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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:39 pm

    George1 wrote:Tehran Intends to Buy New Fighter Jets - Defense Ministry

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611231047766778-tehran-jets-purchase-ministry/

    but nothing to say what yet apart from T-90 tanks, and their was talk a while ago about Su-30Sm, only thing the article states is aircraft, artillery systems, and helicopters.
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    Post  crod Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:00 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Tehran Intends to Buy New Fighter Jets - Defense Ministry

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611231047766778-tehran-jets-purchase-ministry/

    but nothing to say what yet apart from T-90 tanks, and their was talk a while ago about Su-30Sm, only thing the article states is aircraft, artillery systems, and helicopters.

    None of these mooted systems can be determined as self defence only, thus to provide Iran with any of them would be in breach of the sanctions...not happening any time soon.
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    Post  airstrike Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:17 pm

    Iran wants to buy Su-30 fighter jets says Defense Minister

    http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/26/iran-wants-to-buy-su-30-fighter-jets-says-defense-minister/
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    Post  KiloGolf Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:26 pm

    airstrike wrote:Iran wants to buy Su-30 fighter jets says Defense Minister

    http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/26/iran-wants-to-buy-su-30-fighter-jets-says-defense-minister/

    They keep saying that since, like forever. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:29 am

    With Trump in commmand... how long before sanctions are reimposed... and of course if they are the Russians would be free to sell them anything they wanted...
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    Post  nomadski Sat May 06, 2017 9:38 pm

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-73_(missile)


    Now a few points about qaher 313 . It seems to be a ground effect stealth aircraft . Using all Iranian components . The reason for downturned wings , can be stability or avoiding vortex . Gaining upto 40 percent lift . With smaller sized engines .so far the concept is good .

    However for an aircraft that will fly over water . To attack aircraft carriers at sea .It needs to ideally land on water . Either to wait . Refuel . Or disguise it's IR by cooling engines . In this case . The air intakes need to be on top of plane . Away from spray. The hull needs to be made like a boat shape . And on closing or opening bomb bay doors to be water proof . By rubber edgings and vacuum created inside bomb bay by air pump . To sqeeze rubber edgings . The downturned winglets need to be attached to external fuel tanks . These get used first . And then act as buoyancy . For water landing .

    There is no way to hide the launch of aircraft from shore . Even with zero radar return . Jet engine IR visible by sattelite or u2 . At this time aircraft carrier launch F18 . The two planes meet midway between land and sea . F18 being faster and higher move behind qaher 313 . And can fire IR missile . So qaher needs IR decoys . The type that sit on water . But F18 closes in and shoots guns . So qaher needs backward firing IR missiles .

    Alternatively Russians can help equip the qaher 313 with more powerful engines . To make it an air superiority dog fighter . It can then take care of carrier F18 . Using cannon or IR / radar guided missiles at all altitudes and speeds .And then proceed to kill the carrier .
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    Post  Guest Sat May 06, 2017 11:32 pm

    nomadski wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-73_(missile)


    Now a few points about qaher 313 . It seems to be a ground effect stealth aircraft . Using all Iranian components . The reason for downturned wings , can be stability or avoiding vortex . Gaining upto 40 percent lift . With smaller sized engines .so far the concept is good .

    However for an aircraft that will fly over water . To attack aircraft carriers at sea .It needs to ideally land on water . Either to wait . Refuel . Or disguise it's IR by cooling engines . In this case . The air intakes need to be on top of plane . Away from spray. The hull needs to be made like a boat shape . And on closing or opening bomb bay doors to be water proof . By rubber edgings and vacuum created inside bomb bay by air pump . To sqeeze rubber edgings . The downturned winglets need to be attached to external fuel tanks . These get used first . And then act as buoyancy . For water landing .

    There is no way to hide the launch of aircraft from shore . Even with zero radar return . Jet engine IR visible by sattelite or u2 . At this time aircraft carrier launch F18 . The two planes meet midway between land and sea . F18 being faster and higher move behind qaher 313 . And can fire IR missile . So qaher needs IR decoys . The type that sit on water . But F18 closes in and shoots guns . So qaher needs backward firing IR missiles .

    Alternatively Russians can help equip the qaher 313 with more powerful engines . To make it an air superiority dog fighter . It can then take care of carrier F18 . Using cannon or IR / radar guided missiles at all altitudes and speeds .And then proceed to kill the carrier .

    Qaher 313 ground effect aircraft? Are you by any chance insane?

    Using all Iranian components? Just cockpit is showing at least 20 commercial components built on West.

    IR signature from an aircraft engine to be seen by satelite?

    I mean... you must be kidding...
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 07, 2017 3:02 am

    It would be vastly cheaper and simpler to merely buy the production rights to the Yakhont anti ship missile.

    Your biggest problem is finding the enemy carriers but with the limitation of the geography with the flight range of the F-18 with a useful weapon load you can limit your search area to a size that is manageable.

    Launch a geostationary orbit satellite that covers the sea to the south of Iran... ie Persian gulf and that should offer enough coverage to determine a general location of the threats.

    Create a simple unmanned aircraft with big wings and lots of fuel that can take off and carry 2-4 Yakhonts towards the target carriers... in actual use mount civilian IFF systems on it and make it pretend to be a civilian airliner... when it gets to point x a certain distance from the carriers it can release its weapons and turn 90 degrees and climb to be more visible on radar and emit a distress call to attract US attention away from the incoming missiles... wait 40 minutes and then repeat until you get some hits...
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    Post  nomadski Sun May 07, 2017 8:21 pm

    http://www.sensorsinc.com/technology/swir-and-the-u-2


    http://spacenews.com/newest-sbirs-satellite-operational-and-transmitting/

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FUtZwjleT3kC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=satellite+tracking+of+aircraft+by+or+plume+exhaust&source=bl&ots=c2vjuohbu0&sig=RByg3s0VTSv224MMDproNYJ4fPs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-15K_qd7TAhWjO5oKHbX4C3AQ6AEIHzAA

    http://spaceflight101.com/spacecraft/sbirs/


    @Militarov

    The Iranians themselves said that the mission of this aircraft was very low altitude . Any aircraft can take advantage of ground effect . Airliners do it eveyday on landing . Also Iran has been making instrumentation for earlier f5 clone fighters . Sattelites do track hot gas plumes from Space . The sensitivity has been increasing . It is a matter of deduction . It is best to err on the side of caution .

    @GarryB

    Automated systems have their own place . Iran already has produced various UAV . Capable of launching various missiles . However manned aircraft have a special place . After all the human mind and eyes can not be easily jammed . A dumb air launched torpedo , can not be fried with emp .

    I am surprised , no mention was made about my suggesstion of using the Indian Oceon as a landing strip for marine version
    qaher 313 . Nor an internal bay for backward firing all aspect AA missiles !


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    Post  GarryB Mon May 08, 2017 3:23 am

    Against a normal air defence network... say a US Army position, then flying very low and fast is the best way to attack with both aircraft and weapons because it delays the time when they detect the threat and limits their options and greatly shortens their reaction time before something goes boom.

    The problem with doing the same to US carriers is that they expect low level attacks and have AWACS coverage over a flat surface called the sea. No hills to hide behind, no road traffic to fly close to and pretend to be...

    It therefore makes more sense to fly at medium altitude at very high speed, or very high altitude and very high speed when in their sights. Close the distance pretending to be something else.

    A shipping container ship with Yakhont launcher bins disguised as standard shipping containers on top until close in the narrow confines of the persian gulf is one way.

    Semi submerged shipping crates with torpedoes with pre programmed search patterns to look for carriers in specific areas.

    The whole advantage of wing in ground effect aircraft is that they generate much less drag as the wing tip vortexes are broken up by the ground they are flying over.

    The obvious problem is that at near ground level they are flying through the thickest atmosphere which limits top speed and reduces the efficiency of jet engines.

    There is a serious lift advantage but that only adds to payload capacity and not speed.

    Regarding rear firing self defence AAMs... my advice would be to wait for Morfei which will be custom designed for the role of bomber defence from internal weapon bays.
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    Post  nomadski Mon May 08, 2017 5:46 pm


    @GarryB

    Thanks for reply . I understood it . Apart from your use of " mofrei " . All these ideas of containers , I have heard before . But I am talking about a manned fighter . I agree that flying low has advantages / disadvantages , in terms of speed etc . But my main concern is about hiding the plane from radars . So hiding the plane , below horizon has obvious advantages . And other radars such as over the horizon radar , may not be as efficient . But for airborne radar , I guess the altitude of plane makes no difference . Only it's radar cross section .

    Now about IR signature of engine and plume . The observability depends on :

    ( 1 ) Altitude of plane . The closer to thin atmosphere . Or high altitude . The more signal pass through to space .

    ( 2 ) The angle of satellite or spy plane to fighter .

    ( 3 ) The humidity or cloud cover .

    ( 4 ) The time of day . Amount of reflected light from the sea .

    ( 5 ) The size of engine . And if after burner is used .

    ( 6 ) The temperature of engine . The type of fuel . Wavelength of exhaust gases .

    It may be possible by using different fuel type . Engine type . Time of flight . To find a window . Where engine and plume are disguised against background radiation and not enough gets out to high altitude or space .

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 12, 2017 10:19 am

    Thanks for reply . I understood it . Apart from your use of " mofrei "

    Morfei is a new short range IIR guided missile to be used by all branches of the Russian armed forces.

    For the Air Force it will be a small short range self defence missile used by fighters and bombers as a short range defence weapon that can be fired from an internal weapon bay without a lock on. After launch either from a weapon bay of a fighter or bomber, or off the launch rail of a conventional aircraft/unmanned aircraft the missile will have a two way datalink so it can pass its view back to the launch platform which can select a target or it can select a target itself.

    It will have an onboard database of 3D IR images so it can identify targets and select the most dangerous itself.

    For a very low flying aircraft that means you can fire it backwards at pretty much any target from enemy aircraft to enemy missiles (AAM and SAM).

    I agree that flying low has advantages / disadvantages , in terms of speed etc . But my main concern is about hiding the plane from radars . So hiding the plane , below horizon has obvious advantages . And other radars such as over the horizon radar , may not be as efficient . But for airborne radar , I guess the altitude of plane makes no difference . Only it's radar cross section .

    Unless it is super stealthy then it will be detected at reasonable ranges by airborne radar... the Soviet/Russian solution is speed and numbers.

    Compared with the western solution of numbers.

    Now about IR signature of engine and plume . The observability depends on :

    ( 1 ) Altitude of plane . The closer to thin atmosphere . Or high altitude . The more signal pass through to space .

    ( 2 ) The angle of satellite or spy plane to fighter .

    ( 3 ) The humidity or cloud cover .

    ( 4 ) The time of day . Amount of reflected light from the sea .

    ( 5 ) The size of engine . And if after burner is used .

    ( 6 ) The temperature of engine . The type of fuel . Wavelength of exhaust gases .

    It may be possible by using different fuel type . Engine type . Time of flight . To find a window . Where engine and plume are disguised against background radiation and not enough gets out to high altitude or space .

    NAVAL AEW does not really use IR so time of day, humidity, engine temperature are all irrelevant... the radar will detect the incoming targets and that information will be passed to the carrier to launch aircraft and vector aircraft already in the air to your position and to power up the SAM systems on all the ships of the carrier group.

    The point is that at sea level the fastest you will travel is mach 0.9 with a payload of weapons.

    If you replace that manned fighter/bomber with a missile like Yakhont you get a faster speed at sea level... something like mach 1.6-1.8, or at medium to high altitude almost twice that.

    In 10 years time with Zircon you get to double that again at high altitude.

    In the persian gulf for Iran you are better going for quiet running torpedoes and mines.
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    Post  yavar Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:32 pm

    Iran's Training Jet, The 'Kosar' هواپیمای جت آموزشی بومی کشور با نام کوثر

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    Post  yavar Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:32 pm


    Iran IRIAF Defenders of Velayat Sanctuary 7 wargame P-1 رزمایش اقتدار هوایی فداییان حریم ولایت۷

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    Post  yavar Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:41 am

    Iran IRIAF Defenders of Velayat Sanctuary 7 wargame P-2 رزمایش اقتدار هوایی فداییان حریم ولایت۷


    Iran Aerial bombardment of C-130 in Defenders of Velayat Sanctuary 7 wargame بمباران هوایی سی-۱۳۰
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:32 pm

    Why is Iran struggling to produce aircraft such as HESA Saeqeh and toophan helicopters? ??
    Lack of parts????? I feel Irans aircraft programmes are just paper planes and no real aviation industry exists. They desperately need new aircraft and nothing seems to be materialising from foreign countries due to sanctions.
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    Post  yavar Thu May 17, 2018 6:21 pm

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    Post  Guest Thu May 17, 2018 8:15 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Why is Iran struggling to produce aircraft such as HESA Saeqeh and toophan helicopters? ??
    Lack of parts????? I feel Irans aircraft programmes are just paper planes and no real aviation industry exists. They desperately need new aircraft and nothing seems to be materialising from foreign countries due to sanctions.

    No real know-how, no industry, struggle to keep existing planes fly is hard enough.
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    Post  GarryB Fri May 18, 2018 6:17 am

    Even the US Navy struggled to keep F-14s operational... it was a generation of fairly unreliable computer hardware... add vibration and extremes of temperatures on board an aircraft and of course you are going to have problems keeping them working properly...

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    Post  yavar Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:02 pm





    Iran ministry of defence (MOD) mass production line Air to Air missile beyond-visual-range missile (BVR) Fakour / test

    Iran Begins Mass-Production of New Air-to-Air Missile
    TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran’s defense minister on Monday inaugurated the mass production line of a homegrown air-to-air missile dubbed Fakour.
    In a ceremony in Tehran, Brigadier General Amir Hatami inaugurated the production line of Fakour, saying it could be mounted on all types of fighter jets.
    Designed and manufactured with the latest technologies, Fakour is a radar-based medium-range missile that can fight off various types of intruding jets, he added.
    The minister highlighted Iran’s military preparedness and defense capabilities, stating that any threat against the country will receive a proportional response.
    http://tn.ai/1783601
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:27 pm

    https://en.trend.az/iran/society/2933411.html

    Iran unveils upgraded Sukhoi 22 fighters

    Iran unveiled 10 Sukhoi 22 fighter jets, which were overhauled and upgraded by the Aerospace force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC).

    The fighters were unveiled in a ceremony on July 25 during a ceremony attended by IRGC Commander Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari and Commander of the IRGC Aerospace Force Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh in southern city of Shiraz, Tasnim news agency reported.

    Hajizadeh said that the fighters were grounded for 28 years but they have been equipped with new domestically produced military equipment.

    He added that the upgraded fighters now are capable to carry and launch smart and pin-pointing cluster bombs, air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles.

    The commander said that this fighters also will be able to transmit data from drones from a several-kilometer distance.

    Hajizadeh said that an air-to-ground cruise missile system with a range of 1,500 kilometres also will be installed on Sukhoi 22 jets in the near future.

    Iranian media outlets reported that in recent years, Tehran made great strides in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in producing essential military equipment and systems.

    In March 2018, the country’s Air Force experts successfully overhauled a US-made F-4 fighter.

    Earlier in February, Iranian media outlets reported that Islamic Republic experts successfully overhauled US-made F-7 and F-14 fighter jets as well as a PC7 Turbo Trainer.

    In 2015, Iranian Air Force experts reportedly overhauled US-made F-7 and F-14 fighter jets.

    Also in 2014 Iran overhauled grounded F-4 and F-14 fighter jets.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:43 pm

    More on the Su-22


    Iran Military
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    Resurrected Striker: IRGC Su-22 fighters now equipped with new weapon systems including: Yasin sophisticated precision glide bomb, Simorgh cluster bomb, Bina laser-guided missile, a newly-developed targeting pod, and R-60 infrared homing A2A missile.


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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:23 pm

    I wonder if this move on the su-22 is because they are struggling to maintain usa made aircraft even they have overhauled a few in the past its possible they can't overhaul fast enough or have all the required parts. As it states these aircraft have been in storage for 28 year's so if they wanted them back in service they could have done so long ago hence there must be a reason also even though it states otherwise I still think they got some help from someone.
    On the plus side it's likely the su-22 will be easier and cheaper to maintain than usa aircraft in service.

    Iran still seems to struggle to produce it's Saeqeh a copy of the F-5.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:54 am

    Or perhaps they have noticed that even an old aircraft like the Su-24 can be an effective weapon in combat with a few specific upgrades that don't make it more expensive to use than a newer aircraft.

    There is no point in upgrading an old aircraft to use brand new expensive weapons when old cheap weapons and a delivery system upgrade can be just as good.

    Perhaps a case of Iran noticing that cheap old Russian planes with relatively cheap avionics upgrades can match western guided weapons performance, but using cheap dumb old bombs...
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:01 am

    GarryB wrote:Or perhaps they have noticed that even an old aircraft like the Su-24 can be an effective weapon in combat with a few specific upgrades that don't make it more expensive to use than a newer aircraft.

    There is no point in upgrading an old aircraft to use brand new expensive weapons when old cheap weapons and a delivery system upgrade can be just as good.

    Perhaps a case of Iran noticing that cheap old Russian planes with relatively cheap avionics upgrades can match western guided weapons performance, but using cheap dumb old bombs...


    I quite agree. Syrian air force is a testament that older aircraft can still be useful and effective. Especially with the type of conflicts the world has been witnessing. Ground attack aircraft don't need to fancy and high tech. Reliable cheap to maintain and having a system that allows delivery of dumb bombs accurately is key and as add on be able to use guided munitions when needed. The high tech aircraft ideally are needed for air interceptor duties so having a mix of both good. Only downside to old aircraft is life of air frame and parts availability. I actually think designing a cheap aircraft that does this role is ideal. Hence I say that an armed version of the yak-130 with maybe a slight upgrade to the engine's would fulfil this role nicely.

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