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    Post  Tingsay Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:13 am

    While I like all of these projects for their utility, I can't help but think architecture in Russia is going down the drain, just like the rest of the world.
    All of these modernist buildings (escept for a few decent ones maybe) are gonna look dated in as little as 20 years. A look that future generations will define as "What people in the past thought the future would look like lol". We used to think the Jetsons looked futuristic. That's exactly the faith of 90% of these types of modernist buildings.

    The most attractive and timeless buildings I see here are the ones built long ago:

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:38 pm

    Tingsay wrote:...All of these modernist buildings (escept for a few decent ones maybe) are gonna look dated in as little as 20 years....

    You are ignoring the fact that all these buildings we now consider classical were built alongside countless others which didn't stood the test of time, looked dated in 20 years and got demolished and forgotten long ago

    This is nothing new
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:10 pm

    Just about any building which was made to last and look good, still does

    At the turn of the 20th century most buildings constructed were still wooden ones; the stone or brick buildings with ornate architecture were the exception and required a lot of resources to be invested

    It was the same in the Soviet era; most buildings were ugly as fk made out of concrete with minimalism or other styles simply serving as an excuse to cheap out. But the buildings there that got individual architecture, themes and quality materials still do stand the test of time - like the 7 Sisters skyscrapers in Moscow.

    And it's the same now. The modern architecture projects which look futuristic or interesting, which are not simplified in concept or upon their realization, and which are built to high-standards; are the ones that will look good now, and in 20 years time and in 200 years time.
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    Post  Tingsay Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:11 am

    Meh, I've heard all of this arguments before.

    Yes, it is true that throughout history, humans have built anything they want and letting time discard the bad and leave the good.

    But this argument essentially advocates for a very flawed trial and error system. Always experimental with very little learning of the past.
    We can actually learn from history you know.
    The healthiest approach would be a majority timeless, tried and tested traditional styles with a minority of experimentation where the modernist architects can trial and error to their hearts content.
    Don't tell me nobody would want all large enough Russian cities to have their very own Nevsky Prospects/Tverskaya Streets.

    I can only accept this arguments when it comes to non-descript neighborhood cheap housing cos I can understand why nobody gives a **** about them.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:06 pm

    New management school & campus in Russia planned on the outskirts of Solnechnogorsk, a town north-west of Moscow. Designed by Dutch architectural company Mecanoo

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    Mecanoo has also produced a design for the new United Metallurgical Company Corporate University in the town of Vyksa, Nizhny Novgorod region. It will also be built within the next few years

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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:18 pm

    The head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, Alexander Bastrykin, made an unexpected statement for a high-level official. Despite the fact that the department he heads has nothing to do with the country's education system, Alexander Bastrykin spoke about the realities of the modern educational system.

    Speaking at a conference on the role of law in ensuring human well-being, the chairman of the RF IC criticized the education system and called for the return of its Soviet version. According to Bastrykin, the Soviet education system was the best in the world.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:20 pm

    George1 wrote:The head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, Alexander Bastrykin, made an unexpected statement for a high-level official. Despite the fact that the department he heads has nothing to do with the country's education system, Alexander Bastrykin spoke about the realities of the modern educational system.

    Speaking at a conference on the role of law in ensuring human well-being, the chairman of the RF IC criticized the education system and called for the return of its Soviet version. According to Bastrykin, the Soviet education system was the best in the world.

    https://en.topwar.ru/189414-v-rossii-reagirujut-na-predlozhenie-glavy-sk-rf-vernut-sovetskuju-sistemu-obrazovanija-i-otkazatsja-ot-egje.html

    Had to be said

    And while they're at it they should get rid of all the retarded re-written history books saying that Russia is a land of milk and honey that adopted all these other peoples around it willingly, and acted only in self-defence against all the evil-doers like the Poles, Turks, Swedes and etc etc etc or whatever rubbish they're writing in nowadays

    Soviet history books were far more sordid, in regards to Russia as everyone else. Feudalism, imperial expansion, wars, subjugation, exploitation, etc... But as a result they did actually teach people about how the world works now too.
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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:31 pm

    You make it sound like Russia was no better than the western imperialists. This is grade A BS. Russia never had any reservation
    ghettos where aboriginals were herded to rob them of their land. The USSR did not magically undo centuries of such supposed
    Russian behaviour. It had all of the conditions to create ethnic republics in place in 1917.

    The much touted counter examples in the Caucuses are where some ethnic groups chose to follow the warrior way and obliterate
    themselves in the process. There are plenty of such cases in the USA, the British Empire, etc. Argentina fully exterminated the
    Patagonians. None of the ethnic groups in the Caucuses were exterminated to the last individual.

    Russians do not need to feel any collective guilt over anything before 1917 and after. But that is exactly what people like you and
    western scumbags demand.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:50 pm

    kvs wrote:You make it sound like Russia was no better than the western imperialists.   This is grade A BS.   Russia never had any reservation
    ghettos where aboriginals were herded to rob them of their land.   The USSR did not magically undo centuries of such supposed
    Russian behaviour.   It had all of the conditions to create ethnic republics in place in 1917.  

    The much touted counter examples in the Caucuses are where some ethnic groups chose to follow the warrior way and obliterate
    themselves in the process.    There are plenty of such cases in the USA, the British Empire, etc.    Argentina fully exterminated the
    Patagonians.   None of the ethnic groups in the Caucuses were exterminated to the last individual.  

    Russians do not need to feel any collective guilt over anything before 1917 and after.   But that is exactly what people like you and
    western scumbags demand.  


    It wasn't as bad as the Europeans conquering America, but it was a regular empire that did regular empire things. Or why did the revolution of 1917 happen in the first place?

    Point is painting a rosy picture serves no purpose whatsoever. It's not about collective guilt. Neither was the Soviet teaching of history. It taught that everyone did the same shit, and it wasn't so much a characteristic of specific peoples, as much as a characteristic of social-economic orders of the time. There's plenty to be proud of in Russian history without having to whitewash the obvious bad things that took place.

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