Education in Russia: News

andalusia wrote:I want to know is there a concern about failing public education in Russia and in other parts of Europe? Here in America, many people believe that the market would improve public education by having vouchers.  Moreover, many Americans dislike public schools since they think it is a socialist/ communist idea.  Is there faith in public schools in Russia and other parts of Europe?

I do not know about Russia, but in Italy the public schools are better than the private ones (the general opinion is that you go in a private schools you want to buy your high school diploma instead of studying for it, but maybe the situation is changing). Unfortunately, however, the quality is dropping in the recent years. Also almost all the good universities are public. (I do not like however how the money is spent in some cases, i believe that if something is paid by public money, it should because there is the need and opportunities to employ people in those roles or because they can give a real contribution to their field. If this is not the case, or people are not good enough to have the state pay for their studies, i believe they should do something else, or be willing.to pay full price for education.)

I find totally absurd that you have to pay a lot of money for a good education if you are capable and want to study something sensible.

In Germany also public education (both schools and University are to a high standard).
I like also the concept of berufausbildung (a vocational training of 2or 3 years thay many in Germany do as alternative to university). It is very well structured and include working and studying and recognized.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berufsausbildung

I would like to have this system implemented also in Italy.

Moscow State University in top 1% of world’s best universities, says its rector

On June 6, new QS World University Rankings have been published, in which MSU has gone up five positions and placed 90th

MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Lomonosov Moscow State University (MSU) has made top one percent of world’s best universities due to the tireless work of all its employees, MSU rector Viktor Sadovnichiy commented on the results of the newly published QS World University Rankings.

On June 6, new QS World University Rankings have been published, in which MSU has gone up five positions and placed 90th. MSU became the only Russian university to make the top 100.

"The Moscow [State] University has improved its positions once again, this year, we are 90th in the global rating of universities. In fact, we are in the top one percent of world’s leading universities, if we count all universities in the world. Of course, the university’s achievements are due to the tireless daily work of its employees," the rector noted.

He stressed that MSU employees are implementing large-scale innovative projects in the field of science.

"Our professors prepare the alumni that are most sought after by employers. MSU represents Russia on an international educational and scientific stage. Among its most significant projects are the creation of an electronic depositary of living systems "Noah’s Ark", research in the sphere of quantum technology, construction of a super computer complex, formation of new specialists in the space industry," Sadovnichiy said.

The QS team has analyzed data from more than 4,000 universities across 85 countries, and then created a ranking of 1,000 universities. During the ranking process, its creators took into account the following six criteria: academic reputation (40%), professor-student ratio (20%), reputation among employers (10%), citation index (20%), share of foreign professors (5%) and foreign students (5%).


More:
http://tass.com/society/1008296

Wow. Much of unbiased science flows into this ranking. "Academic Reputation". How is that measured? In Dollars?

Usually.

Others is graduates that follow through (business).

Places like MIT actually only accept people who are already established, and a way to connect. So of course it will be given top ratings. But if you are not established already? You can be smartest asshole in the world and you won't get in unless you A: already have an established career and possibly business or B: know or born to the right asshole.

Rather scewed markings imo.

Can´t remember all the details, but a few years ago a similar "study" by some english guys had to be axed after they revealed that they sucked the numbers from thin air.


One of the "basics" for such rankings is always the number of publications. In western sciences magazines. In english. No wonder russian and chinese are not in the top 10.

Hole wrote:Can´t remember all the details, but a few years ago a similar "study" by some english guys had to be axed after they revealed that they sucked the numbers from thin air.


One of the "basics" for such rankings is always the number of publications. In western sciences magazines. In english. No wonder russian and chinese are not in the top 10.

All these rankings and reports are there to provide propaganda talking points to the NATO fake stream media. They always
present some report or ranking as God given truth (TM). Most of these reports and rankings are worth less than used toilet
paper.

used toilet paper can be recycled.

Once again, the end of the world is nigh for Russia. Russian children are having a hard time with mathematics.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poor-maths-teaching-gives-primary-pupils-panic-attacks-gxl77x988

I never once experienced any panic or phobia of math. Even the rote multiplication table type teaching was
not some trauma. One has to be some sort of autistic to react this way to mathematics. These children
will be functionally illiterate adults. The problem is that the number of such autistics is increasing.
The key with autism is that it is a shades of grey disorder. Toxic chemicals are being found in umbilical
cords of newborns and this means that their brains are being damaged in the womb. They may not be
full bore retards needing trips on the short bus, but their IQ is reduced. Mathematics is a type of metric
for brain function and humans are experiencing an IQ degradation.

I don't think they are talking of russian students KVS.

miketheterrible wrote:I don't think they are talking of russian students KVS.

That wasn't what I was discussing. If you go back 50 years ago, standards for math education in the
west were high as well and I don't recall stories about children needing counseling help to deal with this
subject.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I don't think they are talking of russian students KVS.

That wasn't what I was discussing.   If you go back 50 years ago, standards for math education in the
west were high as well and I don't recall stories about children needing counseling help to deal with this
subject.

The way they teach math now, I don't get it. I was helping my wife's nephew with his math and he didn't understand how I got the numbers even though I did it as how I was taught, which is basic but effective.

Anyway, Russian kids are way ahead of our kids in the west on math. That much is obvious if one decides to take the math test for University application and they say it was grade 10 math in Russia. I tried it. Passed but man was it hard.

I don't know about the situation in Russia or other countries, but at my place I witness a disease which affects large parts of teachers, parents, and education staffs. That disease is "addiction to English".

These patients consider that knowing English as God. English here. English there. They even teach English to kindergarten children. The children come back home largely speak foreign language and have difficulties in speaking their own mother tongue.

They don't understand that English is just a tool, however useful that tool is. They become a slave of English and the ones who control English. The one you know who, from the other side of the ocean.

Maths, physics, chemistry,... are neglected by these people. Especially maths. While in fact maths is the most important subjects needed to be taught in school, because it helps the student to develop a logical mind. With a logical mind, students can do well in other subjects, including foreign language.

Language is about communication... what we really need is a simple language with only a few tens of thousands of words, very simple grammar and structure... we could make it politically correct... with no gender except for specific words like he or she or it.

An alphabet of maybe 12 letters...

higurashihougi wrote:

I don't know about the situation in Russia or other countries, but at my place I witness a disease which affects large parts of teachers, parents, and education staffs. That disease is "addiction to English".

These patients consider that knowing English as God. English here. English there. They even teach English to kindergarten children. The children come back home largely speak foreign language and have difficulties in speaking their own mother tongue.

They don't understand that English is just a tool, however useful that tool is. They become a slave of English and the ones who control English. The one you know who, from the other side of the ocean.

Maths, physics, chemistry,... are neglected by these people. Especially maths. While in fact maths is the most important subjects needed to be taught in school, because it helps the student to develop a logical mind. With a logical mind, students can do well in other subjects, including foreign language.

This is basically foreign sponsored subversion. It is spreading of the Anglo empire. When you mentioned the neglect of math and
hard sciences that immediately connected the dots. This is clearly a western (US-UK-NATO) agenda. De-focusing from hard science and
math basically dumbs down the education level and hence the mental level of the students.

Unfortunately, after 1990 the education level in Russia has also degraded and "western style" BS "education" started to become popular.

kvs wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:  

I don't know about the situation in Russia or other countries, but at my place I witness a disease which affects large parts of teachers, parents, and education staffs. That disease is "addiction to English".

These patients consider that knowing English as God. English here. English there. They even teach English to kindergarten children. The children come back home largely speak foreign language and have difficulties in speaking their own mother tongue.

They don't understand that English is just a tool, however useful that tool is. They become a slave of English and the ones who control English. The one you know who, from the other side of the ocean.

Maths, physics, chemistry,... are neglected by these people. Especially maths. While in fact maths is the most important subjects needed to be taught in school, because it helps the student to develop a logical mind. With a logical mind, students can do well in other subjects, including foreign language.

Unfortunately, after 1990 the education level in Russia has also degraded and "western style" BS "education" started to become popular.

That was probably true from the 90's to the mid-2000's, but for last 10 years they've been dominating the high school Science Olympiads....routinely matching, near-matching, or out beating students from countries with 3x (USA) or 10x (China and India) the population of the Federation....and in the case of America, a large percentage are made up of immigrant students from India and China... It should also be noted that Federation citizens have the highest per capita of college educated in the world at 55% (with a greater emphasis on hard sciences), more than double of America at 25%, the next leader would be Canada at 50% (with a greater emphasis of humanities).

The Russian team won 58 medals at the International Zhoutykovsky Olympiad

I like also the concept of berufausbildung (a vocational training of 2or 3 years thay many in Germany do as alternative to university). It is very well structured and include working and studying and recognized.

Here in New Zealand we have vocational training... we call them polytechs or polytechnics, where the learning is mostly hands on practical stuff that often generally leads to a job.

They are very hit and miss and while some are very well run, others are not so good. The government recently ruled that all polytechnics be joined together to pool their funding which the crap polys love because they can dip in to the funds of the well run ones... the well run ones of course are wondering why they are now expected to be carrying the ones that are not making money or doing a good job.

Some appear to be largely scams taking money for people for shit qualifications... womens studies and that sort of bullshit...

GarryB wrote:

I like also the concept of berufausbildung (a vocational training of 2or 3 years thay many in Germany do as alternative to university). It is very well structured and include working and studying and recognized.

Here in New Zealand we have vocational training... we call them polytechs or polytechnics, where the learning is mostly hands on practical stuff that often generally leads to a job.

They are very hit and miss and while some are very well run, others are not so good. The government recently ruled that all polytechnics be joined together to pool their funding which the crap polys love because they can dip in to the funds of the well run ones... the well run ones of course are wondering why they are now expected to be carrying the ones that are not making money or doing a good job.

Some appear to be largely scams taking money for people for shit qualifications... womens studies and that sort of bullshit...

In the USSR, polytechnical schools/institutes were not scams. They were more like MIT, which is a polytechnical institute. It is run as an advanced
research university, but the engineering part is the same. Women's studies and basket weaving are not supposed to be part of any polytech curriculum.
These are generic community college (aka dropout college) studies that have little value. That they are promoted in the west like the cat's meow in
education confirms the elite agenda to dumb down the population.

We have feminists and male fellow travelers touting the over-participation of women in the post-secondary level (college, university). This is
trotted out as some sort of justification for having women get every STEM position. The thing is that women do not take STEM courses
and get STEM degrees. Even if they do take pure math and physics courses in the first year, they drop out in droves. I saw this with my
own eyes (I won't give details). So a female with a bachelor's degree is not actually all that qualified on average. Post secondary education
outfits like universities have learned that they can introduce all sorts of vapid courses and charge money for them. This should have been
prevented since politically, a degree from an university is considered to have some weight. These days it only has weight for non-degraded
classical courses.

To be clear most polytechs in NZ are not scams and are well run and do a lot of good upskilling people quickly into trades.

We used to have apprenticeships that were great and terrible... great because it was hands on learning where you earned a reduced wage while you were learning but learned from someone in the work force actually working in the industry instead of from a lecturer who has never had a real job in their lives.

Terrible because sometimes it was just abused a good builder or electrician is not necessarily going to be a good teacher, and also sometimes the apprentice was used to do all the shit boring repetitive jobs the teacher didn't like doing... but then joining vinyl for three days is a good way to learn to join vinyl properly.

Apprenticeships were eliminated and pretty soon we started running out of skilled builders and plumbers and electricians etc.

My local polytech is a rather well run organisation that makes money but also has respected training courses... I have heard some in the North Island have courses which are really not useful for anything but they promote them to young people making them think a weird qualification would give them an edge in an interview... it doesn't if the qualification is not relevant.

We don't have community colleges, and didn't you know womens studies is a core requirement for the modern 21 C male... (kidding of course).

Basket weaving courses are popular along with carving courses and maori studies... there is plenty of demand for that stuff for tourism, and practical skills are becoming fashionable again... which I think is a good thing... when something of mine breaks I fix it... my nieces and nephews generally throw it in the bin and buy a new one... people are so wasteful these days... one failure or problem and it is in the bin.... that is the real reason the planet is .

GarryB wrote:To be clear most polytechs in NZ are not scams and are well run and do a lot of good upskilling people quickly into trades.

I gave the wrong impression since I was not accusing NZ of having a fully scam polytech system. But I latched onto
the fact that everywhere including in Canada we have substandard education outfits getting government money and
tuition revenue.

We don't have community colleges, and didn't you know womens studies is a core requirement for the modern 21 C male... (kidding of course).

OK, I did not know this. It sounded like community college was a generic thing. So your polytechs are a merged sort of entity that services
this part of the education "market".

Basket weaving courses are popular along with carving courses and maori studies... there is plenty of demand for that stuff for tourism, and practical skills are becoming fashionable again... which I think is a good thing... when something of mine breaks I fix it... my nieces and nephews generally throw it in the bin and buy a new one... people are so wasteful these days... one failure or problem and it is in the bin.... that is the real reason the planet is   .

For NZ these sorts of things are a bit different than Canada and the USA. We have our own rich aboriginal culture, but basket
weaving is not tied to it and tourism. It is more like a label for assorted value-less courses that make these education outfits
money but do not give the students any marketable skills.

In Canada in Ontario we had a streamed system for secondary education (high school) until 1990. It was eliminated by the NDP
a socialist government that somehow got into power by a fluke. I was actually not against de-streaming since it typecast
students into various job slots at too early a stage. Considering how poorly the high school systems was structured even
accounting for the streaming, there was justification. But they really did nothing but dumb everything down to merge the
streams. Instead they should have developed a solid curriculum that everyone needed to exert themselves to achieve and
introduced options where if you were really motivated and worked hard, them you could take more advanced courses. This
way nobody would be precluded from ranking up through their own initiative. Under streaming you are stuck in a hole.

So I advocate the same philosophy for post-secondary education. Students should not be shunted into community colleges
and should have options. If they want trades, then they can take trades courses and get an apprenticeship. If they want
to go into graduate school and do particle physics, then they should have the right physics and mathematics course available.
There is enough serious education to prevent the fluff courses altogether.

OK, I did not know this. It sounded like community college was a generic thing. So your polytechs are a merged sort of entity that services
this part of the education "market".

My limited knowledge of what a community college is makes me think our equivalent is that some high schools here run night classes for people who work to learn new skills and get new qualifications. Things like food handling courses for someone wanting to get into a food related industry, or some other skill they want like metal work or wood work or cooking or sewing.

The merge of the polytechs is only recent and I believe is its just funding, I don't think they are unifying the courses.

If you want to become an electrician or a wielder or a car mechanic or panel beater there are courses at polytechnic that will train you up with all the basic skills to get you an entry level job with a company and they can further your training sort of thing.

They don't have dentistry courses or medical courses except things like midwifery and other such BS. (some of the BS they teach about childbirth made several of my sisters refuse their services...).

This
way nobody would be precluded from ranking up through their own initiative. Under streaming you are stuck in a hole.

Well that is a problem these days... I grew up at a time when there were jobs if you were prepared to do anything and everything... there is no job where you love everything about it... they all have their unpleasant or boring sides, but if you wanted variety you could always get another job. Of course back then loyalty and long duration employment meant something so you often had to explain gaps or rapid job changes to new employers... these days if you are working a job for more than 10 years they think something is wrong with you.... having a broad based skill set is valuable along with a solid set of customer service skills.

There is enough serious education to prevent the fluff courses altogether.

The problem there is what constitutes a fluff course... when I did my degree at university most of my friends did management and psychology papers, which sounded rather interesting... I did some Philosophy papers on formal logic and some low level anthropology papers because I thought they might be interesting and different enough from the dry computer course I was doing to keep me sane. I liked the Anth papers and for assignments I got 10 out of 10 for presentation in assignments because I typed up my papers so they could read them easily (unlike most other Anth students who hand wrote their papers). It is interesting that most departments insisted on their students doing the base computer paper so they could access email and type up their assignments... but of course you don't learn typing in one semester so most didn't really bother.

This year was the inaugural event for the international competition in computer science for schoolgirls featuring participants from 156 schools representing 39 countries.
Russia was represented by schoolgirl Ekaterina Shilyaeva from Physics and Mathematics Lyceum #31 from Chelyabinsk, Alisa Gladchenko from Moscow Secondary School of Pedagogic Excellence, Ekaterina Porai from Moscow school Letovo, and seventh grader Daria Grekova from Moscow School #2007.
The Russian girls set absolute records and won the maximum number of gold medals at the event. First place was shared by Ekaterian Shilyaeva and Alisa Gladchenko.
The team’s coach was Andrei Stankevich Associate Professor of the Faculty of Information Technologies and programming at ITMO.