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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 16/12/19, 02:26 pm

    So,lets say, if Turkey and Israel agrees regarding EastMed EEZ that is completely against Egyptian interests, do you think Sisi will give a fight against Israel?

    Egyptians, as people, might want. But Sisi? No.

    He immediately closed Refah crossing with a single phone from Bibi. Supposedly arabs living in Gaza, but who cares?
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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 02:27 pm

    hen look at Turkey, or other Muslim states. How they look from outside? Some beardy, violance lovers with weapons in their hands
    Muslims today have an outline that I am ashamed of. Violence, killing

    Stop watching the western media Laughing

    Arabic women Recently got the permit to drive.

    Only for Saudi Women , be more accurate when you mention facts .

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    Post  flamming_python on 16/12/19, 02:30 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:What to do next for stability is, let Israel take control of Lebanon, south Syria, Sinai and deal with Israel regarding EEZ and future of North Syria& Iraq. In 1980s, Turkish old guards made a similar deal, Israel was to conquer these lands and Turkey would invade Idlib Kirkuk line. But this plan never worked.

    First of all, there is Syria, Russia and Iran in the way, so that won't happen. Israel's rebels have all been withdrawn or eliminated from the country in return for Russian guarantees for a buffer zone free from Iranian troops 2-3 dozen km's from the occupied Golan. Israel though has no more say about what happens in Syria. As for Turkey, it is keeping the areas its rebels have taken, but its room for manuever is growing smaller.

    Secondly, Erdogan justified the invasion of northern Syria by pointing out that the Americans are trying to create a 2nd Israel there.
    And nobody wants a 2nd Israel, just the one is bad enough - but with this intervention, that entailed a massive flight of the population under threat of terrorism and sectarian violence from a zone in northern Syria now controlled by the TFSA; Erdogan himself has been the one to declare a 2nd Israel. Now this territory is under threat of being settled with terrorists and Islamist families loyal to Erdogan. What is this if not the same thing that Israel has done and is now doing again in the West Bank?

    Erdogan has declared opposition against Israel by threatening to Israelize a part of northern Syria himself. Whether this is a bluff/tactic or not is of no relevance - you don't make announcements like that without inevitable consenquences and reactions in today's world. This didn't go down well with the Kurds, but where Erdogan miscalculated is that it didn't go down well with the Arabs either, or any Syrian. And now the Egyptians have taken a look and decided that Turkey is not to be trusted anymore than the Zionists.
    Well done to Erdogan, what more is there to say.
    If Turkey wanted to get rid of the US in northern Syria - and it's very much in its right to; the Americans are there illegally as well after all; then they could have done it by invading with their own army, without employing Islamic fundamentalists and announcing plans to settle millions of refugees in a place they are not native to and will only cause problems in. If Turkey wanted to get rid of its refugees, it could start by recognizing Damascus, and settling the issue directly with it, jointly deciding where these people should settle or just deporting them by aircraft to Damascus and letting it be Syria's problem.


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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 02:32 pm

    So,lets say, if Turkey and Israel agrees regarding EastMed EEZ that is completely against Egyptian interests, do you think Sisi will give a fight against Israel?

    If it cuts through our water , yes we will go for war but israel will never go through the egyptian water .

    He immediately closed Refah crossing with a single phone from Bibi. Supposedly arabs living in Gaza, but who cares?

    Again wrong informations , plz try to make a difference between your own analysis and informations , Rafah crossing is opened and closed in a specific periods as any normal borders allover the world , so don't just repeat aljazeera propaganda .
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    Post  flamming_python on 16/12/19, 02:39 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:So,lets say, if Turkey and Israel agrees regarding EastMed EEZ that is completely against Egyptian interests, do you think Sisi will give a fight against Israel?

    Egyptians, as people, might want. But Sisi? No.

    He immediately closed Refah crossing with a single phone from Bibi. Supposedly arabs living in Gaza, but who cares?

    I do have to agree with this though. Sisi is beholden to Saudi Arabia, who themselves are cosying up to Israel because of their fear of Iran and subservience to America.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 16/12/19, 03:08 pm

    Instead of listening to local people and poor arabs living there, let us listen to great son of King Salman and believe Cemal Kashoggi (Cemal Kaşıkçı, in correct way) had teared apart himself and died in a very democratic manner.

    And also, arabic countries are so democratic that their democratically elected leaders are always military guys somehow.
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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 03:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:So,lets say, if Turkey and Israel agrees regarding EastMed EEZ that is completely against Egyptian interests, do you think Sisi will give a fight against Israel?

    Egyptians, as people, might want. But Sisi? No.

    He immediately closed Refah crossing with a single phone from Bibi. Supposedly arabs living in Gaza, but who cares?

    I do have to agree with this though. Sisi is beholden to Saudi Arabia, who themselves are cosying up to Israel because of their fear of Iran and subservience to America.

    It's normal that each country seeks for allies , a lot of egyptians are working in KSA and a lot of investments are coming from there , but KSA needs egypt as egypt needs it, but to which level ? KSA requested from egypt to send the egyptian army to syria and yemen but Sisi refused and ARAMCO cut the oil supplies to Egypt , then Egypt went to iraq for oil  and at that time the saudi king afraid that egypt could turn to another iran to them or at least it will not support him in gulf issues so  ARAMCO returned the supplies again .


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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 03:15 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Instead of listening to local people and poor arabs living there, let us listen to great son of King Salman and believe Cemal Kashoggi (Cemal Kaşıkçı, in correct way) had teared apart himself and died in a very democratic manner.

    Killing him was a crime of course but killing 500000 syrian people by the idiot erdogan was a Genocide .

    And also, arabic countries are so democratic that their democratically elected leaders are always military guys somehow.

    Guess what , isreali leaders are too , isn't israel your pure example ?!
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 16/12/19, 03:46 pm

    @ahmedfire I never claimed Israeli states or leaders are clean.

    But their society is better and definitely deserves better than those guys.

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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 03:51 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:@ahmedfire I never claimed Israeli states or leaders are clean.

    But their society is better and definitely deserves better than those guys.


    Yes you are absolutely right , their society is far better .

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 16/12/19, 10:28 pm

    Shall I remind you Ahmed, since 1948, you are attacking Israel and there is not an even single instance that you guys actually gained something.

    You arabs are constantly cursing Ottoman times claiming Ottomans had you exploited, as if you got something to exploit -oil started to be refined after Ottomans collapsed- , Turkish soldiers died for not giving up Mecca and Medina, defending Prophet's Holy Masjid. Opposing side had British, plus Arab tribes attacking to Medina.

    Now Turks are gone. And believe me, they wont come back. You can rest. Now, you can taste some Israeli freedom. They will treat you with best interest and care. Because Israelites are far better than Turks.

    Or not?
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    Post  ahmedfire on 16/12/19, 11:27 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Shall I remind you Ahmed, since 1948, you are attacking Israel and there is not an even single instance that you guys actually gained something.

    You arabs are constantly cursing Ottoman times claiming Ottomans had you exploited, as if you got something to exploit -oil started to be refined after Ottomans collapsed- , Turkish soldiers died for not giving up Mecca and Medina, defending Prophet's Holy Masjid. Opposing side had British, plus Arab tribes attacking to Medina.

    Now Turks are gone. And believe me, they wont come back. You can rest. Now, you can taste some Israeli freedom. They will treat you with best interest and care. Because Israelites are far better than Turks.

    Or not?

    You always forget that egypt took down israel in 1973 in the first complete war between them although the US army unlimited support for israel Very Happy

    Ottman state expanded in lands only but didn't match or even was close to the west technologies ,most of the west inventions were in the same period of Ottman rule which make us backward from the west , most of Ottman rulers cared a lot about women and money , even a son killed his brothers and his father for the chair , they were stealing the countries resourses and send it to istanbul like any occupation did before .

    of course they will defend the lands they occupied so that they can continue the stealing process , but they cared only about the soldiers numbers not the educatuion and researches which leads to a big area but actually was a weak from inside because their leaders were idiots which leads to the occupation of Jerusalem .
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 17/12/19, 03:41 am

    Resources? Like, camel milk and dust you mean?

    You seem.very funny out here, arabic lands are just crap if not for oil.

    And as for defeat, arabs liked british and jews more, what we could do anyway?

    And I wish we could exploit more from those lands. Those lands only made it faster empire to collapse. Or leave it for its curse, why to conquer?

    Thank God now Israel will deal with those lands. Cursed lands...


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    Post  ahmedfire on 17/12/19, 02:21 pm

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    Resources? Like, camel milk and dust you mean?

    No , resources like taxes ,crops,wood,tiles, marble, copper chairs..etc , all this only to make istanbul looks like beautiful .

    And for 600 years they were backwards from world technology race and this made a big gap in history which affected us till now .

    Thank God now Israel will deal with those lands. Cursed lands...

    israel killed 10 turkish people in the international water and u guys did nothing , thanks God there were no egyptians Twisted Evil


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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 17/12/19, 02:35 pm

    @ahmedfire,

    Now you blame Turks for arabic backwardness?

    Since 1918, look at how both nations changed. Virtually, while you got oil and slowly gain money, Turks had nothing. And now look at the difference.

    Thats why I dont like arabic mindset. They screw up and blame other for their failure.

    And what could Egypt do anyway? Just try to take lost Arab lands back if you are sooo powerful. Stop Israeli rape to Arab lands? No guts eh?
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    Post  ahmedfire on 17/12/19, 03:21 pm

    Yes i blame them for the 600 years beacuse the technology comes in a cumulative way and turks was ignorants all that time .

    And what could Egypt do anyway? Just try to take lost Arab lands back if you are sooo powerful. Stop Israeli rape to Arab lands? No guts eh?

    We already took our lands by war , why we should bring back everybody lands ??!!

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 17/12/19, 06:44 pm

    @ahmedfire, that is why you will never be a modernized society. Because you are stuck in the past. Backwards minds, backwards people, backwards country
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    Post  ahmedfire on 18/12/19, 02:16 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:@ahmedfire, that is why you will never be a modernized society. Because you are stuck in the past. Backwards minds, backwards people, backwards country

    Who cares about your opinion specially you have a CNN thoughts about muslims Very Happy  respekt
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 18/12/19, 02:35 pm

    @ahmedfire, I am Muslim myself, and I do know the difference.

    When I go to Istanbul I see arabic expats all over the Bosphorus shores. When I go to business centers of Maslak everywhere is filled with arabs coming from gulf states, iraq, lebanon, egypt, so and so. They purchase houses and live in Turkey. These guys are rich, but instead of living in their shithole states they come to Turkey?

    Did you see a Syrian who willingly wants to go an arabic country for refuge? Hell no all they want is to go to Germany, France, Austria and so on. If they cant go these states, they prefer Turkey. But none of them willing to go any arabic country.

    When we Turks talk to a Westerner or when we go to abroad, it takes hours to explain we are not arabs, nor Turkey is an arabic country. Once they realize Turkey is way different, and in fact even more developed than Southeastern and eastern European states, both socially and technically, then they get convinced we are not like arabs, we are a different group of muslims.

    It is not CNN. Come and see yourself. Because I know pretty well.

    Unfortunately Turkey fell into Muslim Brotherhood dreams and Arabized itself. Up to a certain degree. But now recovering again. Many people had seen going after cause of an inferior society makes you inferior as well.

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    Post  ahmedfire on 18/12/19, 02:57 pm

    @AbdulhamidtheSecond ,bullshit

    Attacks against Syrians in Turkey raise fears of escalation

    Ahmad Yassine was working in his barbershop in Istanbul's working-class district of Kucukcekmece when he saw an angry crowd gather. Then they attacked his business and others owned by Syrians.

    "They threw stones, the window was completely shattered. There was three of us inside, we were scared," the young man who fled from Aleppo six years ago told AFP.

    "We were not able to leave before midnight, one in the morning," he added.

    The most recent violence against Syrians in Kucukcekmece 10 days ago has raised fears of an escalation in an already volatile climate. Xenophobic language has been unleashed, particularly during the campaigns for local elections.

    Turkey is home to the largest number of refugees in the world, having welcomed over 3.5 million Syrians -- including 500,000 in Istanbul -- who were forced to flee their country.

    But this welcome, which Ankara hoped would be temporary, has been extended as the economic situation in Turkey has significantly worsened.

    And so the hosts' hospitality has been put to the test.

    A study by Istanbul's Kadir Has University last week showed that the share of Turks unhappy with the presence of Syrians rose from 54.5 percent in 2017 to 67.7 percent in 2019.

    Turks and Syrians live together in an often precarious situation. The violence began in Kucukcekmece because of a rumour -- denied by police -- that a young Syrian boy had verbally harassed a young girl.

    The aftermath of the violence is still visible: shop windows have been patched up temporarily with tape and signs hang from their wires.

    Mohammad Amari, a 27-year-old Syrian who fled Damascus seven months ago, discovered the day after that the bakery where he worked had been ransacked.

    "They broke the shop window using stones and bats," he said.

    - 'Scapegoats' -

    While the incident in Kucukcekmece is not isolated, there has never been violence of this magnitude, according to residents. Police had to use tear gas grenades and water cannon to disperse the crowd.

    Although he is Turkish, Esat Sevim's restaurant was also vandalised.

    His crime? Employing Syrians.

    "If one finds a dead cat in the street, there will be someone who says that a Syrian killed it," he said. "We must stop scapegoating them."

    With the economy slowing down, double-digit inflation and high unemployment, Syrians are often targeted.

    Even if he does not condone the violence, Murat, a worker who lives in Kucukcekmece, wants Syrians to return home because "our youth cannot find work anymore".

    Politicians have also been accused of heightening tensions during the local election campaigns, before the March 31 vote and the rerun Istanbul mayoral election on June 23.

    The newly elected Istanbul mayor from the secular opposition party, Ekrem Imamoglu, was criticised for focusing on the number of shop signs in Arabic in some districts.

    "This is Turkey, this is Istanbul," he said last week.

    During the campaign, the hostility towards Syrians came to a head-on social media, with the hashtag, #SyriansGetOut.

    - Hunting signs -

    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government -- who welcomed Syrians in the name of "Muslim solidarity" -- now seeks to take a tougher line after accusations of softness.

    Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu on Saturday said no more Syrians would be able to register as residents in Istanbul.

    And the Istanbul governor's office last week ordered 700 Syrian traders to remove their signs in Arabic and replace them with the Turkish language.

    But most Turks with whom AFP spoke in Kucukcekmece sought to downplay the recent incidents and called for solidarity.

    Ahmet, a Turkish fruit and vegetable seller in the area where the shops were attacked, stepped in to protect a Syrian-owned shop by posing as the owner during the violence.

    "If they don't want Syrians, let them set up a petition and go see our president. But it is useless to cause destruction and to vandalise," he said.

    Given the current climate and the recent violence however, Yassine fears things will get worse.

    "This time, they only attacked with stones," he said. "But who knows if one day they will not attack me with weapons?"

    https://www.france24.com/en/20190712-attacks-against-syrians-turkey-raise-fears-escalation
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    Post  ahmedfire on 18/12/19, 02:59 pm

    It is not CNN. Come and see yourself. Because I know pretty well.

    What i see is that turkey is funding a terrorist groups who came from everywhere to syria Wink
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    Post  ahmedfire on 18/12/19, 03:17 pm

    When I go to Istanbul I see arabic expats all over the Bosphorus shores. When I go to business centers of Maslak everywhere is filled with arabs coming from gulf states, iraq, lebanon, egypt,

    Yes but they are coming for prostitution

    Academic highlights high prostitution figures in Turkey’s $4 billion industry

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/academic-highlights-high-prostitution-figures-in-turkeys-4-billion-industry--104897
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 19/12/19, 03:03 pm

    Arab terrorist lives are cheaper to be spent on Turkish interests.. that is why.

    And I wish you to see gulf princes' dream nights under their skyscrapers, supposedly guards of shariah..

    As our state goes more and more national, rather than foolish brotherhood lies, we will behave desert bedouins more the way they deserve..
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    Post  ahmedfire on 19/12/19, 03:19 pm

    LOL , u talking about terrorists and muslim brotherhood ? didn't you see that turkey is supporting both of them since 2011 ??
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on 19/12/19, 04:02 pm

    I would prefer the word "using them" .

    It is a controversial topic whether they are useful or not, though..

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