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The Situation in the Ukraine. #11
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Big_Gazza- Posts : 4640
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kvs wrote:The Kiev regime and its NATO patrons pushed for the ceasefire in the hopes of killing the rebel advance.
That failed, so they now want to introduce UN peacekeepers to kill any future rebel chance of reclaiming
all of the Donbas. Putin better not submit to this nonsense. I am glad Churkin is calling the call for
UN peacekeepers a violation of the Minsk-2 agreements. Maybe this indicates that Russia will not allow
the same obscenity as in Kosovo, where the Serbs and other non-Albanians (e.g. Gorans, Roma and Jews)
were ethnically cleansed after KFOR took over.
Agreed, and that was one of the very worst crimes that NATO committed in that disgraceful affair. Covert backing for a terrorist group and orchestrating all-out aggression against Serbia (including bombing of civilian infrastructure like TV stations) was bad enough, but the blatant disregard for the terms of the cease-fire and standing back and watching while the KLA ethnically cleansed virtually the entire province of non-Albanians was an utter disgrace, and demonstrated once and for all the duplicity of NATO and its leash-holders in the US/EU elite.
Any residual respect or belief I still held for NATO, the US/EU ruling elite or the compliant mouth-piece corporate media died during that period. The NWO power elite are no different to the Nazis.
Big_Gazza- Posts : 4640
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F-15E wrote:
screen from seps video. Three "GRADs" (truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher) are fireing on UAF positions and one is turned on the positions of seps to make a picture of UAF are shelling civilians.
Desperation from the resident pro-UkroWehrmacht troll? Certainly looks like it
Your propaganda exploits closely mirror the performance of your beloved Kiev regime stormtroopers. Lots of bluster and bravado, but everything ends in epic failure of the first order. Good going, and its nice to see that Langely has invested its web-agitprop budget so wisely....
F-15E- Posts : 103
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Big_Gazza wrote:F-15E wrote:
screen from seps video. Three "GRADs" (truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher) are fireing on UAF positions and one is turned on the positions of seps to make a picture of UAF are shelling civilians.
Desperation from the resident pro-UkroWehrmacht troll? Certainly looks like it
Your propaganda exploits closely mirror the performance of your beloved Kiev regime stormtroopers. Lots of bluster and bravado, but everything ends in epic failure of the first order. Good going, and its nice to see that Langely has invested its web-agitprop budget so wisely....
LOL !!
I should make a thread about the Russias propaganda.
But it will take 100 years to post all of Vladi's propaganda !!!
Big_Gazza- Posts : 4640
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TR1 wrote: As opposed to the average non big city Russian.
Real Renaissance men, those Russians.
Ha ha! Touché TR1
In their defense however, its the very lack of polish that gives Russians their appeal. The Russians don't make a great deal of pretense to be more than they are. They don't come close to the obscene self-exultant exceptionalism that the US elite are famous for. Russia doesn't blather endlessly from the pulpit about the virtues of freedom, human rights and democracy, while working quietly behind the scenes to undermine and undo the very principles they claim to promote.
Morpheus Eberhardt- Posts : 1925
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To me, it doesn't seem that many Nazis were actually allowed to leave the Debal'tsevo pocket.
The reason is that if you look at the Nazi video clips of all of those who made it to Artyomovsk, and count them all, the number would be pretty small, just a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds out of about 8000, maybe even less. Of course, the Nazis would video and show all of the troops that were permitted to leave the pocket because they want to claim the largest possible number for those that survived this episode.
The reason is that if you look at the Nazi video clips of all of those who made it to Artyomovsk, and count them all, the number would be pretty small, just a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds out of about 8000, maybe even less. Of course, the Nazis would video and show all of the troops that were permitted to leave the pocket because they want to claim the largest possible number for those that survived this episode.
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Hisroyalhighness- Posts : 66
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So what is your objective here besides making an ass out of yourself?F-15E wrote:
LOL !!
I should make a thread about the Russias propaganda.
But it will take 100 years to post all of Vladi's propaganda !!!
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https://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/568920892790726656UPDATE: #Ukraine SBU arrests Party of Regions' second in command, Chechetov, now.
http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/sud-prinyal-reshenie-arestovat-chechetova-193627.html
Ukrainian Democracy in action.
higurashihougi- Posts : 3102
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A Lunar New Year Gift
I wish a new Lunar Year of Victory for the people of Novorossiya
I wish a new Lunar Year of Victory for the people of Novorossiya
Morpheus Eberhardt- Posts : 1925
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higurashihougi wrote:A Lunar New Year Gift
I wish a new Lunar Year of Victory for the people of Novorossiya
+1. Excellent.
Are you the painter?
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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...I wonder what could of spurred the change of heart. Something must be going on in the background that we don't know about:
No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine – Hollande
No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine – Hollande
GarryB- Posts : 38978
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I suspect he fears that with US actually supplying the Kiev forces with weapons and training openly that the Russians might decide to do the same with the anti Kiev forces.
Or he is realising that continuing with the lie means he will be stuck with two helicopter barges and a big bill....
Or he is realising that continuing with the lie means he will be stuck with two helicopter barges and a big bill....
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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GarryB wrote:I suspect he fears that with US actually supplying the Kiev forces with weapons and training openly that the Russians might decide to do the same with the anti Kiev forces.
Or he is realising that continuing with the lie means he will be stuck with two helicopter barges and a big bill....
On that same note, their was talk earlier in this thread about how the U.S. was supplying counter mortar radar for Kiev forces. Looks like we have the most definitive evidence of the U.S. supplying Kiev with military technology, including the serial numbers of supplies shipped as well as the paper trail:
...On the bright side Russia will now know how to directly develop tactics to defeat U.S. counter mortar radar.
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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Morpheus Eberhardt- Posts : 1925
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magnumcromagnon wrote:...I wonder what could of spurred the change of heart. Something must be going on in the background that we don't know about:
No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine – Hollande
Maybe Russia has commanded France and Germany that they now have to stop being the vassals of "USA".
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Vann7- Posts : 5385
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Indeed the major revolution failure of all times ..
-The Euromaidans will not get the Free Visa they wanted and will never be members of European Union.
-Kiev will never become a member of NATO , not now ,not never..
Reason? Because the probability of war between Ukraine and Russia are real and US fears that they will be unable to help kiev if a major war start with Russia. NATO members can have access to all NATO military hardware and help too.. and the last thing NATO wants is to fight with Russia and lose. The western American -Neoliberal Elite needs to keep the illusion at all cost of invulnerability. Is like the Boxing Champion that avoid any hard fight no matter what to conserve its title and only pick easy fights and weak opponents.
-Ukraine lost a major cities .
-And its economy is doomed to fail ,without the help of Russia. Ukraine wants to be "independent of Russia"
and prosperous at same time.. US alone and Europe will not be enough to fix Ukraine economy.
-Lawlessness nation and bandits everywhere.
What kind of strategy US can play in Ukraine is the big question with such useless state.. the only thing they can do
now that at the risk of seriously damage Europe relations is to encourage the Volunteer groups to attack Russia
or Crimea..(terrorism),bombs , and hope in vain that Russia will be forced to invade when they know the game they playing. Like Putin told.. Kiev is doing all it can to provoke Russia to invade.. but they will never do that, they are historically brotherly nations and they do not see Ukrainians as their enemies...
In other words Putin fully understand that behind all the provocations is the american elite that hates Russia encouraging with $$ the so called Nazis to do terrorist attacks against Russia and or Crimea. in other words that is a proxy attack by US.. and not originates in Ukraine the idea.
So my best guess is that most likely the majority of the anglozionist elite in the west will just give up with Ukraine
consider it a failure and instead focus in Syria all their attacks.. and perhaps try to provoke Euro maidans in Moldova ,Armenia or other former soviet republics and repeat.
-The Euromaidans will not get the Free Visa they wanted and will never be members of European Union.
-Kiev will never become a member of NATO , not now ,not never..
Reason? Because the probability of war between Ukraine and Russia are real and US fears that they will be unable to help kiev if a major war start with Russia. NATO members can have access to all NATO military hardware and help too.. and the last thing NATO wants is to fight with Russia and lose. The western American -Neoliberal Elite needs to keep the illusion at all cost of invulnerability. Is like the Boxing Champion that avoid any hard fight no matter what to conserve its title and only pick easy fights and weak opponents.
-Ukraine lost a major cities .
-And its economy is doomed to fail ,without the help of Russia. Ukraine wants to be "independent of Russia"
and prosperous at same time.. US alone and Europe will not be enough to fix Ukraine economy.
-Lawlessness nation and bandits everywhere.
What kind of strategy US can play in Ukraine is the big question with such useless state.. the only thing they can do
now that at the risk of seriously damage Europe relations is to encourage the Volunteer groups to attack Russia
or Crimea..(terrorism),bombs , and hope in vain that Russia will be forced to invade when they know the game they playing. Like Putin told.. Kiev is doing all it can to provoke Russia to invade.. but they will never do that, they are historically brotherly nations and they do not see Ukrainians as their enemies...
In other words Putin fully understand that behind all the provocations is the american elite that hates Russia encouraging with $$ the so called Nazis to do terrorist attacks against Russia and or Crimea. in other words that is a proxy attack by US.. and not originates in Ukraine the idea.
So my best guess is that most likely the majority of the anglozionist elite in the west will just give up with Ukraine
consider it a failure and instead focus in Syria all their attacks.. and perhaps try to provoke Euro maidans in Moldova ,Armenia or other former soviet republics and repeat.
higurashihougi- Posts : 3102
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Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Are you the painter?
An amateur one.
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http://apostrophe.com.ua/news/society/2015-02-20/biryukov-s-nachala-goda-pod-debaltsevo-unichtojenyi-2911-boevikov/15919
Ukie gov advisor Yuriy Biryukov claimed that from jan 18 to feb 18 Novo lost 2911 troops at Debaltsevo while Ukie facist only lost 179 ones. And he still claimed that there is no pocket at Debaltsevo
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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GarryB wrote:
This bastard just does not know when to quit.
It is the dye in the Ties he eats... it is warping an already dysfunctional mind...
higurashihougi- Posts : 3102
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Will there be another Debaltsevo 
Regular- Posts : 3868
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I'm starting to get idea that there were far less KIAs on both sides than we might think. Seps probably lost about 150 soldiers while ukrs losses could range from at least 300 to 500 or so. The only thing that saved them was their retreat and there could be a reason why seps probably let most of them go. Look at videos of ukr soldiers retreating. Some of them are in civilian clothing and plenty of them don't even have AK-74 with them.
Now look at abandoned camps, they left everything even wounded(wtf medics could have stayed with them and kept them alive until NAF forces would come.)
So did NAF let them go and saved blood on both sides or Ukrainians just pulled their most successful operation yet? A retreat of manpowet with massive loss of vehicles.
Now look at abandoned camps, they left everything even wounded(wtf medics could have stayed with them and kept them alive until NAF forces would come.)
So did NAF let them go and saved blood on both sides or Ukrainians just pulled their most successful operation yet? A retreat of manpowet with massive loss of vehicles.
Morpheus Eberhardt- Posts : 1925
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Regular wrote:I'm starting to get idea that there were far less KIAs on both sides than we might think. Seps probably lost about 150 soldiers while ukrs losses could range from at least 300 to 500 or so. The only thing that saved them was their retreat and there could be a reason why seps probably let most of them go. Look at videos of ukr soldiers retreating. Some of them are in civilian clothing and plenty of them don't even have AK-74 with them.
Now look at abandoned camps, they left everything even wounded(wtf medics could have stayed with them and kept them alive until NAF forces would come.)
So did NAF let them go and saved blood on both sides or Ukrainians just pulled their most successful operation yet? A retreat of manpowet with massive loss of vehicles.
Based on this post of yours I doubt I'll ever vote any of your posts up.
Morpheus Eberhardt- Posts : 1925
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higurashihougi wrote:Will there be another Debaltsevo
It should be kept in mind that, as we speak now, a total military collapse of the Ukronazis is not an impossibility. It may be that the Nazis have at most 8000 "combat-capable" troops at their disposal; this number may actually be much closer to zero. Basically, the Novorussians may now be looking at just empty terrain to their west (militarily). I should mention that, of course, the empty terrain can resist too.
kvs- Posts : 15130
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What are you all talking about? The mighty Ukrainian Army is preparing for war with Russia:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-preparing-for-full-scale-war-says-former-envoy-to-canada-1.2964887
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-preparing-for-full-scale-war-says-former-envoy-to-canada-1.2964887
Ukraine's deputy foreign minister says he is preparing for "full-scale war" against Russia and wants Canada to help by supplying lethal weapons and the training to use them.
franco
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Regular wrote:I'm starting to get idea that there were far less KIAs on both sides than we might think. Seps probably lost about 150 soldiers while ukrs losses could range from at least 300 to 500 or so. The only thing that saved them was their retreat and there could be a reason why seps probably let most of them go. Look at videos of ukr soldiers retreating. Some of them are in civilian clothing and plenty of them don't even have AK-74 with them.
Now look at abandoned camps, they left everything even wounded(wtf medics could have stayed with them and kept them alive until NAF forces would come.)
So did NAF let them go and saved blood on both sides or Ukrainians just pulled their most successful operation yet? A retreat of manpowet with massive loss of vehicles.
Rule number 1 is that the first casualty of war is the truth.
The NAF were allowing any Ukrainian unit on foot without equipment free passage out. They stated that this was at least a thousand troops. Not worth the casualties to themselves to stop them and then just exchange them.
As for casualties overall, we will never know. There is a lot of distortion either on purpose or through ignorance. Take the 3,000 dead figure everyone gives out for Debaltsevo, the NFA actually gives out that figure in their daily briefings as total estimated UF dead during the 5 weeks or so since the fighting intensified again. The estimated dead in the Debaltsevo battle over the past 5 WEEKS is 1200-1500.
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Column of trophy MSTA-S captured in the Debaltsevo pocket.
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Over at the NATO butthurt forum there is the usual debate about how the rebel claims of 3.5 thousand regime
forces losses in the Debaltsevo kessel are not "realistic". Really? Half of the troops trapped in a cauldron can't
die? It has to be some tiny percentage? The rebel figures are the best estimate so far and demonstrate that
they are not engaged in cheeseball propaganda like the Kiev regime.
forces losses in the Debaltsevo kessel are not "realistic". Really? Half of the troops trapped in a cauldron can't
die? It has to be some tiny percentage? The rebel figures are the best estimate so far and demonstrate that
they are not engaged in cheeseball propaganda like the Kiev regime.
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