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    Post  George1 Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:21 am

    nomadski wrote:https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1132691/%D9%88%D9%82%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%B9%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A2%D8%B0%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85-%D9%86%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%B4%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AF-%D9%81%DB%8C%D9%84%D9%85


    Here we see Azer people in R. AZER, mourn the war dead in traditional Shia fashion. But despite their religious commonality, with Iranians. They speak Azeri. Not Farsi. Their loyalty is to Turkey. Not Iran. And if they were to unite with either Turkey or Iran. Then the ethnic power  balance would change in Iran, in their favour. And escalate tensions with the Farsi speaking population. Lead to conflict. As it already is doing in Tabriz.

    So what is the solution?  Greater unity can only happen between Iran and R. AZER, when social conditions are very similar. If Azeris in Iran only speak Farsi and Azeris in R. AZER, also only speak Farsi. Then both religion and language are identical. Unification can happen.

    But as things stand now. The Azeri population in R. AZER, only share in part a common religion with Iranians. Similar to the Iraqi Shia. They may become closer to Iran. But they can not form the same country.

    At the moment, despite their religious chanting, they are allied with Turkey. An expansionist power. Aiming to build a pan - Turkic Empire. The way to stop Turkey, is to support Armenia. To stop their expansionist policy. If Turkey United physically with R. AZER. Then again this would change the ethnic balance of power. Lead to separatism by Iranian Azerbaijani.

    Therefore, Iran should first stop the unification of Azer with Turkey. By supporting Armenia territorial integrity. And should not think about unification of R. AZER, with Iran, at this time. That will also lead to social conflict. Instability. The time for that will come, if and when all Azeris speak Persian.

    azeris are of turkic origin or turkificized persians? is there any difference between azeris of azerbaitzan and those live in Iran?
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    Post  medo Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:50 pm

    George1 wrote:
    nomadski wrote:https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1132691/%D9%88%D9%82%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%B9%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A2%D8%B0%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85-%D9%86%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%B4%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AF-%D9%81%DB%8C%D9%84%D9%85


    Here we see Azer people in R. AZER, mourn the war dead in traditional Shia fashion. But despite their religious commonality, with Iranians. They speak Azeri. Not Farsi. Their loyalty is to Turkey. Not Iran. And if they were to unite with either Turkey or Iran. Then the ethnic power  balance would change in Iran, in their favour. And escalate tensions with the Farsi speaking population. Lead to conflict. As it already is doing in Tabriz.

    So what is the solution?  Greater unity can only happen between Iran and R. AZER, when social conditions are very similar. If Azeris in Iran only speak Farsi and Azeris in R. AZER, also only speak Farsi. Then both religion and language are identical. Unification can happen.

    But as things stand now. The Azeri population in R. AZER, only share in part a common religion with Iranians. Similar to the Iraqi Shia. They may become closer to Iran. But they can not form the same country.

    At the moment, despite their religious chanting, they are allied with Turkey. An expansionist power. Aiming to build a pan - Turkic Empire. The way to stop Turkey, is to support Armenia. To stop their expansionist policy. If Turkey United physically with R. AZER. Then again this would change the ethnic balance of power. Lead to separatism by Iranian Azerbaijani.

    Therefore, Iran should first stop the unification of Azer with Turkey. By supporting Armenia territorial integrity. And should not think about unification of R. AZER, with Iran, at this time. That will also lead to social conflict. Instability. The time for that will come, if and when all Azeris speak Persian.

    I'm not sure, but before USSR create Azerbaijan, this people were called Caucasian Tartars. Could be that they just take tha name of Azeris in Iran or in that time in Persia.
    azeris are of turkic origin or turkificized persians? is there any difference between azeris of azerbaitzan and those live in Iran?
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    Post  nomadski Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:45 am

    @ crod

    "..... The NYT (article is behind a paywall) is reporting that the US asked for israeli assistance in the killing Al-Qaida’s number two who had been living in Tehran......"

    Different possibility here, given I don't have any evidence :

    ( 1 ) This person does not exist. Just a newspaper article.

    ( 2 )  This person exists, but is not Alqaeeda.

    ( 3 )  This person exists, and is  Alqaeeda.

    ( 4 )  Ditto. And is alive.

    ( 5 )  Is dead.

    ( 6 )  Was killed.......

    If we are to believe that this person existed as an AQ member in Tehran, living there peacefully and was killed. Then unlikely for Israeli to do it. Or Yanks. Because their own boys. More a case of Iranians making a gift for new admin. Persian cat brings gift to Yank owner !?


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    "..... azeris are of turkic origin or turkificized persians? is there any difference between azeris of azerbaitzan and those live in Iran?......"

    Iran lost territory in Caucases to Russia, more than 100 years ago. Since then, during soviet times, there were systematic expulsions of Iranians into Central Asia. To change ethnic mix. My uncle was deported to Gulag, where he died. Because he refused to give up his Iranian passport. There was importation of different ethnic people into Azer. Now there is a mix. They are different to Iranian Azeris. Different development. But with some similarity, with language and religion. The name for Azer in Iran, is Arran. The name Iran, I believe derived from it. Iranic origin. Also genetic study proved these people are closest in DNA to Iranian people.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:09 am

    Probably #1, the Israeli's protected ISIL/Al Qaeda in the Golan Heights, even allowed them to be hospitalized with medical attention.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:12 am

    Yes, and this killing  of supposed AQ member ( hypothetical ) and great foreign news coverage stands in  Sharp contrast to killing of Iranian University teacher , a few days ago, in drive by shooting. Hardly any coverage  by NYT or by  local media or  statement by Iranian officials. Great distraction? Cover one story , with another story ?


    Similar to earlier in this year. Soliemani killed 3 January. Ukraine plane " shot down" on 8 Jan 2020.


    Edit :  I could believe a domestic agent being responsible or a foreign agent for the teacher 's  killing. But in case of previous assassinations of university professors , they are all nuclear and physics teachers. I find it hard to believe that only nuclear scientists , should somehow become outspoken politically , and thus become targets of domestic terrorism. So it is obvious to me that foreign terrorism was responsible for their killings.

    Now, there is little or no details about this latest assassination. Only that unlike the many  previous assassinations, there is little or no news about it in Iran . This is strange. Now if he was not a Nuclear scientist,  and perhaps a Geography teacher, then this rules out foreign activity. Together with media silence. Does anyone know?
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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:37 am

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iran-crisis-boris-johnson-trump-soleimani-corbyn-commons-quds-a9275336.html%3famp


    I heard Iran FM, was going to invite UK. Face to face talks with general soleimani murderers supporters.


    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/11/17/2390974/foreign-ministers-discuss-iran-uk-cooperation

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.mehrnews.com/amp/139727/

    Not even a year has passed. Hard revenge by the Liberals.
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    Post  crod Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:28 pm

    nomadski wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iran-crisis-boris-johnson-trump-soleimani-corbyn-commons-quds-a9275336.html%3famp


    I heard Iran FM, was going to invite  UK. Face to face talks with general soleimani murderers supporters.


    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/11/17/2390974/foreign-ministers-discuss-iran-uk-cooperation

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.mehrnews.com/amp/139727/

    Not even a year has passed. Hard revenge by the Liberals.

    you need negotiations like it or not, it doesn't mean one has to trust them or the people involved in them but better to be seen as approachable instead of sitting there unwilling to talk - hard for sanctions to be increased whilst talks are ongoing imo.
    true they signed an agreement in good faith and had it thrown in their faces but that caused more damage to the US than anyone else and it divided the coalition. behind the scenes and you don't get t see it, but I can assure you the Europeans were scathing and furious at the americans. the relationship was rock bottom and I don't exaggerate here - Biden has been told by the Europeans that he needs to go a long way to make amends and clear up the mess his soon to be dumped predecessor created. dirty washing doesn't get aired in public, the Europeans and most prefer it that way, but that sure as fcuk doesn't mean the dirty laundry didn't pile up and Biden has been made very clear on who is doing the washing.
    that only deals with geo political stuff....the real fire works will come from the tech tax discussions between the two and if america continues to push back, they will have to concede elsewhere - that's how negotiations and compromise work.

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    Post  crod Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:30 pm

    nomadski wrote:Yes, and this killing  of supposed AQ member ( hypothetical ) and great foreign news coverage stands in  Sharp contrast to killing of Iranian University teacher , a few days ago, in drive by shooting. Hardly any coverage  by NYT or by  local media or  statement by Iranian officials. Great distraction? Cover one story , with another story ?


    Similar to earlier in this year. Soliemani killed 3 January. Ukraine plane " shot down" on 8 Jan 2020.


    Edit :  I could believe a domestic agent being responsible or a foreign agent for the teacher 's  killing. But in case of previous assassinations of university professors , they are all nuclear and physics teachers. I find it hard to believe that only nuclear scientists , should somehow become outspoken politically , and thus become targets of domestic terrorism. So it is obvious to me that foreign terrorism was responsible for their killings.

    Now, there is little or no details about this latest assassination. Only that unlike the many  previous assassinations, there is little or no news about it in Iran . This is strange. Now if he was not a Nuclear scientist,  and perhaps a Geography teacher, then this rules out foreign activity. Together with media silence. Does anyone know?

    i dont think there is any doubt that israelis are doing this with or without outside and inside help.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:12 pm

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/166147/Zarif-s-trip-to-Russia-Azerbaijan-postponed

    Postponed since no decision yet in Iran about NK agreement ? I think if Turkey gains access to the  R. AZER now , in a big way, then this will create a separatist move in Iran. And Iran can not allow that. So no Rail link to Baku at present. And Turkey has to pull back major time.

    Iran must now do social engineering inside Iran, to change ethnic makeup of border regions near Turkey and R. AZER. This can be done in the following ways, and will take decades to complete.

    ( 1)  In border regions, new settlements and industry can be built. And non- Azeri speaking people moved in. This will create a non-pure ethnic mix. And stop sectarian political or military moves by Azeri majority in future.

    ( 2 ) Azeri speakers can be resettled in other parts of Iran and Farsi speakers moved in. Economic incentives can be provided. Again increasing ethnic mixing.

    ( 3 ) At regions where ethnic Azeris are demarcated from Persians, further inland, factories can be built that employ diverse groups. This will create intermarriage and further mixing.

    ( 4 ) The same policy can be carried out in R. AZER, by Iran. Until after a few generations, the population in Iran and R. AZER both become very diverse and mixed and similar in makeup . Not ethnically pure. But cosmopolitan.

    ( 5 ) The same policy to be carried out in Iranian Kurdistan.

    Only once this policy is complete, can Turks have free access to Caucases. Since their involvement then, can not create a sectarian war in ethnically pure areas. So talk of access is too early. About 50 years too early or more. If Turks push for access, then Iran can retaliate and support Kurd separatism in Turkey. And it will be immune itself, since Iranian Kurdistan also would become ethnically impure and mixed by policy.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:35 pm

    If correct what will the response to this be?

    Amid speculation that Israel is on war footing over a possible strike in Iran in the coming weeks, moments ago Iranian state media reported that the country's top nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was assassinated in Damavand, east of Tehran. He was reportedly accompanied by his bodyguard when they were attacked by a “suicide” attacker at the entrance of Absard town.

    According to IPF News, Fakhrizadeh was killed by shooting, but before the shootout, his car has been stopped with an explosion at Mostafa Khomeini Blvd. Several others are also reportedly killed in the incident, but haven’t been identified yet.

    Fakhrizadeh was a brigadier general in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) and headed Iran’s nuclear weapons project.

    He was a professor of physics at the Imam Hussein University in Tehran and was former head of Iran's Physics Research Center.

    While there has been no official confirmation of the death yet, and Iran Atomic Energy organization has denied the reports, saying that no incident involving nuclear scientists took place according to ISNA News Agency, Iran's revolutionary guards commander wrote on Twitter that Iran will avenge the killing of scientists as it has in the past according to the Jerusalem Post.

    No one has yet claimed responsibility for the assassination, but the Israeli regime has a history of hiring hit men to assassinate nuclear scientists in Iran.

    In 2018, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said "remember that name" after he announced that the Mossad had obtained 100,000 files from Iran's secret nuclear archives. The files retrieved by Mossad focused on the secret Iranian nuclear program that was developed from 1999 to 2003 called Project Amad, which was led by Fakhrizadeh. When Iran entered the 2015 nuclear deal, it denied that such a program existed.

    After the April 2018 killing of several nuclear scientists in Iran, a "protective shield of secrecy and security" had been thrown around Fakhrizadeh, in an effort to protect him against Israeli assassins.

    In 2003, Iran was forced to shelve Project Amad, but not its nuclear ambitions. It reportedly split its program into an overt program and a covert one that continued the nuclear work under the title of scientific knowhow development, Netanyahu said at the time. It continued this work in a series of organizations, which in 2018 were led by SPND, an organization inside Iran’s Defense Ministry led by the same person who led Project Amad – Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, Netanyahu said.

    According to the WSJ, Fakhrizadeh is often described as Iran’s Robert Oppenheimer, the developer of the world’s first atomic bombs, and not because of the Iranian’s latent pacifist convictions. His name came to light about a decade ago as the elusive head of Iran’s Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research, widely believed to be the group conducting Iran’s nuclear-weaponization work. In 2012 the Journal’s Jay Solomon reported that, after lying low for a few years, Fakhrizadeh had “opened a research facility in Tehran’s northern suburbs involved in studies relevant to developing nuclear weapons.”



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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:43 pm

    Not the first time.

    Interesting timing, couple days ago Iran switch wester prisoner for two iranian detained in Thailand for trying to kill israeli ambassador there after israrli killed an iranian.

    Maybe the scenario will repeat.

    Iran is also very active at answering every US/Israrli attacks. I guess they will try to kill an israeli the same way.
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    Post  nero Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:08 pm

    The Iranian Ministry of Defense issued a statement confirming the news of the assassination and killing of a nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh.

    https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1332336914863689730
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:28 pm

    A top Iranian nuclear scientist has been assassinated.

    https://twitter.com/Bradjstone80/status/1332347418986172417?s=20

    The extent of the Mossad’s intelligence and operational reach inside the Islamic Republic
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    Post  nero Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:58 pm

    Sujoy wrote:The extent of the Mossad’s intelligence and operational reach inside the Islamic Republic

    You mean MEK? As they are the ones that likely did it with support from Mossad and the CIA.

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    Post  Backman Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:12 pm

    One of the best follows on the middle east and Iran on twitter is https://twitter.com/ejmalrai?lang=en imo

    Magnier - is it over? I don't think so. More hits to expected in the coming days/weeks.

    #Israel and #SaudiArabia will do everything to try and drag #Iran into a war. It will depend on the size of the hit. As long as it is limited damage (with all due respect), no war.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 pm

    Who benefits?  Iran's Nuclear capability not affected by this. And whoever organised this, knows very well. So what's the point? What's the point of attacking a Lab in Natanz?  It is insignificant .

    So why not just attack and destroy the entire Nuclear infrastructure by a war ?  Ah, Iran will hit back! And they will loose. So these assassinations serve what purpose?  Put pressure?  But if they need a major war to try to damage Nuclear infrastructure, and even then will not succeed, then they are not fools to think that this " pressure" will make slightest difference.

    So they follow another objective. Pressure against any possible peace process. But Iran will give a quiet and proportional response. And keep calm and carry on. The carrot and the stick. Not the carrot OR the stick. A carrot for a Horse and a stick for a Donkey. But this time a bigger stick for the Donkey.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:33 pm


    Wasn't this guy supposed to have protection detail or something? Suspect

    Especially if he was still active in nuclear projects?


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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Wasn't this guy supposed to have protection detail or something?  Suspect

    Especially if he was still active in nuclear projects?



    He had a bodyguard but you can't be 100% protected 24/7. The attack was well planed.
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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:34 pm

    Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .

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    Post  par far Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:52 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .


    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.

    Iran will hit back(if they don't hit back, then it will be perceived as weakness) but I think Iran will hit back smartly. We will see.
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    Post  Backman Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:17 pm

    par far wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .


    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.  

    Iran will hit back(if they don't hit back, then it will be perceived as weakness) but I think Iran will hit back smartly. We will see.

    Israel did it for the same reason that it has been killing its enemies since 1948. To quote from the movie Munich, why cut your finger nails ? They are just gonna grow back.

    Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US. They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now. They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.
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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:27 pm

    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.

    Yeah actually she always used to say "My wish is for nuclear treatment of cancer to be as available and as cheap as Aspirin" .

    But they afraid from the knowledged people .She was a student of Dr Ali Moustafa Mosharafa ,the one Einstein said about him " I used to follow up his researches in atomic energy, definitely he is one of the best scientists in physics".
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    Post  crod Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:43 pm

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    par far wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .

    Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US. They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now. They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.

    As unpalatable as it will be, yes, that’s what they need to do, wait it out. This attack won’t stop things but the wrong response could do.

    Their interests imo would be to redouble their efforts to root out the Mossad safe houses they established during the friendly shah days. That would really hurt israel. Not to mention some intel they would get from their ‘questioning’ of said agents before they caught COVID-19 and succumbed to it....very very difficult for them to achieve this but not impossible either. They need a lucky break, there is always a lucky break.

    They can spend the next while planning other attacks.

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    Post  crod Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:13 pm

    The other point I’d make, is why would such a high value asset only have one armed guard? Why not be in convoy and surrounded by special forces every where he went? From the media reports it would appear there was only 1(?) armed guard with him, a relative who was his bodyguard.
    Given the history of these type assassinations, surely the security should have been stronger and more detailed?
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    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:34 pm


    No reason to wait. For all we know, Biden was involved. Since now he shares Intel with Trump. This could even be a " compromise" position. One where the Hawks, get an insurance policy against peace , during Biden presidency.

    But even if Biden not involved, Trump now lame Duck. Out of office and no one will miss him, when he is gone. And the Iranians had the writing on the wall for him, once he left office. This just brings the timetable forward.

    And Usraelis need a constant reminder. So many targets. Iranians are spoilt for choice. I do not see why waiting is of any use. So many Usrael University. So many professors.

    And if anyone from Albania was involved, well Iranians can reach deep and touch their new camp Ashraf with few BM. Otherwise they hold meetings with Bolton in USA. Hundreds of them. All gathered together in one place.

    When it comes to a box of chocolates, I always have them all............ LOL.

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