin will never send any arms to NAF.

    Just because Putin wont send arms, it doesn't mean the NAF cant get the arms it needs, all you need is money and contacts. A sponsoring oligarch and the world is your military oyster.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun May 17, 2015 1:30 am

    Erk wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150515/1022157700.html

    Fortunately, Lugansk makes ammo, because Putin will never send any arms to NAF.

    Just because Putin wont send arms, it doesn't mean the NAF cant get the arms it needs, all you need is money and contacts. A sponsoring oligarch and the world is your military oyster.

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    Post  Guest Sun May 17, 2015 2:05 am

    Erk wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150515/1022157700.html

    Fortunately, Lugansk makes ammo, because Putin will never send any arms to NAF.

    Just because Putin wont send arms, it doesn't mean the NAF cant get the arms it needs, all you need is money and contacts. A sponsoring oligarch and the world is your military oyster.
    Russia doesn't need to send the NAF arms because all the lethal aid sent by the US will end up in NAF hands by the time the next cauldron is complete.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun May 17, 2015 2:07 am

    Erk wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150515/1022157700.html

    Fortunately, Lugansk makes ammo, because Putin will never send any arms to NAF.

    Just because Putin wont send arms, it doesn't mean the NAF cant get the arms it needs, all you need is money and contacts. A sponsoring oligarch and the world is your military oyster.

    Yep... All Putin and RUssia needs to do is not to interfere in the shipment of weapons from Abkhazia and Donetsk.. turn to the other side.. Russia Government is likely helping a lot but not directly , Oligarchs and private security firms ,are doing everything with the nod of the government.  

    probably there is a lot of expert assistance ,mechanics , trainers , Engineers in Donetsk, helping donetsk to setup its own mini defense industry.. in preparation for the closing of the border.. that is part of Minsk-2 agreement.  MAnufacturing of assault rifles is a very easy thing.. in pakistan you can get an ak-47 withing 2 hours done manually by elder artisans.. using a hammer ,metal and other things.. is not rocket science.. they also manufacture munitions.
    they also repair their own tanks... so knowledge how to do anything will never be a problem for
    the rebels..

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun May 17, 2015 2:35 am

    Intense firefight. NAF using small arms and a 23 mm AA gun because not allowed to use heavy weapons because of Minsk. UAF using mortars and ATGM not restricted by Minsk. This differential in heavy weapons NAF not allowed to use UAF allowed to use puts NAF at a significant disadvantage Shocked Thanks Putin. Can't wait for Putin to be out of office. 3 more years. Yes We Can! cheers

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    Post  collegeboy16 Sun May 17, 2015 2:44 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?
    jammers are lethal aids now?
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    Post  Neutrality Sun May 17, 2015 3:26 am

    Nuland is going to Moscow this Sunday. I don't know why it's so soon because she's basically Kerry's deputy and Kerry himself has visited Moscow just a few days ago. Why the sudden rush? Obama right now is doing heavy lobbying in the Middle East, assuring security (the recently announced anti-rocket shield). McCain refused to be one of Poroshenko's advisors and apparently other members have bailed too ( I don't know who specifically these people are). I don't want to sound overly optimistic but I really think Poroshenko is being dumped in an accelerated pace. Something major is going to happen very soon but I can't pinpoint exactly what.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 17, 2015 3:27 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:Intense firefight. NAF using small arms and a 23 mm AA gun because not allowed to use heavy weapons because of Minsk. UAF using mortars and ATGM not restricted by Minsk. This differential in heavy weapons NAF not allowed to use UAF allowed to use puts NAF at a significant disadvantage Shocked Thanks Putin. Can't wait for Putin to be out of office. 3 more years. Yes We Can!  cheers


    You are focusing on the short term tactical response to US/EU aggression rather than the long-term strategic management of the global re-organisation of economy/finance & geo-politics in the form of Eurasian Integration. The US intends its Ukr powerplay and sanctions assault to be a blocking move towards preventing closer economic links between RF and EU, distracting the RF from its leading role in the global de-dollarisation campaign, and undermining Chinese confidence in their Russian partners in the hope that it will take the wind out of the sails of the New Silk Road project. The latter are ESSENTIAL to the interests of the Russian state and people and cannot be put in jeopardy simply to appease the knee-jerk reaction that Mordor on the Potomac is actively seeking.

    Putin is playing his cards close and playing a smart game. He is playing the long game, while Obama is looking only a few years ahead and focusing on the here and now. Putin is calculating, correctly in my judgement, that the way to succeed is to build the economy and integrate with the BRICS, undermine the USD by dropping its use in inter-BRICS business and thereby weaken the source of US financial hegemony, and simply wait while the tyrannical Nulandistani regime falls on its own sword as the public inevitably looses faith in the crazy ratbags that have seized power. S & E of Ukraine are ethnic Russians, and as long as full-scale war doesn't break out between Ukr and RF, the current rift will heal in the minds of the public. The Ukrop regime may try to poison peoples minds with their ultra-nationalist agitprop, but people have a way of realising they are being lied to (witness the apathy of USSR and east-Euro people to the monolithic state-media approach during communist times).

    The RF will ENSURE that Novorossiya will NOT FALL. That is enough, and anymore risks giving those USGov neo-con cvntz the excuse they are looking for to heat up the conflict. The passage of time (and pursuit of the muli-polar agenda) will do the rest....
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    Post  Erk Sun May 17, 2015 3:28 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:The US begins shipping lethal arms to Ukarine. Will we see M16 / M4 rifles and 5.56 45 ammo used by UAF?
    jammers are lethal aids now?

    All field equipment which helps you kill the opponent can be classed as lethal aid in some way or another, be it flack jackets, or night vision goggles.


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 17, 2015 3:32 am

    Neutrality wrote:Nuland is going to Moscow this Sunday. I don't know why it's so soon because she's basically Kerry's deputy and Kerry himself has visited Moscow just a few days ago. Why the sudden rush? Obama right now is doing heavy lobbying in the Middle East, assuring security (the recently announced anti-rocket shield). McCain refused to be one of Poroshenko's advisors and apparently other members have bailed too ( I don't know who specifically these people are). I don't want to sound overly optimistic but I really think Poroshenko is being dumped in an accelerated pace. Something major is going to happen very soon but I can't pinpoint exactly what.

    It beats me why they allow that evil b!tch onto Russian soil. They should give her the Rudolph Hess treatment - prompt arrest and lock-up for the rest of her miserable life (which can be significantly shortened in a multitude of ways....)

    Meh, its a hopeless wish of course, but one needs to dream...
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    Post  Erk Sun May 17, 2015 4:21 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Nuland is going to Moscow this Sunday. I don't know why it's so soon because she's basically Kerry's deputy and Kerry himself has visited Moscow just a few days ago. Why the sudden rush? Obama right now is doing heavy lobbying in the Middle East, assuring security (the recently announced anti-rocket shield). McCain refused to be one of Poroshenko's advisors and apparently other members have bailed too ( I don't know who specifically these people are). I don't want to sound overly optimistic but I really think Poroshenko is being dumped in an accelerated pace. Something major is going to happen very soon but I can't pinpoint exactly what.

    It beats me why they allow that evil b!tch onto Russian soil.  They should give her the Rudolph Hess treatment - prompt arrest and lock-up for the rest of her miserable life (which can be significantly shortened in a multitude of ways....)

    Meh, its a hopeless wish of course, but one needs to dream...

    If she was a problem someone would have gotten her out of the way ages ago. She is basically incompetent, probably got the job through family contacts, not talent.

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