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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat May 30, 2020 5:46 am

    https://news.antiwar.com/2020/05/28/us-to-send-trainers-to-colombia-for-cocaine-operations/

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/failed-maduro-coup-leader-flew-041747079.html

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-armys-new-adviser-unit-is-supposed-to-help-fight-drug-cartels-in-colombia-but-some-think-theyre-being-deployed-to-send-a-message-to-neighboring-venezuela/ar-BB14LAqQ


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 pm

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-support-venezuela-against-regime-change-navy-1513122?piano_t=1

    Not too long from now Brazil may be the next domino to fall from the US lap.

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2994986.html


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    Post  Aristide on Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:08 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-support-venezuela-against-regime-change-navy-1513122?piano_t=1

    Not too long from now Brazil may be the next domino to fall from the US lap.

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2994986.html

    Brazil wont become a eastern communist shithole though. Brazilians are individualists, like the french. We dont accept rubbish like communism
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:21 am

    But u had socialist run gov. before. Canada, Austria & Sweden had elements of socialism for many years. No1 plans to build communism anymore, even China & NK. Venezuela is socialist with elements of capitalism, just like China & Vietnam.
    Brazil is just a huge "banana republic" with few industries. Agriculture, big size, large military, & natural resources r what makes it a regional power.
    https://www.pravdareport.com/world/144608-brazil_crisis/


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    Post  par far on Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:33 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-support-venezuela-against-regime-change-navy-1513122?piano_t=1

    Not too long from now Brazil may be the next domino to fall from the US lap.

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2994986.html

    Brazil wont become a eastern communist shithole though. Brazilians are individualists, like the french. We dont accept rubbish like communism

    The French only accepts Islamism of their country.

    Bolsonaro has fucked with everyone in Brazil, the police, the military and everyone else. It is hard to rule now for Bolsonaro.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:16 pm

    par far wrote:
    Bolsonaro has fucked with everyone in Brazil, the police, the military and everyone else. It is hard to rule now for Bolsonaro.

    But, but he was the US choice, he has to stay.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 am

    Nicaragua's Somoza was too.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:35 am

    You can moan about communism all you want Aristide, but Chavez and Maduro providing housing for the poor and providing education and health care means instead of a country of beggers, he has a country of people who can work and earn a proper living... and they supported him and kept him in power when most European countries would have folded like an origami flamingo...

    I know the concept is alien in the west... the rich bribe the politicians and become richer and who cares about anyone else...
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Nicaragua's Somoza was too.

    somoza was a dicactor, an one family sultanistic regime. Bolsonaro was voted by brazilians unfortunately..
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:25 pm

    Trump may get evicted from the White House by the 2021. Good luck to Bolsonaro then.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:45 am

    The real problem is accountability, you can pretty much say anything you like to get voted in... there are dozens of companies that spend enormous amounts of money to find out what the people want and why the vote the way they do and all that can be used to get anyone elected... the problem is that that information is available to anyone with the money to buy it.

    Once they are voted in they can do as they please within reason and still have a chance of getting reelected if the opposition are idiots and have unknowns as candidates... better the devil you know... an unknown is a risk and the economy and markets don't like risk... vote for me...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:01 am

    As 1 Jewish saying goes, "a home town thief is better than a strange rabbi".

    https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-mutation-explained.html


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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:16 am

    Venezuelan opposition refuses to take part in December parliamentary elections


    The document was signed by 27 parties, including parliamentary ones - Popular Will, Democratic Action and Justice First

    MEXICO CITY, August 3. /TASS/. Venezuela’s main opposition parties said in a joint statement published on Sunday night they refused to take part in the upcoming parliamentary elections, scheduled for early December.

    "Having exhausted all effort both inside the country and beyond its borders to achieve a competitive election that would ensure the people’s sovereign will is respected, we, the democratic political organizations of Venezuela, inform the country’s people and the international community that we unanimously decided not to take part in the electoral fraud, organized by the Maduro regime," the statement reads.

    The document was signed by 27 parties, including parliamentary ones - Popular Will, Democratic Action and Justice First.

    In line with the National Electoral Council’s decision, parliamentary elections in Venezuela will be held on December 6. Registration will continue between August 10 and 19. The campaigning period will last between November 21 and December 5.

    Opposition forces won the December 2015 parliamentary elections in Venezuela, but later the parliament was de-facto excluded from the decision-making process. The Constitutional Assembly, established in summer 2017 on the initiative of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, assumed its functions. No political rivals of the current government are represented in the assembly.

    The situation in Venezuela escalated after on January 23, 2019, Juan Guaido, Venezuelan opposition leader, whose appointment to the position of parliamentary speaker had been cancelled by the country’s Supreme Court two days before, declared himself acting president at a rally in the country’s capital of Caracas. The US recognized him as acting president, as did Lima Group members (except for Mexico), the Organization of American States and most EU countries. Incumbent Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, in turn, blasted the move as a coup staged by Washington and said he was severing diplomatic ties with the US. Russia, Belarus, Bolivia, Iran, Cuba, China, Nicaragua, Syria and Turkey voiced support for Maduro.

    https://tass.com/world/1185049
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:32 pm

    The above is an example of why "democracy" is a sham. All these parties are corrupt and beholden to special interests aligned with
    the perceived Mecca of capital known as the USA. They serve Uncle Scumbag first and could give a flying f*ck about the Venezuelan
    people. Having many parties is not some assurance of real plurality and freedom. Any number of parties could be all marionettes
    by one foreign meddler. In fact, parties could be created to enable such control. So one party that is not submitting is flooded
    by parties that are tools for control. The average sap thinks that truth comes from different sources repeating the same thing.
    That is deadly wrong since sock puppetry can never be excluded.

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:31 pm


    Agree that the nature of most or some humans, tends towards the dark side. You build them something good. And they use it for evil. But Ahmed fire said, that an ideology or political system, is but a tool. It can be used for good or evil. Like a knife. You can use it to prepare a meal or to stab someone. But I said that a tool or political system or ideology can not be really good, if it can be misused. I used the example of a knife, with blunt nose. Given out to households, in England, where domestic abuse could lead to a stabbing.

    Some ideologies are imprecise or old or too complicated for average person to truly understand. They are the wrong tool. Some political systems are prone to corruption and abuse. They are the wrong tool.

    So if we had the perfect ideology and system, will we succeed? Well we will have a better chance, and we must try. Even if we know, that human nature or society is deeply flawed. And it may never recover from it's many ills. Not in time anyway, to stop utter disaster.

    A more corrupt proof political system, for example, is one, where there are no politicians. Or political parties. People simply vote online. On the Internet. There is no parliament. Yet another system, is proportional representation. According to economic class. And again no professional politicians. Number of seats, determined by number of citizens by profession.


    The greater the number of people in a direct democracy. Making it impossible to bribe or coerce large number of citizen politicians. With no restrictions on ideology or religion. The majority always wins power. And learns by it's mistakes.


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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:01 am

    The main failure of human evolution is the dominance of herding behaviour. Our vaunted brains are not used much by the vast
    majority. People consume MSM lies without even half an effort to think for themselves. And this groupthink manifests in populations
    of hundreds of millions. In fact, it looks like the larger the population, the more coherent in its herding it becomes. This must
    be related to social pressure on dissidents and "heretics" who do not conform.

    Direct democracy requires individual intellectual effort. That is not happening. Humans get the system they "deserve" since they
    do not push enough.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:17 am

    If i recall, Democracy was always a "Two Wolves decide to eat the Sheep" business.
    The founding fathers were really against it.

    It's a system that sows division in a Country, and cripples said nation.
    This is why the U.S promotes it.

    Sadly for them, it looks like they have drunken their own Kool-Aid, as we see now what happens as the U.S is transitioning from a psuedo-Republic into a Democracy.
    The collective will always be stronger than the individual.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:52 am

    The opposition refuse to take part in the election because they know they will lose, this is just a desperate effort to completely undermine real democracy and try to get a foreign supported coup started... the opposite of democracy.

    Regarding the moralisation about knives.... as already said... it can be an essenetial tool or a deadly weapon... it depends on who is holding it. Blunting its tip makes it useless as a tool but you can still always find a way to use it as a weapon...

    Political systems and even religions are the same... they can be tools and also weapons and often they are both.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:06 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Venezuelan opposition refuses to take part in December parliamentary elections


    Good. Fuck 'em... Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:The opposition refuse to take part in the election because they know they will lose, this is just a desperate effort to completely undermine real democracy and try to get a foreign supported coup started... the opposite of democracy.

    Regarding the moralisation about knives.... as already said... it can be an essenetial tool or a deadly weapon... it depends on who is holding it. Blunting its tip makes it useless as a tool but you can still always find a way to use it as a weapon...

    Political systems and even religions are the same... they can be tools and also weapons and often they are both.

    These opposition parties are engaged in full blown treason by throwing such a tantrum. Either participate in actual democracy (*) of one
    voter and one vote and take your chances or bugger on off. Acting this way to sabotage an election and claim that the government
    people actually voted for is not legitimate is grotesque. The ones who are not legitimate are these parties and any rent-a-crowd that
    circumvents one voter, one vote. They self-appoint themselves are the "true" representatives but they only represent themselves and
    their foreign meddler patron.

    (*) By democracy I mean some approximation. The voters have to have understanding of the situation, but most don't. In
    Venezuela where the MSM is not goosestepping to the yanqui music there is a chance voters can make at least partially informed
    decisions.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:05 pm

    Piracy is alive and well. These are petrol tankers.

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    BREAKING: The #US has seized 4 #Iran|ian oil tankers carrying oil to #Venezuela.

    Black small square
    The tankers Luna, Pandi, Bering and Bella were seized without military force.
    Black small square
    The tankers are en route to Houston.


    Or maybe not. They seem to have AIS turned off, no record for 95 days.

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    Venezuela: The Iranian ambassador to Venezuela denies the "Wall Street Journal" news about the detention of Iranian oil tankers bound for Caracas
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Piracy is alive and well. These are petrol tankers.

    EHA News
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    BREAKING: The #US has seized 4 #Iran|ian oil tankers carrying oil to #Venezuela.

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    The tankers Luna, Pandi, Bering and Bella were seized without military force.
    Black small square
    The tankers are en route to Houston.


    Or maybe not. They seem to have AIS turned off, no record for 95 days.

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    Venezuela: The Iranian ambassador to Venezuela denies the "Wall Street Journal" news about the detention of Iranian oil tankers bound for Caracas

    The US is showing its British roots. They pulled the same thing near China. Russia and China should call
    a UN Security Council meeting to censure this nonsense. There is no way that the yanquis can come out
    smelling like roses.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:20 am

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-seizes-iranian-gas-from-4-tankers-headed-to-venezuela-11597371487
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:33 am

    So did it happen or not? If Iran is denying it, then US is lying.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:25 pm

    It seems to have happened.

    Iran is now saying that the fuel was sold FOB the Gulf and loaded onto not their ships and not their flag. What happened to them was their customers responsibility.

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