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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:01 am

    My reasoning is based on the fact that the US doesn't want the existing deal because it does not control Iran enough... even under the deal Iran can interfere in Syria (not judging, just stating a fact... Iran has every right to help its ally Syria in this conflict... in fact more right than the US has to destabilise Syria for its own selfish reasons) and creating long range rockets means Iran can launch her own satellites and the ability to put up satellites and see what Israel and other hostile neighbours are doing in the region can give Iran more power than they want it to have.

    Obviously Iran wont want to sign a deal that means it cannot support allies like Syria or the Palestinians, and it cannot design and make long range missiles to defend itself, so that means Iran is where it was before the agreement was signed... ie back under sanctions and economic blockade.

    Now if Iran decides to withdraw from the NPT then Russia could no longer help them with civilian nuclear power generation, because that is what the signing of the NPT treaty is supposed to provide... you say no to weapons and get power generation technology given to you.

    The only obvious reason to withdraw from the NPT is because you intend to make nuclear weapons and that creates a race, and they will decide how long it would take to make a few bombs and that will be their window to attack you and stop you from building a nuclear weapon... in other words you are telling them to attack you.

    What I am suggesting is that you build up your conventional military first... I talk about Su-30s and MiG-31s but what is most important is an IADS that will command and control your resources to maximise your efficiency. The British didn't have a more powerful air force than the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain... they had much fewer planes, but it was communication and coordination that led to them being able to win most of the fights because distance meant all of the enemy planes could not be present at one time, and watching them they could determine how many interceptors to send up to have a good chance of doing some serious damage without sending up all the planes all the time and exhausting the pilots and ground crew and wearing out the planes.

    Iran does not need to protect every square inch of their land... they don't need thousands of planes and thousands of major SAM systems... look at what the Syrians have done on their own, with fairly limited resources.

    And that is the other thing... the Americans complained about their ESM aircraft being jammed... when has that ever happened before?

    When has a little middle east country they attacked actually been able to strike back?

    And I don't mean terrorist attacks like 11/9 or the USS Cole attack... especially when they were largely Saudi Arabian attacks on the US, or the USS Liberty attack which was Israel....

    It would not be impossible for Iran to buy Yakhont missiles... 300km range is plenty... most places the gulf is are not even that wide... they could position shipping crates all along their coastline... they can make temporary housing out of them in places... there could be thousands along there as cheap accommodation for locals... and then they could buy the containerised Yakhont system from Russia... and put them there too.

    If war happens , then Iran can not protect itself with conventional weapons . Even very good ones from Russia .

    Actually I think they can... with good coordination, and we know there are several reasons why there is war in Syria and Yemen and indeed in Iraq, but not in Iran... they can claim all the superiority they like but Iran is rather stronger than they like already... Iraq and Syria are in wars because they are too friendly with Iran... if Iran was weak it would have been easier to attack Iran... but they haven't.

    And the Russians will not go to nuclear war with yanks over Iran . They will not even go to conventional war with yanks over Syria .

    Of course... because they recognise nuclear war as being suicide, and that a conventional war could easily escalate out of control to become a nuclear war and therefore also suicide... but you could argue that only firing 105 missiles against three empty targets and not sending those missiles anywhere near Russian forces means the US and UK and France don't want a nuclear or conventional war with Russia either.

    If the US or Israel think Iran could actually nuke Israel then they wont be so aggressive either...

    I hate to say it, but defence agreements that include Russia and China and Iran and other countries in the region could be very valuable to Iran... but I think Iran will have to change some of its policies... including foreign bases on its territory.

    Iran has an enormous coastline along the Persian Gulf... it could find a place that could be suitable for a reasonable port where there is nothing at the moment and they could say to Russia or China that they can build a modest size base to resupply and support operations in the region in return for building up infrastructure in the region in a mutual agreement where Russia or China can't just stay forever and abuse the situation, but Iran can't just chuck them out when everything is built and have a free port built for them by Russia or China...

    I remember reading of a rail line that was going to be built through Iran and Russian companies were interested... that railway could connect that port to Russia for things they need from Russia to support operations but foodstuffs and services could be bought locally to support the local economy.

    Everybody wins.

    Therefore Iran needs nukes . It's own independent detterent .

    Totally agree, but nukes will take time and if you don't build up conventional defences it can be attacked before it is ready.

    That is why I suggest long term nukes, but short term building up conventional forces to just defend yourself... and continue with the long range rockets... but make it space oriented... joint ventures with the Russian space agency... launch pads nearer to the equator get extra speed from the earths rotation for many orbit paths... (makes not difference for polar orbits, but for geostationary orbits it can allow a higher orbit than with the same rocket from a different place further away from the equator).

    Putin is a fool to call them 'our Western partners'........What a joke! 30 years now since the end of the Soviet Union, and these guys haven't relented for one single day trying to undermine Russia.

    I think he means in terms of having to work together... like fellow workers rather than spouses... you don't need to even like the people you work with... you just need to cooperate and get things done.

    And @ Garry, it will be a miracle for any weapons deals to materialize between Russia/ China and Iran as there is tremendous pressure from the Zionist controlled US to fall in line, unless Russo-West relations decline further. Only then there is some hope.

    I think the attack by UK, US, and France has changed the thinking... I think Syria will likely be getting ex Russian S-300 systems are they are withdrawn from service and replaced by S-400 and S-350... and I rather suspect some of those will also be offered to Iran as well.

    To be clear I think Syria will be getting these systems for free... and it would not surprise me if they didn't do something similar for Iran if there was a chance to sell you an IADS to make them more useful.

    I think Iran should be looking at A-50s at the very least and perhaps A-100s if they are for sale. Conversely they could easily approach the Russian Navy and say... you guys are working on EM cats for carriers to launch AEW or AWACS platforms... we want to make a land based version... lets build one together and share the costs... the plane we base it on we will also build as a short range airliner transport for civilian and military use and you guys could do the same to make these cheap... Iran could even make parts for the Russian planes and vice versa... Iran and Russia and the Ukraine were building the An-148 or something weren't they?

    The same factories could be used to make this aircraft, though the land based model can be simpler and cheaper as it wont need folding wings or tail hooks...

    Cheap light transport aircraft are useful and could replace aircraft in the An-26 and An-32 class... it could be a turboprop or a turbofan.
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    Post  lulldapull on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:04 am

    This is some news......sounds like Iran Russia drawing closer:

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804261063913414-iran-enlighs-language-monopoly/

    And lo and behold Iran signed a contract today for 40 Sukhoi Super Jets SSJ-100's.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/25/559703/Iran-seals-deals-to-buy-40-Sukhoi-SuperJets-
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:29 am

    @GarryB

    Agree that Iran should not openly withdraw from NPT , but I should have added that , it could do so at a time when nuclear arsenal is complete , but yet not revealed . As a warning . With the aim of forcing the other side to back down . A little better than a nuke test . But the reason they are considering it now , could indicate they are already there .

    As far as equipping Iran with Russian jet fighters . I agree . Since we may not go to nuclear exchange immediately . And we may have to effectively defend for a few months . I have been also saying Iran should buy Russian passenger planes and not rely on yank and Co . I am glad they are doing this . But Russia must provide repair and servicing of planes , since Iranian companies wanting to make quick profit , may not spend as much on this . And blame " Russian planes " , for any accident caused by own greed .

    The amount of money Iran spends on Russian fighter jets , should not be so high as to detract Iran from building nuclear arsenal . Because like Russia , any war with yank or usraeli will quickly turn nuclear . Or the threat of it .Just imagine Iran sinking an aircraft carrier . That it can do . With 5000 yank sailor dead . What is yank response ? Or yank destroy a dam in Iran or hit nuclear power with radiation . What is Iranian response ? So conventional arms will play a role . But not as a big a role as a conflict with say Saudi . Here nukes not needed . But with Pakistan for example , yes nukes needed .
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:45 am

    And lo and behold Iran signed a contract today for 40 Sukhoi Super Jets SSJ-100's.

    This is really good, because it will force the need for a model of aircraft without US components... and that means Russian or even Iranian companies can vie to produce those components.

    Once they start producing these bits they can improve them to the point where they are as good at least as the American parts and then perhaps start replacing those parts in more and more aircraft (ie the same aircraft type and other aircraft types too).

    They are selling mostly to countries who want a good plane... first and foremost it has to do the job well to be chosen over a Boeing or Airbus, but it will also be sold to countries having problems with the US or Europe because they don't have other choices... and for them less US components makes sense as well...

    Agree that Iran should not openly withdraw from NPT , but I should have added that , it could do so at a time when nuclear arsenal is complete , but yet not revealed . As a warning . With the aim of forcing the other side to back down . A little better than a nuke test . But the reason they are considering it now , could indicate they are already there .

    Lets be honest and face facts... Israel and the US and to a lessor extent the EU will jump up and down and claim Iran is building nuclear weapons if they scrap this new agreement... whether they have any evidence or not... we have seen no evidence is needed... just some defector or white helmet video on youtube and they are guilty...

    In such an environment it will be hard to create facilities to build nuclear weapons...

    The NPT treaty guarantees Iran access to commercial nuclear technology to generate electrical power but this access has been criticised and blocked by the west every chance it got.

    Only Iran has needed this extra agreement to ease sanctions... sanctions that should never have been imposed in the first place...

    Israel is immune to this... they never signed the NPT but for some reason they don't have to... different rules apply it seems.

    But Russia must provide repair and servicing of planes , since Iranian companies wanting to make quick profit , may not spend as much on this . And blame " Russian planes " , for any accident caused by own greed .

    There was an agreement between Iran, the Ukraine and Russia to make An-140 aircraft wasn't there?

    Iran would make their own planes, Russia would make its own planes and ukraine would make planes too...

    Well that must have gone tits up, so why not pick a similar Russian transport and build them in Iran in the factor that made the Ukie planes?

    It could also be redesigned to service other Russian aircraft of all types... hell, they could make basic simple Su-30s. That would be very cheap as they would pretty much actually be Su-27UBs but made with modern practises... as commerce builds up and Iran becomes more wealthy they could upgrade components and turn these aircraft from Su-27UBs to two seat Su-35s if they want to... depending on how much they want to spend.

    Making them themselves no one will be able to cut off supply or deny them spare parts.

    They could integrate RVV-BDs into the design and replace their F-14s with these aircraft.

    Just looking at the new products Iran makes... they have talent... really only limited by the fact that they are basing their new stuff on 1970s US stuff that they already operate ...give them new designs and they could be world class...

    The amount of money Iran spends on Russian fighter jets , should not be so high as to detract Iran from building nuclear arsenal . Because like Russia , any war with yank or usraeli will quickly turn nuclear . Or the threat of it .Just imagine Iran sinking an aircraft carrier . That it can do . With 5000 yank sailor dead . What is yank response ? Or yank destroy a dam in Iran or hit nuclear power with radiation . What is Iranian response ? So conventional arms will play a role . But not as a big a role as a conflict with say Saudi . Here nukes not needed . But with Pakistan for example , yes nukes needed .

    The value of an Iranian nuke is not getting to use it... it is making the west and Israel back off because they no longer win if it comes down to an escalation spiral.

    In Syria or Iraq the US can pretty much do what it likes including invading and sending in troops... even illegally under international law, because they are sure as long as they don't go too far no consequences for them or their forces in the region.

    Obviously they wont attack Russian forces or Russian bases because they know the Russians can attack their forces in the region too so that is the limit...

    What Iran needs is not some super powerful airforce that will stop anything and everything... a couple of A-50s and a couple of dozen Su-30s on their own could dramatically blunt a cruise missile attack with 100 missiles... and that is not even considering SAMs located near potential targets... specifically TOR and Panstir systems.

    Some blimp radars... which would also improve radio communications in mountainous regions together with ground based radar and SAMs... integrated into a unified air defence system to coordinate all the assets on land and in the air means the best protection for Iran... and at some stage a satellite to help monitor the airspace in the region... and then you could build a nuclear weapon building facility with its rooftops decorated with target symbols all you want and there is little the US could do.

    The key is some specific components and full integration and cooperation.

    Building basic Flankers under licence relatively cheaply offers a move forward in aircraft design that should be attainable and valuable for Iran.. they don't need 5th gen stealthy planes... they would be too expensive for their needs and they would likely not need such aircraft.

    With A-50UKs or even A-100Ks (why not spend a little more when you are only going to be buying three or four and get the extra performance) your planes don't need to be dogfighters that Israeli fighters can test to the limits... load them up with RVV-BD and attack them from 200km away... and R-77s and fight them from 100km away... and you could use the fact that the Israeli F-35s wont be carrying many missiles on their long range strikes against Iran... an Su-30 could carry a couple of RVV-BDs and a half dozen R-77s and the rest could be R-74s... use the RVV-BDs at max range against any support aircraft the Israeli aircraft might have... tankers and AWACS and jammer aircraft and the R-77s to shoot down any AMRAAMs the F-35s fire... and when you get really close the R-74s against gun armed F-35s should be pretty one sided no matter what the talent of the F-35 pilots...

    Protect your A-100s and you should be able to shoot down the other threats using data from the A-100... and you can probably incorporate electronic upgrades for the S-300s and use the A-100s to terminally guide your missiles against aircraft and cruise missiles...

    There was a time when no air defence system would have a chance against a cruise missile attack, but these days with the right components and money spent in specific areas on the right equipment you could get a rather good defence without spending a fortune...

    The AWACS is worth spending on... but with fighters an Su-30 with decent weapons has range and endurance and plenty of weapon pylons. Its lack of a super radar is not important because the A-100 and blimp radars will be doing the dog work there... blimp radars that can each operate for 3 months at a time, plus A-100 aircraft that could cover much of Iranian airspace each... having 3-4 of them should allow round the clock coverage when needed... and with inflight refuelling and extra crews coverage could be even better. A few TOR and Pantsir batteries beneath each radar blimp and S-300s and TOR and Pantsir near potential targets like Comms centres, HQs, and airfields of course.., and nuclear power stations and "research facilities".

    Iran makes its own MANPADs... and the latest models with proximity fuses are perfectly suited to shooting down low flying cruise missiles... as long as they get warning in time... provided by blimps and aircraft.

    Moving blimps around regularly would make planning an attack a nightmare, which would make the blimps a priority target... being aware of that, this means you get warning of an attack if something happens to a few blimps...

    Hell you could use information from the radar blimps to better map the weather in the mountains, which would be valuable anyway.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:37 pm

    I agree with what you said about building conventional forces with Russian help . And I agree with you that a withdrawal from nuclear agreement will make things difficult for Iran . So it should not be done impetously . I think that any withdrawal from agreement or NPT , should happen only when Iran already possess a nuclear detterent , and when things are getting quite bad . As I said it is a little better than conducting a nuclear test .

    My feeling about this whole thing , is that the yanks are not happy with their position in Iran and middle East . And neither are usraeli or Saudi. But Europeans are happy . So I think there is real disagreement between the two . And I feel that they have decided to allow the yanks and co, to go ahead with withdrawing from deal . And they will initially come out in support . Saying things like , Iran should scrap missiles or limit or withdraw from Syria etc . I feel the Europeans have given the yanks a time limit of two months . During this time , we may expect , as well as yanks withdrawing from deal , some additional measures . These could be diplomatic . Like closing Iranian interest diplomatic section in US , or freezing some assets , or even some limited military strike . Say against a " missile site " .

    I feel during this time , the Europeans will remain silent . TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS . If Iranian gave in and negotiated , then all is well . But if they stood firm , then I think the Europeans will step in and play the good cop . They will then try to buildup their damaged relations with Iran . And regain their more comfortable position in Iranian markets . The yanks at this stage will have lost . Probably for another fifty years , any chance of entering Iranian markets . But they would have caused some material damage to Iran too . Possibly damaging infrastructure .

    I feel the period of grace for the yanks is short . Say a couple of months . During this period , I think Iran should not show any weakness . Or withdraw from agreement . But of course defend itself . Neither should it alienate Europe . Even if they give verbal approval to yanks . What happens if sanctions extend beyond a couple of months . And Iran can not say export oil . Then my friend , they will decide to react . An unpleasant reaction .


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    Post  lulldapull on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:52 pm

    Guys extreme silence on Russia/ Iran weapons deals........the Su-30SM deal looks dead in the water! No news, NOTHING!
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 01, 2018 9:10 am

    They are probably in limbo because if the US fails to ratify the agreement then there are no Russian sanctions against Iran... they could donate some MiG-31s and sell some Su-35s if that agreement is ripped up...
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 01, 2018 7:44 pm

    Israel doesn't want war with Iran, so Bibi says but it would love the US to have one. At least he is consistent in his lies, sorry claims.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 02, 2018 3:09 am

    The terrorist nation with nuclear weapons is accusing Iran of supporting terrorism and wanting to develop nuclear weapons... even though Iran has abided by the rules and signed the NPT treaty, and Israel never did... I can't remember the last time Iran invaded anyone, but I don't have enough fingers to count all the Israeli attacks of self defence in the last decade let alone the entire period of its existence...
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    Post  lulldapull on Sat May 05, 2018 1:04 pm

    1 week to go folks. The end of the JCPOA is upon us. I'd be surprised if Putin sells Iran those long requested Su-30SM's. Already been three years now since the JCPOA was signed, and if I hear Lavrov say one more fukking time......'our western partners wishes might be hurt if we transfer anything to Iran'.......I'd lose all hope in this Russia/ Iran alliance.

    Lavrov's fukking grovelling to the Zio's is at its limit. He ought to be ashamed of himself!
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 2:24 pm

    Israel might be tempted to strike immediately if it hears Iran is going to get new weapons... if they think Iran is getting new Flankers and S-300 systems then they might try to strike Iran before they arrive/become operational.

    Even just a pin prick attack to set things off could be bad for Iran, because trump is an idiot.

    I really doubt North Korea would even want the US involved in any treaties with the way the US drops them when it feels like it.

    But North Korea does not need to get the US on board... what they need is talks with the south.

    Sadly it would not matter who Iran talks to... basically everyone that signed is happy except the US, and Israel didn't sign anything so they can go fuck themselves...
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    Post  nomadski on Tue May 08, 2018 10:29 am

    ......."GarryB"......."Israel might be tempted to strike immediately if it hears Iran is going to get new weapons... if they think Iran is getting new Flankers and S-300 systems then they might try to strike Iran before they arrive/become operational.

    Even just a pin prick attack to set things off could be bad for Iran, because trump is an idiot.

    I really doubt North Korea would even want the US involved in any treaties with the way the US drops them when it feels like it.

    But North Korea does not need to get the US on board... what they need is talks with the south.

    Sadly it would not matter who Iran talks to... basically everyone that signed is happy except the US, and Israel didn't sign anything so they can go fuck themselves........."


    Fortunately I doubt Iranians care too much what usraelis say or do . Nor should they care what yanks say . It is clear that the yanks have chosen war . And make no mistake about it , the yanks are not going to sit still and let Iranians trade with the world and exclude them and develop independent foreign policy and support regional states against yank inspired dissolution and break up .

    Even if Russia and China and Europe and the rest of the world sticks with the Deal . And Iranian economy survives through their support and reorganising itself to become more self sufficient , and Iran does not go to war against yank . Still they will go to war . Once they feel they have an advantage . Perhaps more demonstrations on the streets .

    And I said Iran should now have a secret nuclear detterent . Absolutely . But should not reveal this . Until it becomes necessary . As in severe political pressure , brought on by sanction imposed economic hardship . Or direct threat of imminent military attack by yank . Certainly Iranians should not wait to declare themselves a nuclear weapon state , when they are too weak to fight a war . And have been diminished to the level of people in Yemen .

    But for now , if they will not declare themselves a nuclear weapon state . Because the nuclear arsenal is not ready or they don't face the threat of imminent military attack . Then in response to Trump , a suitable response may be to display say ICBM missiles . And do a test firing . No law against that .

    One way of developing a nuke arsenal quick . Without the yanks having time to react is that say ten prototypes need to be built . Each prototype will be a hundred in number of devices . Ten prototypes can be tested underground simultaneously . one design that has the highest yield then can be used to arm quickly the one hundred prototypes with fissile material , or so warheads of same type . Of course the fissile metal must be of same size and dimensions . Nuke detterent in an afternoon .

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    Post  lulldapull on Sun May 13, 2018 4:29 am

    The zio's can try whatever they want. At the end of the day Iran will prevail in Syria. These pussy attacks don't change anything on the ground whatsoever. A few months maybe even years from now Syria will be in the same predicament as Iraq is today.....an Iranian colony.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 13, 2018 5:41 am


    The EU will not stand by Iran and the JCPOA. Here’s why.

    Despite their anger European leaders will not risk rupture of their links with the US because of Iran


    http://theduran.com/eu-claims-to-stand-by-jcpoa-with-iran-should-not-be-taken-seriously-heres-why/
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    Post  lulldapull on Sun May 13, 2018 6:14 am

    Russia/ China/ Iran troika is all that matters in the Eurasian integration. Iran's main customers are India, china, Sk and Japan. EU is a secondary customer. Can be replaced and probably will be.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2017/1217/How-Iran-the-Mideast-s-new-superpower-is-expanding-its-footprint-across-the-region-and-what-it-means

    Iran doesn't need the EU, the EU needs Iran.

    Iran controls Iraq (second largest Oil & Gas reserves in the world), Syria, Lebanon and soon Yemen. What about Serbia?......lol

    Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

    Bahrain and Qatif (Sawdi eastern province, where all the oil lies, and its 100% shia) are next on Iran's list to destabilize and take over. Let's see who has the last laugh. I bet it won't be the EU.......lol

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    The EU will not stand by Iran and the JCPOA. Here’s why.

    Despite their anger European leaders will not risk rupture of their links with the US because of Iran


    http://theduran.com/eu-claims-to-stand-by-jcpoa-with-iran-should-not-be-taken-seriously-heres-why/
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    Post  nomadski on Sun May 13, 2018 9:58 am

    I agree that Iran can still manage well without Europe . If others continue to trade with Iran . But getting Europe on our side will make things easier . The only way to confront trump , is on governmental level . Single companies do not have the clout to do it alone . And they can not face the risks .

    Therefore European states can impose counter sanctions against US firms in retaliation . If they are being sanctioned by yanks . The European states can then compensate each firm for any losses in profits . This could be done by state investment in these companies .

    In this way alone , can Europe confront the Yank onslaught . Of course if this escalates , then Europeans may have to back down . But I think an initial concerted joint effort , by all Europe , may convince trump to back down . Merkel needs to take the lead . And quick . The contracts will be going to the Chinese soon .

    This idea of Europe providing guarantees . How is this possible ? It is better that they deliver the goods and services first . And only then , they get paid . Not like before . When oil is delivered . And no payment made . They always have to fulfill their part of bargain first . This is only acceptable guarantee . Verbal guarantee and agreement no good .

    The present contract with airbus is the same . Deliver a plane and then get paid . If not then not acceptable . Give money for oil first . Then get oil . Otherwise not acceptable . If you do not buy oil or sell plane because of trump sanction then you have imposed secondary sanction . You are in breach of nuclear deal . No new agreement can be made with Europe . Bye bye JCPOA , hello world .




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    Post  lulldapull on Sun May 13, 2018 11:24 am

    These EU fags are just a buncha fukkin human garbage. Iran doesn't need shit from them. Only that they keep buying Iran/ Iraq oil and gas.

    Other than that, once the Comac/ MS-21 series comes out, Iran wouldn't need them at all!

    Today Sukhoi stressed that future US sanctions won't affect the 40 SSJ's heading to Iran:

    Sukhoi to supply SuperJets to Iran despite sanctions:

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/13/561540/Sukhoi-to-supply-SuperJets-to-Iran-despite-sanctions

    nomadski wrote:I agree that Iran can still manage well without Europe . If others continue to trade with Iran . But getting Europe on our side will make things easier . The only way to confront trump , is on governmental level . Single companies do not have the clout to do it alone . And they can not face the risks .

    Therefore European states can impose counter sanctions against US firms in retaliation . If they are being sanctioned by yanks . The European states can then compensate each firm for any losses in profits . This could be  done by state investment in these companies .

    In this way alone , can Europe confront the Yank onslaught . Of course if this escalates , then Europeans may have to back down . But I think an initial concerted joint effort , by all Europe , may convince trump to back down . Merkel needs to take the lead . And quick . The contracts will be going to the Chinese soon .

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 13, 2018 11:51 am

    Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

    Does that include the half of Syria under terrorist/US control and the areas Turkey is keeping the Kurds out of?

    The Europeans have a lot invested in Iran and Iranian deals and I really don't think they will leave the deal.

    Actually... sad as it is, it is actually beneficial for Trump and Israel that the other members of that deal keep it going... that deal means Iran has to not develop nuclear weapons... that suits the US and Israel. Withdrawing from the deal means they can reimpose their sanctions even though Iran is continuing to honour the deal with the other parties.

    If anything the only losers are the US companies that would have made money in Iran... now likely that money will be made by others.

    Bahrain and Qatif (Sawdi eastern province, where all the oil lies, and its 100% shia) are next on Iran's list to destabilize and take over. Let's see who has the last laugh. I bet it won't be the EU.......lol

    I do wish you guys would hurry up and destabilise those saudi bastards...
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    Post  nomadski on Sun May 13, 2018 1:27 pm

    @GarryB

    Our job is to unite people . Their job is to divide people . Iran could easily divide these colonial remnants . Based on historical or religious influence . And guess what , all these regions are highly rich in oil and strategic . This is no accident . Because ancient and old civilizations grew up in particular geological area . Where ancients could mine metals like copper . The same geology led to oil reserves . In same areas .

    Iran would be very powerful . But for shorter time . Since on the down side . There would exist a sectarian divide . Lasting for hundred years . And ultimately a disaster for Iran . So Iran by keeping unity of people and territorial integrity . Is thinking long term . Beyond narrow self interest . Or blind nationalism . Why have part of the cake now , when we can all share the cake tomorrow .

    But then Iran can afford to wait . Russia is well to make large investment in the future too . Of course the yanks are doing this with the world . Why have part of the cake now , with small gains . When you can , all by yourself , have ( they hope ) the entire world cake tomorrow? So the question is strategic for all concerned . Not a miserly few billion dollar gain . Here or there .


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    Post  lulldapull on Sun May 13, 2018 1:32 pm

    The old Persian saying nomadski...........

    Iran was born an empire! Without an empire, Iran is nothing!
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    Post  nomadski on Sun May 13, 2018 1:56 pm





    Certainly a region where there is national independence . Democracy . Peace . Tolerance . Trade . Laws . And not a doormat for yanks to walk on .....
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 13, 2018 2:57 pm

    lulldapull wrote:Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

    lol1

    Iran since late 2015 has been sitting on the sidelines while Russia was strengthening the core of SAA & co. year after year. Yes there are some few voluntary battalions (at most a weak brigade-level force), but that's it. Logistically speaking they're flying in a couple of C-130s every week. Their footprint is small and diminishing year after year, due to the nuclear deal.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 14, 2018 1:39 am

    Iran was born an empire! Without an empire, Iran is nothing!

    The problem with old sayings is that they don't change or allow for growth.

    Iran is more than an empire... for Syria and Yemen it is hope... and for the Shia populations in neighbouring countries it is hope.

    And for the rest of the world it is the best medicine against the wahhabist nutters that the Sunni seem to spread like shit...

    The only negative thing Iran does is support opposition to Israel... and that is enough for Israel and the US to make them the most evil group on the planet, but if you are not a zionist, who cares, they are no threat to anyone except some terrorist criminals that illegally made a country.

    Ironically, all Iran is actually doing is supporting a group that wants to do exactly the same thing... create a country called Palestine... and use any method fair or foul to do it... just as the people did who created Israel.
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    Post  yavar on Mon May 14, 2018 6:00 am

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    Post  nomadski on Mon May 14, 2018 8:16 am


    Here , for all those who do not speak Persian , this youtube video shows yank continuous UAV monitoring of ISIL operations . Even when they are planting IED . WITHOUT TARGETING THEM . And last bit shows them rescuing by choppers the ISIL leaders after defeat . ............what ! YouTube removed ! .......buzzard terrorist youtube .....

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