Education in Russia: News

andalusia wrote:I want to know is there a concern about failing public education in Russia and in other parts of Europe? Here in America, many people believe that the market would improve public education by having vouchers.  Moreover, many Americans dislike public schools since they think it is a socialist/ communist idea.  Is there faith in public schools in Russia and other parts of Europe?

Hole wrote:Can´t remember all the details, but a few years ago a similar "study" by some english guys had to be axed after they revealed that they sucked the numbers from thin air.


One of the "basics" for such rankings is always the number of publications. In western sciences magazines. In english. No wonder russian and chinese are not in the top 10.

miketheterrible wrote:I don't think they are talking of russian students KVS.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I don't think they are talking of russian students KVS.

That wasn't what I was discussing.   If you go back 50 years ago, standards for math education in the
west were high as well and I don't recall stories about children needing counseling help to deal with this
subject.

higurashihougi wrote:

I don't know about the situation in Russia or other countries, but at my place I witness a disease which affects large parts of teachers, parents, and education staffs. That disease is "addiction to English".

These patients consider that knowing English as God. English here. English there. They even teach English to kindergarten children. The children come back home largely speak foreign language and have difficulties in speaking their own mother tongue.

They don't understand that English is just a tool, however useful that tool is. They become a slave of English and the ones who control English. The one you know who, from the other side of the ocean.

Maths, physics, chemistry,... are neglected by these people. Especially maths. While in fact maths is the most important subjects needed to be taught in school, because it helps the student to develop a logical mind. With a logical mind, students can do well in other subjects, including foreign language.

kvs wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:  

I don't know about the situation in Russia or other countries, but at my place I witness a disease which affects large parts of teachers, parents, and education staffs. That disease is "addiction to English".

These patients consider that knowing English as God. English here. English there. They even teach English to kindergarten children. The children come back home largely speak foreign language and have difficulties in speaking their own mother tongue.

They don't understand that English is just a tool, however useful that tool is. They become a slave of English and the ones who control English. The one you know who, from the other side of the ocean.

Maths, physics, chemistry,... are neglected by these people. Especially maths. While in fact maths is the most important subjects needed to be taught in school, because it helps the student to develop a logical mind. With a logical mind, students can do well in other subjects, including foreign language.

Unfortunately, after 1990 the education level in Russia has also degraded and "western style" BS "education" started to become popular.

GarryB wrote:

I like also the concept of berufausbildung (a vocational training of 2or 3 years thay many in Germany do as alternative to university). It is very well structured and include working and studying and recognized.

Here in New Zealand we have vocational training... we call them polytechs or polytechnics, where the learning is mostly hands on practical stuff that often generally leads to a job.

They are very hit and miss and while some are very well run, others are not so good. The government recently ruled that all polytechnics be joined together to pool their funding which the crap polys love because they can dip in to the funds of the well run ones... the well run ones of course are wondering why they are now expected to be carrying the ones that are not making money or doing a good job.

Some appear to be largely scams taking money for people for shit qualifications... womens studies and that sort of bullshit...

GarryB wrote:To be clear most polytechs in NZ are not scams and are well run and do a lot of good upskilling people quickly into trades.

We don't have community colleges, and didn't you know womens studies is a core requirement for the modern 21 C male... (kidding of course).

Basket weaving courses are popular along with carving courses and maori studies... there is plenty of demand for that stuff for tourism, and practical skills are becoming fashionable again... which I think is a good thing... when something of mine breaks I fix it... my nieces and nephews generally throw it in the bin and buy a new one... people are so wasteful these days... one failure or problem and it is in the bin.... that is the real reason the planet is   .