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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:29 am

    Seems the Russians agree too, they took Su-24s to war in Syria to test their new Avionics bombing/navigation suite, and they had Su-34s to test them because they are new, while they also had Tu-22m3 and heavier aircraft for the heavy stuff.

    They used Su-30 and Su-35 and even briefly the Su-57... the former two for actual air protection and the latter for testing.

    Of course it does not need to be that way for Iran... with a good combination they could get away with not needing big expensive modern fighters...

    I would expect a modern AWACS platform that the Russians develop for their new carriers would be a sophisticated useful aircraft, while the real key is payload... ie AAMs... with an AWACS platform you have 360 degree vision, so what you really need is a collection of short, medium, and long range missiles to deal with a range of air threats. RVV-BD on a modified MiG-35 that could carry perhaps four RVV-BD, plus four RVV-SD and perhaps two RVV-MD on a five pylon wing loadout...

    The long and medium range shots taken using AWACS data, while the short range missiles would be used against close combat threats.

    Actually I would probably change that to two RVV-BD, and four RVV-SD and four RVV-MD.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:47 am

    I quite agree and let's not forget that the russians also deployed su-25 and tu-95 which was its first combat missions lol.

    Problemthat Iran has is the threat it faces I. E Israel who seem to do whatever they want in the middle east. So air defence both ground and air assets are key aircraft for ground attack they already have aircraft that can fulfill that role. Ideally they would replace their aging mig-29 with mig-35 and F-14 with su-30 (at least) along with their S-300 this would likely form a deterrence I also think that mig-31 would also be useful for Iran especially if Russia ever developed an export of the hypersonic dagger missile of course now f-35 they would have to at ways of combating it through the use of radar then guide fighters towards it. But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:29 am

    But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.

    I know it sounds silly, but I think the worst case for Iran is if the agreement holds...

    Right now EU companies are pulling out of Iran because they fear getting sanctioned from the much larger more profitable market of the US... so in effect Iran is getting sanctioned but is also limited by the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons.

    The US gets Iran to abide by the agreement it no longer is bound by and can keep its sanctions on Iran, while Iran not developing nukes.

    I would say tear up the old agreement and say the US can impose sanctions on Iran, bur Russia and China can say that Iran kept up their end of the bargain, it was the US and EU that fucked everything up, so we (Russia and China) will not respect any previous sanction imposed on Iran internationally and we will sell them anything they want and trade with them too.

    I think Israel would shit itself and the US would come running back to the table for talks... and Iran can tell them to go screw themselves because it does not trust a word the US says anymore... why would anyone?

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:50 am

    GarryB wrote:
    But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.

    I know it sounds silly, but I think the worst case for Iran is if the agreement holds...

    Right now EU companies are pulling out of Iran because they fear getting sanctioned from the much larger more profitable market of the US... so in effect Iran is getting sanctioned but is also limited by the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons.

    The US gets Iran to abide by the agreement it no longer is bound by and can keep its sanctions on Iran, while Iran not developing nukes.

    I would say tear up the old agreement and say the US can impose sanctions on Iran, bur Russia and China can say that Iran kept up their end of the bargain, it was the US and EU that fucked everything up, so we (Russia and China) will not respect any previous sanction imposed on Iran internationally and we will sell them anything they want and trade with them too.

    I think Israel would shit itself and the US would come running back to the table for talks... and Iran can tell them to go screw themselves because it does not trust a word the US says anymore... why would anyone?


    Well said and put but would Iran Russia and China have the balls to do it?
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    Post  Admin Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:15 pm

    The US destroyed all of the F-14 spare parts so Iran has no way to keep those flying. The F-5s are still in use so they can get those on the black market. Anything from the days of the Sha are not combat worthy in these times. Iran needs to place billions of orders from us so they can reconstitute a credible military deterrent.
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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:07 pm

    why not a Russian-Iran deal for lets say 50 MiG-35s??
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    Post  Isos Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:31 pm

    George1 wrote:why not a Russian-Iran deal for lets say 50 MiG-35s??

    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.
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    Post  Admin Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.

    The Iran Deal is dead, there is nothing left to respect.
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    Post  Isos Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:00 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.

    The Iran Deal is dead, there is nothing left to respect.  

    Yes now that Trump decided that. But before russians respected the deals made by the 5+1 group.

    Now even europeans have sold some 30 planes last week to them. Russia should give to Iran anything they need, not only military equipment.


    They could also buy firectly to russian airforce mig-29 Smt as they already fly mig-29 from Iraq air force.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:04 am

    Not going to hold my breath that we will see this in proper production more likely this will be a one off model nothing more. More money wasted on what's likely going to be a copy of a current aircraft they already have most likely a usa aircraft. But let's wait and see.


    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-will-unveil-new-domestically-made-fighter-jet-mod/
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:13 am

    Iran if it could ideally needs to get su-30 and su-34 upgrade it's su-25 & su-24 either upgrade it's mig-29 to smt or buy new smt or mig-35. They can then get rid of mirage, F-14, F-4. Then keep the j-7, su-22, as for the F-5 if they can upgrade it like they did with their homegrown version it could still be capable or replace it with mig-35. Their homegrown cobra helicopter production seems dead they could just opt for a mix of mi-35, mi-28, and get rights to produce the Ansat 2RC all these along with their UCAV should produce a capable force. Problem sanctions and money. But Iran needs to stop wasting cash on silly one off production models instead save the cash and if there is a chance to buy from another country they then have the cash to buy.
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    Post  yavar Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:45 pm

    Iran made Kowsar Fighter Jet 4th gen avionics ایران ساخت جنگنده اویونیک نسل چهار کوثر

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    Post  yavar Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More on the Su-22


    Iran Military
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    Resurrected Striker: IRGC Su-22 fighters now equipped with new weapon systems including: Yasin sophisticated precision glide bomb, Simorgh cluster bomb, Bina laser-guided missile, a newly-developed targeting pod, and R-60 infrared homing A2A missile.


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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:21 pm

    @yavar can you give us iranian fighters numbers in service by type?
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    Post  yavar Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:43 pm

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    Post  yavar Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:44 pm

    George1 wrote:@yavar can you give us iranian fighters numbers in service by type?
    sorry, too busy, never get the time,
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:16 pm

    yavar wrote:Iran made Kowsar Fighter Jet 4th gen avionics ایران ساخت جنگنده اویونیک نسل چهار کوثر


    Another F-5 copy??? They have done two already and even then only a handful of each this will likely be the same situation. Complete waste of money and time.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:04 pm

    Iran has revealed what it claims is a new domestically-produced fighter jet at a ceremony in Tehran.

    On Tuesday, Iranian state television screened images of President Hassan Rouhani sitting in the "Kowsar" fighter aircraft, according to Tasnim News Agency.

    Designed and manufactured solely by Iranian military experts, the Kowsar is described as a fourth-generation fighter jet, which classifies it among military fighters in service from approximately 1980 to the present day.

    By contrast, Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II, the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and China's Chengdu J-20 are considered fifth generation fighters because of their enhanced stealth abilities and computational power.

    Tasnim, citing the state television report, said Iran's new jet had already been through successful test flights and would soon be ready to carry out shorter distance aerial support missions.


    The aircraft was unveiled ahead of Iran's National Day of Defense Industry, which is to be held Wednesday. Iran's military had a 2017 budget of $14.1 billion, or 2.5 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP), according to figures supplied by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

    The country has developed a domestic arms industry as international sanctions have prevented it from importing weapons.

    The jet's arrival had already been foreshadowed by comments from Defence Minister Amir Hatami on Saturday, who said Iran's military had mounted a locally-built defensive weapons system on one of its warships for the first time.

    "Our top priority has been development of our missile program. We are in a good position in this field, but we need to develop it," Fars News Agency quoted Hatami as saying.

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    Post  medo Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:44 pm

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    I don't understand farsi language, but it seems this F-5F Kowsar is fully domestically new build plane. I don't know, why they rename it from Azaraksh to Kowsar. Iran already produced all parts of F-5 jets, when they rebuild old damaged F-5s into Saegeh fighters. Production of F-5 is logical choice for Iran. It is simple and reliable plane. Iran already produce whole J85 engine domestically. They also produce entire body and wings. They also produce all sub systems, because they have to produce them for spare parts. Now we could see, that Iran produce Russian K-36 ejection seats, most probably Russia give them lycence to produce them and this new F-5 is equipped with K-36 ejection seats. More interesting is new electrinics in the plane, which is also produced in Iran.

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    Some of those new components like HUD, MFDs, RWRs, were tested in this Azaraksh prototype. Iranian electronic industry is capable to produce all those new digital electronic blocks as well as radar. They said, that Kowsar have miltirole radar with air to air, air to ground and air to sea modes. Did they developed it themselves or they got help from Russia. Small enough radar could be Kopyo radar used in Indian MiG-21BISON jets with 75 km range or even more modern PESA radar Osa, made for MiG-29UBT with range of 85 km. Kopyo radar is made for export from the beginning, so i don't see a problem for Russia to give Iran this radar to produce them domestically. They also talk about weapon control computers, ballistic computers for precission attacks, INS/GPS blocks and digital data link networking. Sounds like SVP-24 complex from Gefest. After all, Iran have Su-24M jets and they overhaul and upgrade them domestically to integrate iranian armament on them. Who knows, maybe Gefest work with Iranians to upgrade their Su-24M jets. Interesting is, that those capabilities in Iran come out now, after Russia start their intervention in Syria and SVP-24 become well battle proven complex. We could also see new iranian domesting targeting pods and weapons on their Su-22 jets.

    For Iran it is most important to get new build jets produced fully domestically, what mean they are immune on any sanctions. Although F-5 is old design, new radar, FCS complex similar to SVP-24 and new targeting pod could made it still very dangerous strike plane. With new air to air missiles like R-77, it could be still usefull fighter inside IADS.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:45 am

    The US upgrade of the F-5 was the F-20... a single RD-33 in the newest model would be an interesting option...

    Those pouring scorn on this aircraft... it was originally designed as a simple cheap fighter that could be exported safely without revealing any secrets to the Soviets... fit it with a decent radar and a decent engine and decent electronics and hang modern AAMs under its wings and you get what the F-16 was supposed to be... a cheap light fighter.

    Upgrading it with an RD-33... which could be licence produced in Iran... and you could look at MiG-29M2s for a medium fighter and an Su-30 as your big heavy long range fighter.

    All three could operate as strike aircraft with some sort of Gefest & T upgrade to allow cheap dumb bombs to be used against point targets.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:35 am

    It's not a competent airframe, nor engine and cannot have enough operational radius or payload.  Yet I agree with GarryB, this is not needed in recent wars. Airplanes become more and more mobile missile carriers than anything else.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:48 pm

    Back at its home in the US the F-5E continues to be upgraded for aggressor squadron use so someone apart from Iran thinks this aircraft has potential. The timing of this article from a week ago is uncanny and this is its last sentence

    "But regardless of the business case surrounding commercial adversary support services, TacAir's F-5s are gorgeous and they will be truly impressive machines once their upgrades are complete."

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22957/refurbished-tacair-aggressor-f-5-photographed-over-st-augustine-florida

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    Post  yavar Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:01 am

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:07 am

    A 2 seater version of it means it's multirole, like the Israeli F-16D/Is, Iraqi F-16IQs & UAE's F-16E/Fs:
    http://israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16/F-16.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants#F-16I_Sufa
    https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Iraq-Seeks-F-16-Fighters-05057/?date_sent=2012-03-16+14%3A16%3A34
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants#F-16E/F_Block_60

    I wonder how many will be procured. In the near future, China & Russia may disregard sanctions all together & sell them Su-30s, J-10s, &/ JF-17s: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-02/18/content_23529890.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder#Potential_operators
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