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    Post  archangelski on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:11 pm

    George1 wrote:The extermination of Ukrainian Il-76 in Libya continues

     It is reported that the IL-76TD reg. UR-COZ number, which delivered the cargo of weapons from Ankara (Turkey) to air. Misrata (Libya) for a terrorist group close to the Government of the National Accord (GNA) a few hours ago [on the evening of August 5, 2019] was destroyed by the Libyan National Army Air Force (LNAF) a few minutes after landing.

    BREAKING – The LNA says it has carried out five airstrikes against Misrata’s air college and destroyed one Ilyushin Il-76 cargo plane and ammunition depots. #Libya
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    #Libya - It seems that Il-76TD 'UR-COZ' belonging to Ukranian Cargo Alfa Air & flying from Ankara was destroyed on Misrata runway by #UAE airstrike one minute after it landed (23:30). This aircraft was suspected to have already transported Turkish armed UAVs at #Mitiga on 6 July.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3729877.html

    After UR-CMC and UR-CRP end of July, it's the third Ukrainian Il-76 destroyed in Libya...
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:27 pm

    archangelski wrote:
    George1 wrote:The extermination of Ukrainian Il-76 in Libya continues

     It is reported that the IL-76TD reg. UR-COZ number, which delivered the cargo of weapons from Ankara (Turkey) to air. Misrata (Libya) for a terrorist group close to the Government of the National Accord (GNA) a few hours ago [on the evening of August 5, 2019] was destroyed by the Libyan National Army Air Force (LNAF) a few minutes after landing.

    BREAKING – The LNA says it has carried out five airstrikes against Misrata’s air college and destroyed one Ilyushin Il-76 cargo plane and ammunition depots. #Libya
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    #Libya - It seems that Il-76TD 'UR-COZ' belonging to Ukranian Cargo Alfa Air & flying from Ankara was destroyed on Misrata runway by #UAE airstrike one minute after it landed (23:30). This aircraft was suspected to have already transported Turkish armed UAVs at #Mitiga on 6 July.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3729877.html

    After UR-CMC and UR-CRP end of July, it's the third Ukrainian Il-76 destroyed in Libya...

    Ukraine seems to have a lot of Il-76.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:03 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    Ukraine seems to have a lot of Il-76.

    They better do, because you know they won't be able to get more.

    Unless of course Putin cuts a deal with Zelenskiy. Which I'm more sure than not that he'd be inclined to do.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    Ukraine seems to have a lot of Il-76.

    They better do, because you know they won't be able to get more.

    Unless of course Putin cuts a deal with Zelenskiy. Which I'm more sure than not that he'd be inclined to do.

    It is not clear, because they inherited many from the soviet union and up to the mid2000s there were also.several ukrainian cargo airlines operating il -76 ( currently most of them are defunct and it is not clear what happened to.the airplanes)

    In wikipedia, of course not the most reliable source, it says
    that the active il-76 in the ukrainian air force are only 5. There could be many other in need of refurbishment (difficult without.russian parts) and much more in (semi)civilian service or.in reserve somewhere.


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    apparently the il-76 recently destroyed in libia belonged to the ukrainian company skiaviatrans. In their website is not written the fleet suze, however...

    http://skyaviatrans.com.ua/

    And of course they are accusing Russia to be somehow responsible for the destruction of their aircraft...

    http://avia.pro/news/rossiyu-obvinili-v-unichtozhenii-ukrainskogo-il-76-v-livii

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:12 am

    Yeah, when everything is Russias fault you really don't need evidence... I have adopted a similar stance myself... any doubt and the west is to blame...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:01 am

    Why was Colonel Gaddafi doomed


    When the Sun Sets in Libya, Two U.S. Allies Get Down to War
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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:29 am


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    NYT reports that ~200 Russian private military contractors have arrived in Libya over the last 6 weeks and are playing an increasingly critical role supporting Haftar's forces, in particular with snipers (not sure they would meet the military definition).
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:39 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    NYT reports that ~200 Russian private military contractors have arrived in Libya over the last 6 weeks and are playing an increasingly critical role supporting Haftar's forces, in particular with snipers (not sure they would meet the military definition).

    Vlad said that Haftar is French's man
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:19 am

    NYT... they demand the identity of whistle blowers are kept secret... except Asange or Manning or Snowden...

    Fuck the NYT... wouldn't believe them if they said water was wet.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:00 am

    A stopped clock still shows correct time twice a day; there is no smoke w/o a fire.
    IMO, it would make more sense to send them to do the dirty work rather than regular military.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:53 pm

    ELINT News a retweeté
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    US military believes that an unarmed American drone reported lost near #Libya's capital last month was in fact shot down by #Russia|n air defenses and it is demanding the return of the aircraft's wreckage: Reuterts
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:40 pm

    Libya: LNA Shoots Down Turkish Drone South of Tripoli


    https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/2035426/libya-lna-shoots-down-turkish-drone-south-tripoli


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    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:49 pm

    Supplies and losses of Turkish UAVs Bayraktar TB2 Libyan National Unity Government

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    On May 14, 2019, UAV fighters shot down a UAV in the Al-Dzhufra region, but it was not possible to identify its type from the wreckage. On May 29, 2019, the SP-PNS released a video of the high-precision UAV air strike on the All-Russian Union of Artists in Bin-Gashir. Later, open sources reported that the SP-PNS received the first batch of four Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, possibly delivered by the Amazon.

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    On June 4, 2019, confidential sources first reported an assembly of UAVs in Misrata. On June 9, 2019, thanks to the video recording that appeared on social networks, it was possible to establish that we are talking about Bayraktar TB2 manufactured by the Turkish company Baykar Makina.

    Since then, in social networks in a regular, routine manner there have been reports of “Bayraktara TB2” operating from Mitigi and Misrata. It is known that on June 6–7, 2019, two Bairaktar TB2 UAVs were destroyed as a result of BCX airstrikes at the Misrat Aviation School, and on June 30, 2019, the BCX shot down another, however, the available reports indicate that the combat losses were much higher:

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    In late May and early June 2019, a second batch arrived, probably counting eight Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, to compensate for combat losses and increase operational capabilities. In response to this, the All-Russian Union of Artists planned, and on August 15, 2019 launched a high-precision strike on the hangars of the Misrat Aviation School, which were recently built to house the “Bayraktarov TB2”. On August 18, 2019, the All-Russian Air Force carried out additional attacks on the territory of the aerodrome, expanding their radius to destroy more new infrastructure and UAV support facilities.

    The high percentage of losses of Bayraktar TB2 UAV as a result of strikes by the All-Russian Union of Aviation and the Vin Moon II UAV resulted in the appearance of a third consignment of Bayraktarov TB2 in Misrata at the end of August 2019, delivered by Ukrainian airlines on the An-12 and IL-76TD aircraft. In total, at least 16 UAVs were delivered.

    The operation and maintenance of UAVs is not an easy task, requiring several months of technical training and training practice. Military units associated with the SP-PNS or the All-Union Military Union (given what is now known about their capabilities) are not capable of it. It seems likely that in parallel with operations, local personnel are being trained “in working order”, but in the near future, their training is unlikely to reach a full level.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3874232.html
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:47 pm

    Turkey lost everything under the idiot urdogan leadership , they lost relations with syria ,egypt,greece,cyprus , they lost the trade land land lines through syria and iraq to gulf countries , and no more UAE investmenst are going there , turkey"friends in Tripoli will be taken down very soon Twisted Evil
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:44 pm

    @ahmedfire, I personally like to see Erdogan saw how dangerous to work with arabs, and I am pretty happy to see he is not following false ummah sort of ambitions. Even if he wants, he realized there is no such a thing called ummah. It is just a delusion.

    Arabs are the biggest traitors to themselves, with money you can get whatever you want from an arabic country. Turkey should have never intervened in arabic affairs. Never.

    Soon most of the arab inhabited lands will become Israel. Egypt, UAE, KSA are all just some handful tools to achieve this. Turkey should be aware of this, and cease to go after lost causes like Jerusalem or Palestine. Even arabs dont care about it..
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:56 pm

    @AbdulhamidtheSecond , yeah and thanks for the turkish unlimited support for palestine Twisted Evil


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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:59 pm

    @ahmedfire, yep. This is the way. Earn money and get away.

    Turkey should not intervene useless conflicts south of Idlib-Kirkuk line. Israel can get these lands. Or whoever wants to.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:20 pm

    @AbdulhamidtheSecond , Turkey supported the muslim brotherhood "they think urdogan is the khalifa " after the arab spring in hope that they will rule at least five countries and make a free trade deals with turkey and turkey will export about 100 billion $ for these markets " like they did in tunisia after the muslim brotherhood ruled in 2011 and now everyone in tunisia is complaining about the turkish products " , but after 2013 and Egyptian second revolution,erdogan dreams just went a way , tha't why he is hosting a lot of TV channels inside turkey for muslim brotherhood to attack egypt inmedia ,but Whoever laughs last laughs a lot Very Happy take a look at the Eastern Mediterranean Gas Forum that egypt established ,everyone is there except turkey .

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:10 pm

    Well arabs never liked Turkey or Turks. There are some liking Turkey indeed, but who cares.

    As Ataturk told once, leave arabs and look for Turkic nations in Asia. That is what we should do.

    Arabic countries are just some Western playgrounds. We can not impose our will there. Because we dont have money as much as Westerners got.

    As for EastMed, the real guy to be met with is Israel. Sisi Haftar or Salman all puppets. Once Bibi tells them to shut up, they will all shut up.

    Turkey alienated itself by opposing Israel for some lost cause like Palestine. Palestine is a lost cause. However people in Turkey is recently realizing how unnecessary it was to fight for it. Muslim Brotherhood. Meh, didnt work because religious arabs are illiterate. Others are simply atheists. All in all, it was lost from the beginning.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:16 am

    It seems you are not updating your news , turkey never supported palestine as a complete agenda , Turkey with erdogan had the best economic and military relations with israel since 2003 , turkey opened her airspace for the US&UK aircrafts to invade iraq 2003 and erdogan was a puppet to the level that he wrote an article in the wall strret journal and said as below

    The Arab, Kurdish, Turkmen and other peoples that constitute Iraq are linked to Turkey by kinship. We wish them freedom, democracy, human rights and a prosperous future. Turkey will strive for peace and durable stability in the region alongside the U.S., her strategic partner and ally for more than half a century. We are determined to maintain our close cooperation with the U.S. We further hope and pray that the brave young men and women return home with the lowest possible casualties, and that the suffering in Iraq ends as soon as possible.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB104907941058746300

    At this time Egypt refused a request from US to send the army alongside to fight Iraqi army , so it's crystal clear who is the puppet now .

    All this time turkey had a military cooperation in a high level with israel ,even israel army pilots were training in turkey airspace because they don't have enough skies over israel , and what erdogan did after killing 10 turkish people by israel army in the international water 2010 ?! nothing , he cut the relations then he returned it back , but this puppet hit a russian aircraft by orders from US , i think if putin was crazy he would destroy turkey multiple times russia

    Erdogan is a criminal war , he let about 50000 armed terrorists to go to syria through his borders which led to a half million syrian people killed just because the US ordered him .
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:46 am

    Well you are talking "by then" which I believe it was the most humiliating period of Turkish foreign affairs. However, from 15 July 2016 onwards, Erdogan had to bow down to Turkish state interests and old guards, and now ultimately aims to stand still for Turkish interests.

    If we look at *today* , what we see is exactly the opposite. If Turkey made business with Israel one fold, todays Egypt ultimately submits to Israel. Which, I believe, is a must for Sisi. Egyptian army gets billions of dollars of US aid to sustain itself. Country itself is nearly owned by army itself. Egyptian soil is being sold to KSA, Israel draws Egyptian EEZ and forces arabs to obey that. It is pretty much old weak days of Turkey. But if we look today, strong arab countries are no more, they are all wiped out. Muslim brotherhood collapsed. Both ideologically, and practically. It is dead now.

    What to do next for stability is, let Israel take control of Lebanon, south Syria, Sinai and deal with Israel regarding EEZ and future of North Syria& Iraq. In 1980s, Turkish old guards made a similar deal, Israel was to conquer these lands and Turkey would invade Idlib Kirkuk line. But this plan never worked.

    That is why I say, if we make a deal with Israel, all gulf states and egypt will bow down. Israeli army destroyed entire arab armies in 6 days, muslim brotherhood sympatizers here in Turkey and abroad can not even understand it.

    If there is a single country in middle east which can be a real adversary for Israel,it is Turkey. But, for what reason?

    For some arabic lands? No thanks. We saw how it ended up in 1918. A sane and modern Turk wishes to see a sane and modern Israeli as a neighbor rather than an unstable arabic country.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:51 am

    Turkey has played a double game... they certainly happily bought cheap oil from ISIS and helped smuggle it out of the country... now that the US and presumably the Kurds hold the oilfields I suspect the oil goes out via Iraq because I doubt the Turks want to pay money to the Kurds... even for cheap oil they can sell at a huge profit on the open market.

    Of course the US supported attempted coup to overthrow Erdogan probably gave him a bit of a shock... I suspect he survived that thanks to a warning from the Russians... which is ironic... perhaps the Russians created the situation by pointing the Americans into trying to take him down so they could rescue him to get on better terms for south stream and Syria... but who knows...

    For some arabic lands? No thanks. We saw how it ended up in 1918. A sane and modern Turk wishes to see a sane and modern Israeli as a neighbor rather than an unstable arabic country.

    Where on earth could they possibly find a sane Israel?

    Without the US shielding it and funding it it would quickly look like the Ukraine does now... it is the last model of a country you should be hoping for.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:18 am

    Well Garry, you are right. I am not willingly support Israel. But loom their country, their society. Jewish state is definitely expansionist, but I dont think the same for the people. Then look at Turkey, or other Muslim states. How they look from outside? Some beardy, violance lovers with weapons in their hands. Of course, in Turkey, such people are seen as illiterate, non developed villagers. Unfortunately, after the collapse of Ottomans, %90 if the Turkish society was like that. Ataturk transformed that society, into a modernizing, developing society. I use the -ing clause because it still continues. Now, arcaic ideologies are dying out in Turkey. We had this transformation because we came out from a war that would annihilate Turks. We faced it. Turkish republic was born when nobody wanted Turks.

    But arabs, their countries have borders drawn with rulers. They are gifted their countries. Thanks to WW2, they finally broke up colonialism. But Westerners never left the Gulf. Man Arabic women Recently got the permit to drive. In 1930s Turkish women were allowed to Vote!

    What Erdogan and some Muslim Brotherhood sympatizers wanted was, to merge back with much much backwards arab societies under a fake identity called ummah. Well I am Muslim myself, but I do not think&believe that would work. Muslims today have an outline that I am ashamed of. Violence, killing,illiteracy, I mean it has nothing to do with religious scripts and Islamic past. Christians had much more darker past, did Christianity today vanished? No. But they developed.

    Turkey should develop as well. But not with Arabs. No.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 am

    Well you are talking "by then" which I believe it was the most humiliating period of Turkish foreign affairs. However, from 15 July 2016 onwards, Erdogan had to bow down to Turkish state interests and old guards, and now ultimately aims to stand still for Turkish interests.
    Nothing changed , still turkey seeking for the best relations with israel .

    If we look at *today* , what we see is exactly the opposite. If Turkey made business with Israel one fold, todays Egypt ultimately submits to Israel. Which, I believe, is a must for Sisi. Egyptian army gets billions of dollars of US aid to sustain itself. Country itself is nearly owned by army itself. Egyptian soil is being sold to KSA, Israel draws Egyptian EEZ and forces arabs to obey that. It is pretty much old weak days of Turkey. But if we look today, strong arab countries are no more, they are all wiped out. Muslim brotherhood collapsed. Both ideologically, and practically. It is dead now.

    Quick update for u ;
    Egypt put about 70000 soldiers with heavy equipments in sinai which is a gainst the peace treatment 1973 with israel .
    Nothing sold to KSA , these islands belongs to them but it was under egyptian army control because KSA was a fraid that israel could occupy it .
    US is paying this annual money because it was mentioned in the peace treatment 1973 .

    That is why I say, if we make a deal with Israel, all gulf states and egypt will bow down. Israeli army destroyed entire arab armies in 6 days, muslim brotherhood sympatizers here in Turkey and abroad can not even understand it.

    Not true , Egypt didn't fight in 1967 , 2/3 of the egyptian army was in yemen war and israel took that advantage to make a sudden attack in sinai , not all arabian countries make a war with israel that's a wrong information you have .

    Also Egypt destroyed israel army although the US unlimited aid in 1973 and we took sinai back in a complete real tactical war not just attacking small units as they did in 1967 !!

    If there is a single country in middle east which can be a real adversary for Israel,it is Turkey. But, for what reason?

    LOL that's pretty funny , turkey economic is completly controlled by US and EU , trump with one tweet took the turkish economy down Rolling Eyes

    Since when turkey make any wars with israel ?! and why they didn't attack israel after what happened with the liberty ship ?? israel perfectly knows that no army in that area is dangerous except the egyptian army .

    I agree that turkey should stay as a partner with israel but without make a trade with the arab'bloods .



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