Comparing the two situations ? Did British people demand resignation of Government during Blitz ? Because of austerity ? And if so were they shot ?
If there were such a thing as a free society I would like to see it... the UK pretending to be the worlds arbiter is hilarious considering the damage they have done to this planet... I mean when the use of force is banned by the US then the west invents a new situation... humanitarian intervention... the same use of force they always used to get their way to get western friendly governments elected or western unfriendly governments removed... with violence.
Even if they had , does this justify the present brutal crackdown on Iran ? These demonstrations were not purely economical . As many protesters testified in court . The increase in petrol prices was only a trigger .
People have a right to protest and have their say... though in the current situation with Covid they would be fucking stupid to do so IMHO, but then the lives they are risking are their own.
What they don't have the rights for is to disobey a police officer, so after they have had their march and the police tell the crowd to disperse and they don't then force is always the option used... EVERYWHERE.
There was a mass movement before , during which there was also shootings and killings by the state . And many more incidents of shootings and killings by the state , going back to the beginning of the " Revolution " .
Same in the west... they dress it up with all sorts of BS, but they are no better. In the 1920s when workers were protesting poor wages and poor work conditions the Ford motor company payed some people and provided them with Thompson Sub Machine Guns... to deal with the problem.... don't you love the irony... workers complaining at not being paid enough and Ford can afford one of the most expensive publicly available weapons of the time to have them shot.
Agree that removal of sanctions will contribute towards easing the economic burdens on the public .
So what do the protesters want... US Oil companies to come in and take all the contracts... pay the locals minimum wage and steal the oil wealth of Iran under their noses... do you think after they are done and there is no oil or gas in Iran they will suddenly be nice?
Perhaps by oil revenue being spent on food aid for the people . But it will not solve all problems .
What do they think it is being spent on?
The government ( the illegitimate minority administration ) has admitted inability to control price rises and inflation .
Of course because everyone should expect the government of Iran under sanctions from the rich and powerful US and her western stooges, in a situation where they are also dealing with Covid as well should have complete control of price rises and inflation.
Funny that the UK and US are also struggling with price rises and inflation too while having world class economies and no one having them under sanction that matters to them...
Makes you wonder what a bunch of whiny
these Iranians protesting are... or are they protesting because Tik Tok and Facebook tell them everything is great everywhere else and it is all just the Iranian governments doing.
A symptom of dominance of Bazzari class in politics . No lifting of sanctions will solve this problem . Eventually these problems will emerge and have to be resolved by a Democratic process or Revolution to empower the working class .
For goodness sake.... you wonder why people are getting killed and just because those innocent Iranians are essentially demanding regime change... people were executed in the US when their protest entered certain government buildings and the current government is treating those protesters like terrorists which means they will be getting prison sentences longer than most rapists or murderers in the country... what are we even talking about here?
If the authorities treat the public like Pigs , and slaughter them like Pigs , then can we blame them for behaving like Pigs ?
Except it is the other way around... the only pigs getting slaughtered are people acting like pigs. When a child refuses to behave and defies the father to his face, is the father supposed to tussle his hair and say well done for standing up for yourself? If the child is doing damage... smashing other peoples cars, breaking windows... to get attention... he is unarmed and much weaker than the father so no smack on the backside or clip around the ear...
A mob of people is dangerous even when they have no fire arms... do you think a rock cannot injure someone, or those metal bars and clubs they carry are to help them keep their balance walking through the broken glass? If you think the police should not be armed you are going to get a lot of police officers killed... who is going to want to be a police officer if they are not allowed to protect themselves?
You can beat up one criminal but if those criminals gather together and form a mob then they can do as they please... but I am guessing not near your house...
Next time these pigs will read Animal farm , and demand their rights ! Or turn into Wolves and devour their oppressors !
You are assuming they are not already turning into wolves and those are the ones getting shot.
A few individuals being responsible for the vast majority of murders ! Hence the need to import foreign ( perhaps Lebanese ) mercenaries with no objections to shooting Iranians dead ! A long history of employment of mercenaries in previous protests .......
Textbook British colonial thing to do. Take the lowest of the low and put them in charge.... they will generally happily oppress the people who just spent hundreds or thousands of years oppressing them... and their loyalty is guaranteed because without colonial support they would be gone in a week and after all this things wont be as bad as it used to be... it will be worse.
Not good enough to say , the Taliban buying some AK47 from Ludmila the gun seller , in order to kill the tribe in Herat ! Who cares , we are making money !
Of course the worlds problems would all end if Russian and China stopped making weapons, because if they can't buy Russian or Chinese weapons then they wont bother.
A short termism and a product of narrow economic interests , overriding long term political interest . No support , when they brutally oppress the people ! No guns ! No aid in this activity . No special invitation to criminal politicians . Contacts should be justified only if they have genuine long term benefits for those peoples or nations interests . A political economy . Condemnation of brutality and anti-social activity . condemnation of anti-democratic activity . Of murderer and torture . At home and abroad .
You sound like an American... trade and commerce tied together with politics... pick your sides and only arm your friends... except CAASTA shows it isn't working because even US friends are buying Russian military equipment.
Russia and China and Iran have trade ties and many things in common... I very much doubt Russia or China want to fund terrorist organisations anywhere, but then their view of what a terrorist might be different from yours... certainly the US and Israel justify their sanctions on Iran over support for groups allied with Palestinians and many anti zionists.
Nice short memory you have there too... Iran was happy to support various Muj factions in Afghanistan while Soviet troops were there... Russias new policy seems to be that of non interference in the sense that they don't try to make Syria or Iraq or Iran change their government policies to suit them or their trade relations, but if they declare they have problems with terrorist groups and ask Russia for help then Russia will attempt to provide help where it believes it can do the most good. Together with Iran good things have been done in Syria for example.
We should not allow the West and Liberals to win the human Rights arguments in their favour , by our silence or caution .
The west has done more to undermine democracy around the world than any other country or group of countries in known history... it influences every election on the planet... and any it can't change it refuses to accept the results. If the results go the way they want them to then there is no scrutiny allowed (ie Biden election), but if the results go the other way demands for recounts or empeachments continue for the entire period of the persons term in their elected position (Trump). And in the case of Trump even beyond...
Also in the future the Iranian armed forces , should disobey any order given to them to shoot to kill protesters , by criminal politicians . And arrest any unit or commander that opens fire on the public . Arrest any politician giving orders to shoot to kill unarmed protesters ! A revolutionary duty .
If the Army has been called then it is a riot and not a protest, which should be made clear to all civilians present at the time. Give the innocent time to disperse and then start either beating the crap out of those that remain or arrest them... and if necessary shoot them.
Riots have nothing to do with democracy.... there is no country on the planet that confuses peaceful democratic protest with arson, looting, and willful damage.
I saw a black woman being interviewed after a riot in the US and the interviewer asked her how they could destroy their own neighbourhood, and she said the people rioting didn't own anything... none of the stuff that was burning was theirs.... houses are rentals owned by people somewhere else sucking income out of the place, and the police are useless (her words not mine) because they never do anything and a lot of the time there is no one available to come help. Sometimes the person who called the police ends up getting shot, so people learn not to trust the police.
They had an interview with a Palestinian that seemed so similar it was sad... they said they called the police when jewish settlers broke the law or did damage and the police came but helped the settlers. When there is no police to help you then starting a war becomes easy because short of giving up it is really your only option against those in power.
The problem is education... mobs and riots are not instruments of democracy... a free media and the ballot box.
You can' expect a government to change policy when 10,000 people march in protest at this or that law or condition, because the next day 20,000 people might go out and march for the opposite...
Is that how you see the future of Iran... polling referendums based on how many people bother to go out and protest on a given topic... Iran is not going to get very much done if that is the case because the people will spend all day and every day at protests.
More importantly how democratic is it to make government policy on a 10,000 man march in one city in Iran... how many Iranians are there? 60 million or so?
What about other opinions outside that city?
And all these people spending the day walking down the middle of the street holding signs... what should the rest of the population be thinking if the police tells them to go home and they refuse... and the army tells them to go home and they refuse and start breaking stuff and burning stuff.
I am not suggesting exections at random like the US paid for at Maidan with Georgian snipers... but who is to say there weren't Jewish spies and US spies there with a few rifles picking off a few expendable people like they did at Maidan... groom a few youtubers... get them a bit of a following and then have them step up at a protest in Iran and have them shot in the head.... they openly did that in the Ukraine... do you honestly think they would not do it in Iran? Hell... they shot and killed people at the capitol building in the US...