Venezuela crisis

GarryB wrote:Amusing, people in foreign countries telling venezuela who they can and cannot have as a leader...

Personally I would say the the west had better be careful because Maduro was voted in legally only last year and had better election figures that much of the western world...



Based on the figures above who should go first?

Amusing some people think so little of cab drivers... is he also dumb because he is Venezuelan?

Screw setting up some sort of elite support group... how would they be any different from the rich fat cats who want Americans in there running the place so they can make more money and the government stops wasting money on the poor and the people who need help?

Venezuela does not need a cab driver bureaucrat. It needs somebody like Chavez. Maduro simply does not have the mentality of
Chavez and the current situation in Venezuela can't be fobbed off onto everyone else. It is rather self-evident that Maduro has been
behind the ball at fighting off US dirty tricks. And he is letting American propaganda set the narrative.

Even when these clowns appear to be sharp as a Fox they are still morons. For example the dictator of Belorus or Yanukovich.
All these f*cks do is pave for the advancement of America's empire. That is my metric and it vastly better than your apologia.

Venezuela does not need a cab driver bureaucrat. It needs somebody like Chavez. Maduro simply does not have the mentality of
Chavez and the current situation in Venezuela can't be fobbed off onto everyone else.

What do you even know about Chavez or Maduro?

If Maduro was a dumb fuck why is he still in power despite the worlds only super power bending over backwards to try to get him kicked out and all the rich western sycophants bending over backwards to help the US and try to force Venezuela to oblige and adopt the same position they enjoy.

Really are the Venezuelan people also dumb because it seems they voted him in to power and it isn't for his first term either so they can hardly claim they don't know who the fuck he is like they do with this Guano chimp the Yanks are putting up as puppet alternative.

Maduro seems to really scare the Americans... they are not bothering to try to remove Mexicos leader, or Haitis leader, or Porto Ricos leader... do you really think if he was an idiot they would want him gone so badly?

Or maybe he is not perfect but is doing a lot of things that make other leaders in the region think they can trade with China and Russia and other countries too and get a better deal than what they get from the Yanks?

It is rather self-evident that Maduro has been
behind the ball at fighting off US dirty tricks. And he is letting American propaganda set the narrative.

What a useless prick... but then couldn't you make the exact same arguments against Putin... he hasn't nationalised western media and forced them to say nice things about him either... wow... and the links just keep coming... Putin was also elected president of his country in a free and open and fair election, that has been criticised by the US because their puppet didn't win... maybe Putin should step down and let someone better qualified carry on.... I am sure the americans can pick a suitable candidate because you clearly don't trust either the Russian people or the Venezuelan people either...

Even when these clowns appear to be sharp as a Fox they are still morons. For example the dictator of Belorus or Yanukovich.
All these f*cks do is pave for the advancement of America's empire. That is my metric and it vastly better than your apologia.

Except the US has failed in the advancement of their empire in Russia and Venezuela and Belarus, but because they succeeded in the Ukraine 5 years ago you now think they should be handed success everywhere else too?

Well it is pretty fucked up logic, because you are suggesting giving these people what they clearly don't want as medicine to realise they don't want it.

The people of the Ukraine largely didn't care.... even the pro Russian ones probably thought they would be OK in the EU and NATO and a pawn for America... but look at how that has worked out for them... I don't expect a pro Russian person to win in Ukraines next elections (if it is anything like fair of course), but they will sure as hell not be so pro America or pro EU as they were last time... is that what you want... let Venezuela stew in a pro american government for a decade or two and they will realise what they had with Chavez and reject the monsters under the bed (CIA). But they have already endured decades of mismanagement, it was Chavez that helped them see the light and Maduro is currently slowly dragging them away from their dependency on oil and big american companies... his problem is not incompetence... it is the very low oil price that limits his funds and means he has to pick and choose... he has been building schools and hospitals and housing for the poor... if the price of oil goes up he could invest in alternative money revenue sources and domestic food production... but in the past they were told by the american economists that advised them that they had oil money, they can buy food much more cheaply from neighbours than they could produce it for themselves... why waste money?

Cyber-attacks on a country that puts its civilian population in jeopardy might, at first glance, appear to be a violation of the Geneva Conventions on warfare. However, without a Digital Geneva Convention, civilian populations are not covered by the current Geneva Conventions.

Then venezuela should ask China and Russia for support in returning the favour... the electrical system in the US is well known for being rickety... take out power in a few states and kill some people in hospital and lets see how the US likes it...

@GarryB

Right back at you: what do you know about Chavez and Maduro. You obviously know precisely zip. Your knee jerk defense of
of Maduro proves you are utterly clueless. I lived in Argentina during the 1970s and still have a lot of family living there. My
ties to Latin America are infinitely greater than yours. Maduro is no Castro. He has no capacity to run a socialist economy
in Latin America. Chavez had a caliber closer to Castro and would have done a much better job than Maduro, the bureaucratic
hack.

Whatever, your obviously love Maduro so much that you can't see anything other than Yankees as responsible for all of Venzuela's
problems. Funny how you never expressed such love for any of the Soviet and Russian leaders living through US meddling.
You are like the western academics signing praises of the USSR during the 1930s. Somebody with zero investment in the
target of your admiration and pursuing your own fantasies and ideology.

Oil production is less than 1m/b a day,

Some of the biggest oil reserves known to date... and nothing Maduro or Guano could do to destroy them overnight by error or by design, so the wealth is there... it is just a question of who helps them get it out of the ground. The grade of oil they are currently taking requires extra technology and materials like Naptha.... guess who normally supplies naptha and is not currently supplying it... when Russia replaces those supplies production should return to normal.

the power outages have spoiled all of the refrigerated food and ruined many industries, millions are starving and they have no income.

There cannot be a swift transition to a Guano government so there are no swift solutions... just the knowledge that power outages seemed to occur at a time convenient to the US wishes to replace Maduro... perhaps rather than being a saviour, Guano is the figurehead of the coup and therefore responsible for the deaths of people in hospitals and those who go hungry...

We will not be getting our money back but the real loser in all of this is China who invested tens of billions.

I suspect just like in Syria, not only will Russia be paid its money owed from Venezuela, I think Maduro will have a new found respect for Russia and China as trade partners and protector from the big bully to the north... similar to the way Assad probably now views Russia and Iran.

Not undying loyalty, but the closest you can get without being a total like the US.

Wont just be Venezuela... Russia and China and even Turkey helped stare down the US... most central and south american countries will have noticed... people and governments... remember the internet has influence...

Right back at you: what do you know about Chavez and Maduro.

What do I need to know. The Venezuelan people elected these two to a job... a job you claim they are not fit for...

A superpower northern neighbour just tried to have the democratically elected leader of the country kicked out of the country and an unelected nobody that few venezuelans even knew the name of with a total of zero votes in the last election in Venezuela should take over... I said that was enough reason on its own to leave Maduro in power.

I say that but really I have no say because I am not Venezuelan. I can hold that opinion but I get no real say in it.

You obviously know precisely zip.

Comes from a person who thinks democracy is what the US government says it is...

Your knee jerk defense of
of Maduro proves you are utterly clueless.

I believe what you should have said was my knee jerk defence of some very very basic principles of democracy makes me a genius, can you tell me what that makes you, or do you need permission from the US State Department...

I lived in Argentina during the 1970s and still have a lot of family living there. My
ties to Latin America are infinitely greater than yours.

Good for you, but clearly the fact that you don't actually live there any more means you get as much say as I do regarding who is in charge there... zero.

Maduro is no Castro.

Trump is no Putin. Micron is not Putin. May is no Putin. Trump, Micron, and May are not even Jimmy Carter...

He has no capacity to run a socialist economy
in Latin America. Chavez had a caliber closer to Castro and would have done a much better job than Maduro, the bureaucratic
hack.

So you have said, he is just a cab driver, but dead people (Chavez) can't get legal votes in any country I know of and he (Maduro) clearly won the election... there wasn't even any squealing from the US about cheating or Russian hackers...

Whatever, your obviously love Maduro so much that you can't see anything other than Yankees as responsible for all of Venzuela's
problems.

Cab driver... I am in love with him... as you said I don't really know the guy... but what I do know are some hard working men who drive cabs, the fact that this particular cab driver was freely and fairly elected in an open and free election in Venezuela by the Venezuelan people and the only people pissed about that seem to be the Americans and they are so pissed they are using all their allies, who otherwise wouldn't give a crap about Venezuela to try to change the result of a free and fair election.

Funny how you never expressed such love for any of the Soviet and Russian leaders living through US meddling.

The Russian leaders during the US meddling in the 1990s would be Guanos, not the Maduros... Yeltsin was a Clinton puppet... I love him like I love all the Clintons and Bushes and Trumps... and cancer and AIDS and VD and Syphilis...

You are like the western academics signing praises of the USSR during the 1930s.

Over a very short time Stalin took the Soviet people from a mostly agrarian society into the industrial age... it took much longer in the west and was probably as painful, but the Soviet experience was compressed by time which made it rather more brutal... which suited the man that Stalin was.

In comparison Russia losing all its former Soviet state allies and being exposed to the world markets and market forces... the job Putin has done is vastly better and vastly more humane but not without blood or sweat or tears... infinitely better than Stalins method. But you could argue Stalin was the only man for that particular job... or no job suited Stalins methods... hard to say without being able to wind back the clock and try with someone else at the wheel.

Somebody with zero investment in the
target of your admiration and pursuing your own fantasies and ideology.

Yeah... only a Nazi or a Jew can make comments about WWII I guess... no other opinion or view is allowed... still of course what you say is weird... the position you are defending is that the views of the US media and US government and the western world dominated international media get to decide on the leadership of a country no matter what the voting public of that country decide or want.

Dude... if the Venezuelan people really want Maduro out why don't they all get off their arses and get out into the street... 30 million people come out into the street and say lets waste lots of money on new elections because an orange in the white house and kvs on russiadefence.net wants to see a new president for Venezuela... and maybe if we are lucky and we accidently pick an idiot who will sell us out and rob us blind... you know... someone that would please the orange orang-utan in the white house, he might stop cutting out power and lift the trade sanctions and free up our money he confiscated to create the whole problem in the first place... we wont worry about trying to please kvs because who knows what would please him... jesus?

Millions are starving, where exactly?

Where ever there is a Fox news camera or a CNN camera or a BBC camera... the images are too horrific to show so we will blur them of course...