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    History of Russian Empire Thread

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:What has fair to do with it?

    the British museum has lots of treasures from around the world that it refuses to return because it claims only it can look after them properly...  Rolling Eyes

    The lesson is that if you steal something, just put it in a nice display case and you wont have to give it back...

    Perfect example of this is the Elgin Marbles dispute between Greece and the UK.
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    Post  George1 Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:36 pm

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm

    This is an economics post but fits the thread theme. Russia has never been an Empire. It does not conform to the definition of
    an Empire as a leech on its colonies. Instead, Russia elevated its "colonies" to levels higher than the center which basically
    no Empire in history has ever done. The USSR inherited this un-Empire mode in the name of the communist ideal. You can now
    see the impact of the collapse of the Russian un-Empire in Ukraine, the Baltics, and Central Asia. All of those "colonies" are reverting
    to their original states.

    Here is a nice video analysis:



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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:29 pm

    Because they were not colonies in the western term but equal parts of Russia. That´s the problem of these "states". They are mostly artificial in nature. They had to invent there own history, which was mainly done by far-right extremists (coming from the west) in the 90´s. In that regard I don´t see it as an "error" of Russia to invest money in these regions in the past. Odessa, Riga and Baku were part of Russia just like Murmansk or Wladiwostok.
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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:14 pm

    How the Russian Empire was formed
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    Post  thegopnik Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:01 am

    https://qr.ae/pNucGO

    Here is an interesting answer post of mine and some of it relates to Grand Tartaria or forgotten Russian history.

    Got something interesting for this board. https://web.archive.org/web/20200701065421/https://www.stolenhistory.org/threads/tartary-an-empire-hidden-in-history-it-was-bigger-than-russia-once.40/

    I wonder if Grand Tartaria should have its own thread here or not.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:34 am

    If you want to post it I would not reccommend any serious threads and it does not qualify for the humour threads.

    Perhaps putting it directly into the talking bollocks thread.
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    Post  limb Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:03 am

    Did you know that stolypin created the anticommunist sentiment in ukraine and belorus? His plan was to encourage the creation of middle class yeomen or kulaks in those areas(through land loans) which would be an anticommunist political and financial bulwark, while great russian peasants were basically rentier farm laborers for their former masters or an industrial proletariat living in hellish conditions for barely any pay.


    BTW if the Russian empire was so technologically advanced, why did it have to import all heavy machinery, like thornycroft boilers from england or germany? Every single russian warship was designed by westerners and/or built by westerners.

    The same anticommunists who criticise the soviet union for importing western tech ignore these facts. The USSR had an excuse, a devastating civil war and utter technological backwardness. The russian empire had only its own aristorcratic inertia and backwardness as its excuse.

    Russian imperial artillery and firearms were mostly designed by foreigners by the 19th century. The berdans, krnka rifles, russian smith and wessons had no ethnic russian input in their designs. The mosin nagant too wasnt fully russian. The russian impier just copied the maxim. They just copied the chauchat. Name me a single russian impeiral firearm which was mass produced and not designed by a westerner for hire? I can only think of the lender guns, putilov guns and fyodorov gun.

    Moreover, the russian military officer corps was mainly a "varangian guard" for the romanovs consisting baltic german aristocrats. It was an ethnic aristocratic clique that didnt recruit based on skill but noble and ethnic connections. This lead to general incompetence which lead to the defeats at tannenberg, the russojapanese war, etc.

    As for the lamenting about sikorsky, that guy just built helicopters and some flying boats and most of his designs were utter failures produced in boutique quantities. His helicopter designs are utterly inferior to the homegrown mil and kamov. The USSR became a leader in helicopter design by the 60s, so so much for the "loss" of sikorsky.

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