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    "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:15 am

    And also Pantsir and Pine/SOSNA-R...

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    Pine is basically the same as Pantsir but smaller and with a lighter booster.

    SA-19 as used on Tunguska also has a smaller solid rocket booster but the missile is a similar size to Pantsir.

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    Post  eridan Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:13 am

    So, since Hermes is a non line of sight weapon - what sort of guidance does it use?
    It doesn't seem to have a visible seeker...
    would that mean that the missile is coupled with a target designator system (either third party one for NLOS use or on a launcher for LOS use)
    and if so, does the missile follow a laser pointer or is it command guided?

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:22 pm

    The current website for KBP is down for maintenance but AFAIK the HERMES is supposed to be a command guided missile much like the SA-19 missile it is based on except because targets on the ground are not line of sight like aerial targets the Hermes is supposed to use a terminal guidance system depending on the version ranging from IIR and radar (MMW) to EO with laser spot detection.

    It is intended to hit point targets including moving targets so laser spot homing and IIR seeker as well as MMW radar could be used or combinations... the MMW would be all weather day and night capable, while the IIR would be day night capable too, as would the semi active laser homing.

    Their newer missiles seem to combine an optical with laser spot detection capability so the missile can track a target or be directed to a target using a laser target marker.

    They don't seem to be in any hurry to reveal what specific guidance it will be using, though interestingly MMW and IIR could also be used against air targets too so it is rather multi functional.

    If it does use laser target marker seeking then a drone could be launched to find and mark targets for it.... there is the E90 drone already developed for the Tunguska and Pantsir systems that should have launch compatibility...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:01 am

    If you search for the website as kbptula.ru without the www at the start it shows a login screen and says the site is down for maintenance... so that will be interesting... I wonder what upgrades they are going to make...
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    Post  PhSt Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:15 am

    Is Hermes and Izdeliye 305 the same?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:15 am

    No.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:48 pm

    No.

    Hermes is developed from the Pantsir and SA-19 SAMs and is a two stage missile with a large solid rocket booster.

    Hermes is tube launched.

    This is an archived copy of the site that is currently down for maintenance:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20211110211226/http://www.kbptula.ru/en/productions/multi-service-weapon-systems/germes-a

    If you click on it on the right hand side below the little photos in the main centre article area the title System Composition there are two links... if you click on them small popup windows will open, the top link being an image of the missile and its launch tube showing it is a two stage missile... the second link shows the system including the launch tubes which are arranged the same way as Vikhr missile launch tubes on a Hokums weapon pylon where 6 missiles are loaded on one pylon with four missiles underneath and two missiles are on top for 6 per pylon.

    In comparison the LMURs or object 305 looks like this:

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    And its single launcher looks like this:

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    There is a twin launcher for two missiles on a weapon pylon and there is also a surface launched missile carried by an armoured vehicle...

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    Missile in front of a twin launcher:

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    Missile mounted on a single launcher:

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:10 pm

    Just noticed...

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    In the image lower right seems to show the LMUR missile is a fully multipurpose missile for use against Tanks, BMPs, soft vehicles like trucks, bunkers and fortified positions, buildings, fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, and drones...

    So it must have some sort of smart fusing to allow it to penetrate heavy armour while still being lethal against a range of target types of varying degrees of hardness or softness...

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