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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:23 am

    Unlike the vaunted Javelin, this missile really does have the potential to be a turret top devastator weapon and at much greater range.

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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:11 am

    I don't see what it brings more than a kornet or a drone mounted atgm since it needs an operator near the target or a drone above it to use a laser. For that matter they could directly use a kornet with a top attack mode.

    It seems to also use russian GPS to go near the target and switch to laser detector. This can be jammed. They better use optical guidance all the way or inertial navigation.

    They should add some sort of datalink so the operator in the truck controls it all the way.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:Should add a link to the company that makes it and their information regarding the weapon...


    It seems to have been updated and shows the launcher above:

    http://www.kbptula.ru/en/productions/multi-service-weapon-systems/germes-a-2

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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:51 pm

    It looks like Hermes is a kind of guided MLRS.
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    Post  marcellogo on Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:19 pm

    medo wrote:It looks like Hermes is a kind of guided MLRS.
    I think Hermes is clearly derivative of the missile carried by Pntsir, jut to e declined in a variety of different roles and vectors.
    What have it of different from similar weapons developed by opponents/concurrents?

    The clearest one is speed: derivation from an AA missiles mean a supersonic velocity coupled with a great manoeuvrability.
    It is there shown in a long range, indirect fire version hence being guided in semi-active mode in the last part of its flying envelope but I think it would have also a version with an autonomous terminal guidance one.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:07 am

    Isos wrote:I don't see what it brings more than a kornet or a drone mounted atgm since it needs an operator near the target or a drone above it to use a laser. For that matter they could directly use a kornet with a top attack mode.

    It seems to also use russian GPS to go near the target and switch to laser detector. This can be jammed. They better use optical guidance all the way or inertial navigation.

    They should add some sort of datalink so the operator in the truck controls it all the way.

    As I recall earlier material on the Hermes did mention remote-guidance optical modes and such, but may be wrong

    I don't see any reason why this can't be used as an entirely inertial/GLONASS guided missile either, for hitting stationary targets

    A Kornet has a much shorter range, and is also a company-level weapon; its operators won't have access to the same reconnaissance, telemetry data that a regiment/brigade level system like this would have.

    You can have drones with ATGMs of course, but so far Russia hasn't introduced any into service, and the ones that will be, will be quite heavy-duty expensive machines.
    Here all you need is a small drone with a laser pointer.

    But really the best use-case is for SOF teams that sneak around somewhere; and there's nothing in the sky or on the ground to alert the enemy to any danger. And suddenly a wave of missiles come and devastate a tank column or some general's command vehicle
    So in this sense, sort of like the Krasnopol and so on, and how it was rumored to be used in the Donbass.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:14 pm

    I don't see what it brings more than a kornet or a drone mounted atgm since it needs an operator near the target or a drone above it to use a laser. For that matter they could directly use a kornet with a top attack mode.

    Well this isn't just an ATGM... the 28kg warhead means it is about 5kg lighter than an entire Kornet missile that is 33kgs at launch.

    Also instead of being supersonic at about 400m/s it moves at an initial speed of 1.3km/s thanks to a large solid rocket booster.

    It seems to also use russian GPS to go near the target and switch to laser detector. This can be jammed. They better use optical guidance all the way or inertial navigation.

    This is supposed to be missile 305 which is launched towards a specific point in space based on Glonass signals where it starts looking for targets using an IIR seeker with a datalink back to the launch platform. The IIR seeker can see laser spots to attack marked targets, but it can also look for other targets of interest based on their shape and whether they are moving or not.

    It says on the webpage:

    For day-and-night engagement of modern and advanced tanks, lightly armored targets, buildings and fortifications, surface and air targets.

    They should add some sort of datalink so the operator in the truck controls it all the way.

    How is the operator in the truck supposed to find a target 100km away?

    It looks like Hermes is a kind of guided MLRS.

    Essentially yes... a system to take out point targets behind enemy lines...

    But the air launched model is much smaller and used over shorter distances, but probably against similar targets...

    I think Hermes is clearly derivative of the missile carried by Pntsir, jut to e declined in a variety of different roles and vectors.
    What have it of different from similar weapons developed by opponents/concurrents?

    Actually Hermes and SA-19/-22 and Pine/Sosna are all narrow slim low drag missiles with large rear tandem mounted solid booster rockets...

    I don't see any reason why this can't be used as an entirely inertial/GLONASS guided missile either, for hitting stationary targets

    Indeed, the terminal optronic component should be able to determine the outline of a radar for a SAM battery or even an artillery radar or a building for an HQ.

    You can have drones with ATGMs of course, but so far Russia hasn't introduced any into service, and the ones that will be, will be quite heavy-duty expensive machines.
    Here all you need is a small drone with a laser pointer.

    And aircraft mounted laser target markers have evolved too... it is my understanding that the laser target marker on the MiG-35 has a range against ground targets of up to 30km... and according to the definition above these missiles can be used against aircraft too... so a couple of trucks pull up and raise their launch tubes and fire a volley of 20 odd missiles that come down 90km distance amongst a HATO helicopter staging area and take down 20 helicopters... on the ground or in the air nearby...

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    Post  PhSt on Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:01 am


    Rostec said that one missile of the new Hermes complex will destroy any western tank

    KUBINKA / Moscow region /, August 27. / TASS /. A single supersonic missile of Russia's latest Hermes long-range complex will destroy any Western tank with a nearly 100% guarantee, as confirmed by tests. This was reported to TASS at the Army forum by a representative of the company-developer KBP im. Shipunova (part of the "High-precision complexes" corporation "Rostec").

    "Based on the results of the full cycle of tests of the Hermes at the range with the destruction of various types of targets, it was concluded that one single missile of the complex is enough to guarantee the destruction of any existing Western tank," the agency's interlocutor said, adding that the probability of defeat in this case is 98 -99%.

    The company representative noted that the deviation of the Hermes missile from the target, even when firing at a maximum range of 100 km, is only 50 centimeters. In this case, the ammunition has a flight speed of more than four speeds of sound.

    The Hermes includes several unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance and guidance, which provide target detection and illumination.

    For the first time, Hermes was presented to the general public within the framework of the Army-2020 military-technical forum. One of its features is a compact combat module with launchers for six missiles. This unit can be installed on any chassis, including armored vehicles.

    "Hermes" can conduct salvo fire at six targets at once. In addition to enemy armored vehicles, the missiles of the complex are effective against command or staff vehicles, communication centers, and warehouses. The warhead of the rocket is a high-explosive fragmentation and contains 20 kg of TNT.

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