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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 23, 2020 6:35 pm

    RTN wrote:
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    The main issue for turkish now are the two su24M that can fire precision guided missiles. They have nothing to counter them.
    Does this ring a bell...?

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat May 23, 2020 7:13 pm

    krakovv wrote:Guys, can anyone with more knowledge analyze these videos please? How is it possible that i can not see missiles hit or fly even when i slow the video to 0.25 and watch frame by frame? And how is it possible to destroy working Pantsir, are there no others to protect it if it is out of ammo, is it because of incapable crew or just a flaw in the system that can be abused? And what are your thoughts about using and transporting Krasukha EWS in the broad daylight without air-defense or aircraft cover as seen in the first video?



    It's a micro munition (MAM-L) , hard to spot it but in the above video you can see it on second 18 .

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    Pantsir already dropped down many UAVs in Libya and many targets in Syria including cruise missiles .Destroynig it is not impossible too but definetly the crews in Libya are not well trained , some of them were reading the catalogue while the UAV is flying above them ,others took selfies with the system and post it on Facebook with the location inside shelters !! . If the Pantsir didn't engage the UAV ,at least it would engage the munition but it didn't and this prove there is something wrong with the crew .
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat May 23, 2020 9:23 pm

    Lots of comments out there re the LNA leaving Tripoli. A lot of stuff in the convoy, someone said they saw a Msta B, in the video at the link, with more before and after the filming.

    Also a Pantsir on a transporter, just how many are there there?

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat May 23, 2020 10:27 pm

    Do you think the one who recorded the video would post it and say "we are withdrawing from Triploi " ?

    Actually today LNA restored two areas and captured 15 syrians there . There is nothing like "leaving Tripoli " ,only repositioning around .

    There is no evidence that Wagner Group is there .
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 23, 2020 10:32 pm

    The Wagner thing was made up by USA. Russians on average have a laugh at you retards who repost that shit.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 23, 2020 10:36 pm


    I honestly have no idea what is happening there, who, where,why, when, like at all.... confused
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    Post  Isos on Sat May 23, 2020 11:09 pm

    GNA captured a big air base and LNA and Wegner are moving stuff. There are even Tigr-M there (??).

    I think they are making a strategical retreat for the upcoming attacks supported by the mig-29 and su-24. Al-Sissi also said Egypt will go at wat directly if Aftar loose too much terrain.

    IMO Russians are pissed to see the turkish propaganda about pantsir, they also attack a pantsir on a russian truck so not UAE's so it was wegner operated so it was russian so they attacked russians which is not something russian will let unanswered and UAE/Egypt wants to go faster and don't like the turkish successes in Libya.

    Again IMO we could see soon a big operation targeting turkish drones, command post and their ships transporting equipment to GNA including their escort, the three frigates off Libya.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 23, 2020 11:33 pm

    Whoever is transporting the Pantsirs without cover is ridiculously stupid.  I know they are stretched thin and those Libyans are busy, they cant just leave them alone in such a fashion.  As for the "Russian Mercs" thing, its hilarious.  That is the biggest nonsense I have ever read and not a single shred of evidence of "Wagner" existing where even sites have called out the so called information, and people here believe it.  I figured people here were smarter than that but I guess I am wrong.

    Hey, any images of "Russian Mercs" with actual Identification to prove it?  Like Passports?  Cause we see in places like Venezuela or Georgia where Americans were killed or caught, there was US passports. Or Ukraine where Passports from nearly every corner of the world was found?

    Anyway, I give Haftar credit. But I also give credit to Turkey cause they sure can mount an offensive even if the odds are against them. After losing as many drones as they have and what, two transport ships and dozens and dozens of men in Syria, they still attempt. That is sure lots of balls.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 23, 2020 11:34 pm

    No, I mean what has been happening for past several years?

    I have no Idea who is who, who is working for whom or who is doing what or why.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 23, 2020 11:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:No, I mean what has been happening for past several years?

    I have no Idea who is who, who is working for whom or who is doing what or why.


    Apparently:

    UAE and Egypt are assisting Haftar while Turkey is supporting the GNA (that so called government in Tripoli with very little support). LNA (Heftar) forces seem to be doing quite well and getting shit done. But Turkey has provided a lot of assistance where they were able to destroy quite a few Heftars air defense systems and regain some positions, While losing a ton of drones and got I think 1 or two transport ships blew up. Now Russia is providing support for Heftar in the form of equipment like Pantsir, vehicles and what not - obviously from Syria (probably a cheap and easy way to get stuff to libya).
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 23, 2020 11:50 pm


    Ah, I see

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    Post  George1 on Sat May 23, 2020 11:52 pm

    Libya’s Haftar says all Turkish soldiers are legitimate targets
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    BEIRUT, LEBANON (10:10 P.M.) – The commander-in-chief of the Libyan National Army, Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, called for targeting every Turkish soldier and every mercenary on Libyan soil, considering that they are legitimate targets.

    Haftar ordered both officers and commanders on all axes and soldiers to continue the fighting, saying, “You are fighting a holy war that is open on all fronts.”

    He continued, during an audio recording directed at officers and soldiers of the General Command and carried by the Libyan Gateway to the Center, “You are fighting a comprehensive war in which there is nothing but victory, as we are used to in all our battles against terrorism.”

    “We will fight and fight until we return the Turkish colonizer,” he continued.

    Haftar called on the officers and soldiers of the General Command to target all everyone “who trampled our land to occupy it and every mercenary and every traitor agent who sold the homeland to the colonizer and sided with the row of aggression,” noting that “the legitimate aim of your missile fire does not take you with mercy or compassion.”

    Turkey has previously warned the Libyan National Army and their commander that any attacks on Turkish interests will not be tolerated.


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/libyas-haftar-says-all-turkish-soldiers-are-legitimate-targets/
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 23, 2020 11:55 pm

    Shits gonna get real. Now that Haftar has new fighter jets (well, used but new for them) and have a shit ton of equipment (artillery and SAMS), they are ready.

    I dont know about pilots but AD crew would be (chances are 90%) Libyan cause they have a ton of them left over during Gadaffi era. Pilots could be Egyptian.

    Anyway this is looking to be interesting.
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    Post  Isos on Sun May 24, 2020 12:16 am

    Mercenaries exists and there are russians there. Wagner thing seems also true but what are their ties with russian MoD ? IDK.

    There are also other private military contractors there including french and UK and working with Aftar too.

    The only Haftar supporter having pantsir is UAE and only based on german chassis. Pictures prove there are some based on russian chassis.

    Russia seems to be interested only by selling weapons to Aftar which means selling weapons to UAE which is full of cash. I don't think they give a fuck about who wins as long as the war benefits them and the migs were probably sold 30 millon each with more for modernization.
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    Post  Isos on Sun May 24, 2020 12:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ah, I see

    Thanks thumbsup

    Most funny part is that EU supports Haftar. Why is it funny ? Because GNA is just the people they imposed to Libya after the war in 2011.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 24, 2020 12:19 am

    Isos wrote:Mercenaries exists and there are russians there. Wagner thing seems also true but what are their ties with russian MoD ? IDK.

    There are also other private military contractors there including french and UK and working with Aftar too.

    The only Haftar supporter having pantsir is UAE and only based on german chassis. Pictures prove there are some based on russian chassis.

    Russia seems to be interested only by selling weapons to Aftar which means selling weapons to UAE which is full of cash. I don't think they give a fuck about who wins as long as the war benefits them and the migs were probably sold 30 millon each with more for modernization.

    Russian ones may be quick supply from UAE.  Just because UAE demands MAN vehicles, it may be a quick sale using KAMAZ and could be older Russian stock as they are replacing all with S2 variant. This is to supply Libya and not UAE. UAE probably just pay for it and transfered directly from Syria to Libya.

    Wagner doesnt exist.  There isn't a single bit of evidence of "wagner" but some so called Cossack guy that was proven not to be Cossack and lives in some small town in Russia that apparently people state he is a lunatic so he is just a nobody who screams the loudest like a 5th column retard.  wagner isn't even a Russian word ffs.

    Russian mercenaries are a different case.  Remember the so called 600 dead Wagner in Syria that was neither proven but also came from that same source I mentioned?  Turns out it was 12 guys dead and half of them were Bulgarian and the other half were a mixture from Russia and other places.

    Russian mercenaries exist, yes.  Wager? No.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 12:53 am

    Financing this war is quite interesting and we should not assume that any party, inside or outside the country is helping out of the kindness of their hearts.

    Internally there is a curious split, as the GNA has, as the Government recognized by the outside world, control of the oil supply contracts and bank accounts. Whilst the LNA has control of oil export terminals.

    Two or three months back the LNA, not getting any money, stopped oil exports which stopped the money flow to GNA. I don't know what happened after that, did the two sides do a money share or is the oil still stopped?

    Money is one reason why the Turks are there, they desperately need $ and the GNA have been paying very well for all the help they get.

    So, if the new money flow is still stopped either the GNA are running down their bank balances or Turkey is working on credit, which means they have to win or lose everything. The same applies for the LNA who are either on a money share with the GNA even tho' they are fighting each other, or they are running up some serious debt in the UAE bank.

    This really is a winner take all fight.

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    Post  Isos on Sun May 24, 2020 1:36 am

    I don't think so. LNA controls oil which is mainly traded with EU and mostly France. GNA controls nothing and they pay with leftovers of Gaddafi era.

    Money can be kept in french banks. On the other side Egypt and UAE provide money and give their own weapons for free.

    GNA has no real territory. If Haftar loose some Egypt will attack directly. They will never let Turks win there because they would have turkish back terrorist on the east and west sides spreading terrorism inside Egypt (it already started with ISIS). Then it could lead to the same destruction of Egypt as Syria.

    UAE and Saudi Arabia on the other side don't want Turkey to be the leader of Sunni world whuch is what Erdogan is fighting for. EU is no more happy to see that happen too because that would restart the flow of migrants from Africa as Erdogan loves to use them as a weapon.

    Libyan war is not a civil war at all. It's a total proxy war for foreign interest. And frankly speaking if Egypt, UAE and Russian really start using everything they can to help Haftar, turks won't sustain more than few hours there. That's far from their homeland and they don't have the power projection capabilty to fight Egypt in Lybia neither do they have deterrance that would stop Egypt attacking them there. Furthermore without datailing, Turks would be fuck by Egypt pretty easily in a long war: no more Suez canal for them, Egypt is on the way of any Turkish civilian ship and could sink them everytime they want to trade with other countries, rest of the world don't support Turks....

    Again Turks don't have the capacity to be a superpower. I don't understand why Erdogan keeps using its military when he can be beaten pretty easily everywhere and become a paria at home.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun May 24, 2020 3:54 am

    So 2 Qatari C-17's (one with Kenyan call sign flying from Istanbul lol1) and 1 Turkish C-130 are on their way to deliver weapons, ammo and terrorists to Libya:

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    I think it's time for Algeria to play it's hand, and for Russia to secretly play theirs. Apparently 4 regiments (with 12 launchers per regiment) totaling in 48 launchers of Iskander have been delivered to Algeria. Qatari C-17's would be nice big juicy targets for Iskander-M, and with Russia coordinating it, they can get their revenge against Qatar for their role in bombing a Russian airliner in Egypt back in 2016. Iskander-M's use could really deter Turkish use of it's frigates and it's tactical airlift.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun May 24, 2020 4:25 am

    So the LNA is retreating from positions in Ain Zara area, south of Tripoli, but they made sure to leave behind some 'presents'

    MON-50

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    What looks like a 152mm shell converted into a IED

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    A landmine, I'm not sure of what design.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 11:11 am

    Looks like 2 x TAF C-130, 2 x QAF C-17 and a KAF C-222 or C-27 airlift

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 11:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:So the LNA is retreating from positions in Ain Zara area, south of Tripoli, but they made sure to leave behind some 'presents'


    Left the paperwork too, in Russian. But no Wagner anywhere to be seen Smile

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 11:21 am

    Screenshot from the video linked earlier in post 631

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 1:36 pm

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    They suggest #4B8225 is not C-130E 63-13188 but a newer Casa CN-235. Whichever is true, both are TuAF cargo planes.


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