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    Post  Viktor Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:15 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Source: Pakistan may buy 10 Russian Mi-26 helicopters
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    Post  mack8 Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:40 pm

    Russia lifts embargo (was there one? didn't realized that), Pakistan interested in Mi-35 (and Mi-26) among other things:
    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1232153
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:56 pm

    Indian members already going ape over at mp.net in regards tp this. But are quiet when you point out that their other connections sell more advanced or similar equipment to their enemy (French Mirage 5 to Pak and Mirage 2000 to India).

    So I dont see what difference it makes that they sell helicopters to Pakistan, especially since India isnt buying Russian helicopters besides VIP ones. Add in fact, Pakistan uses Russian Il jets before hand and do use Russian engines as well for their JF aircraft.
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    Post  medo Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Indian members already going ape over at mp.net in regards tp this. But are quiet when you point out that their other connections sell more advanced or similar equipment to their enemy (French Mirage 5 to Pak and Mirage 2000 to India).

    So I dont see what difference it makes that they sell helicopters to Pakistan, especially since India isnt buying Russian helicopters besides VIP ones. Add in fact, Pakistan uses Russian Il jets before hand and do use Russian engines as well for their JF aircraft.

    Quite true. Russia will sell to Pakistan Mi-35, which is not the top attack helicopter in Russia and Russia offer to India Mi-28N, but India buy AH-64 instead.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:48 pm

    But they arejumping around "predicting" FGFA cancelation and what not, over some proposed helicopters to Pakistan.
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    Post  mack8 Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:16 pm

    Indian members already going ape over at mp.net in regards to this

    Indian members or "indian" members? Smile  There are some certain interests (*cough* US of A *cough*) that would give anything to set India against Russia and destroy the mutually beneficial bilateral relations between the two, and transform India into yet another puppet state (the antagonism with China is bad enough). Selling a number of Mi-35s and Mi-26s to Pakistan means practically ZERO in the regional balance of power, certainly much less important than the sale of RD-93 for JF-17.

    When Russia would sell Pakistan say i dunno, 100 Su-35, 100 MiG-35, 50 Su-34, a dozen regiments of Anteys and/or S-400, a dozen Ladas, a dozen Steregushchys and 50 Iskander units with i dunno, 500 or 1000 missiles then yes, but until then, there is no valid reason to go "ape" over anything.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:24 pm

    Pakistan is also India. This retards should stop this nonsense.
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    Post  NickM Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:39 am

    Russia has every right to sell to Pakistan . It makes no difference what India thinks .

    The Indian arms lobby at the Kremlin has been so strong that they have scuttled most of the arms deal that the Kremlin wanted to strike with Pakistan , China and the Middle East . It seems Putin has finally realized that this Indian arms lobby has to be destroyed if the arms industry in Russia has to reach out to lucrative markets .

    Unbeknown to most Russians , India has now started a railway line to join Iran with the Russian Caucasus . Eventually this railway link will carry thousands of Indians into the Caucasus thereby reducing the local population in this area into a minority .
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    Post  collegeboy16 Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:59 pm

    mack8 wrote:
    Indian members or "indian" members? Smile  There are some certain interests (*cough* US of A *cough*) that would give anything to set India against Russia and destroy the mutually beneficial bilateral relations between the two, and transform India into yet another puppet state (the antagonism with China is bad enough). Selling a number of Mi-35s and Mi-26s to Pakistan means practically ZERO in the regional balance of power, certainly much less important than the sale of RD-93 for JF-17.

    When Russia would sell Pakistan say i dunno, 100 Su-35, 100 MiG-35, 50 Su-34,  a dozen regiments of Anteys and/or S-400, a dozen Ladas, a dozen Steregushchys and 50 Iskander units with i dunno, 500 or 1000 missiles then yes, but until then, there is no valid reason to go "ape" over anything.
    talkin about IconOfEnema? guy's so butthurt i squirm whenever i read his verbal diarrhea.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:09 pm

    Russia lifted the embargo on deliveries of weapons and military equipment to Pakistan
    Russian Aviaton » Friday June 6, 2014 17:29 MSK

    Russia has lifted the embargo on deliveries of weapons and military equipment to Pakistan. At present Russia is negotiating deliveries of Mi-35 helicopters to the country, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to CEO of Rostec State Corporation, Sergey Chemezov.

    "The decision has been taken and we are negotiating the deliveries of the helicopters", - he said. CEO of Rostec added that this refers to Mi-35 vehicles.

    Earlier a military-diplomatic source reported about lifting the embargo on deliveries of military equipment to Pakistan. According to the source, Pakistan was also interested in purchasing Mi-26 helicopters.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:28 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia has lifted the embargo on deliveries of weapons and military equipment to Pakistan.

    There was never any Russian arms embargo on Pakistan . Russia supplied the Mi 17 helos to Pakistan . Consequently following the Indian example Pakistan too converted the Mi 17s into gunships .

    Apart from that Pakistan has been getting Russian equipment ranging from aero-engines for its JF-17 fighters being produced with China to thinly-disguised Chinese variants of Russian radars, guns and the like .

    Pakistan is the most attractive arms market in the world . It is also a [major non ] NATO member ( MNNA) . But there are a couple of questions that need to be answered :

    (1) will Russia be able to sell to Pakistan at a price lower than that of China ? For example , China is pitching the Z 19 against the Mi 35 or Pakistan intends to purchase the [Saturn] AL-31F powerplant for the Chengdu J-10B . So can Russia sell these engines to Pakistan at a price less than what the Chinese are charging ?

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140604/DEFREG01/306040023/Analysts-Welcome-Russian-Decision-Arms-Sales-Pakistan

    (2) will the US still provide the finance if Pakistan opts for Russian weapons instead of "NATO weapons" ?

    (3) will Saudi Arabia be willing to bankroll Pakistan if they decide to purchase Russian weapons ?

    Pakistan rarely pays for the weapons it receives . It gets the money from the Saudis or the Americans and subsequently pays the Chinese with it .



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    Post  medo Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:14 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia has lifted the embargo on deliveries of weapons and military equipment to Pakistan.

    There was never any Russian arms embargo on Pakistan . Russia supplied the Mi 17 helos to Pakistan . Consequently following the Indian example Pakistan too converted the Mi 17s into gunships .

    Apart from that Pakistan has been getting Russian equipment ranging from aero-engines for its JF-17 fighters being produced with China to thinly-disguised Chinese variants of Russian radars, guns and the like .

    Pakistan is the most attractive arms market in the world . It is also a [major non ] NATO member ( MNNA) . But there are a couple of questions that need to be answered :

    (1) will Russia be able to sell to Pakistan at a price lower than that of China ? For example , China is pitching the Z 19 against the Mi 35 or Pakistan intends to purchase the [Saturn] AL-31F powerplant for the Chengdu J-10B . So can Russia sell these engines to Pakistan at a price less than what the Chinese are charging ?


    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140604/DEFREG01/306040023/Analysts-Welcome-Russian-Decision-Arms-Sales-Pakistan

    (2) will the US still provide the finance if Pakistan opts for Russian weapons instead of "NATO weapons" ?

    (3) will Saudi Arabia be willing to bankroll Pakistan if they decide to purchase Russian weapons ?

    Pakistan rarely pays for the weapons it receives . It gets the money from the Saudis or the Americans and subsequently pays the Chinese with it .




    Here is an interesting point. Saudi Arabia pay for weapons purchase from Russia for both Egypt and Pakistan. Interesting is, that main talks and negotiations with Saudi Arabia goes through China, who want, that Saudi Arabia also sell its oil for Juans. Something big is happening behind the scene as Iran and KSA are the larger oil and gas suppliers in ME, who could sell oil and gas in other currencies than USD and Libya and Iraq are sinking in new civil wars, which could practically blocked their oil supplies. EU will be even more dependent on Russian supplies and the fall of USD will also bring to fall of EURO. I hope India as member of BRICS group is close to this Russian-Chinese strategy against US empire.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:59 pm

    Sujoy wrote:

    (1) will Russia be able to sell to Pakistan at a price lower than that of China ? For example , China is pitching the Z 19 against the Mi 35 or Pakistan intends to purchase the [Saturn] AL-31F powerplant for the Chengdu J-10B . So can Russia sell these engines to Pakistan at a price less than what the Chinese are charging ?

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140604/DEFREG01/306040023/Analysts-Welcome-Russian-Decision-Arms-Sales-Pakistan


    I think pakis still haven't got J-10s, have they?

    And with embargo lifted, it would actually make a lot of sense for them to buy Mig-29s, since they use the same engines as jf-17.
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:09 am

    medo wrote:Something big is happening behind the scene as Iran and KSA are the larger oil and gas suppliers in ME, who could sell oil and gas in other currencies than USD and Libya and Iraq are sinking in new civil wars, which could practically blocked their oil supplies. EU will be even more dependent on Russian supplies and the fall of USD will also bring to fall of EURO .


    China, Russia and India are emerging as the alternative powers for the Arabs who appear to be particularly unhappy by three recent developments — (a) US' declining energy dependence, (b) US disinterest in Syria and (c) US' potential toleration of a nuclear-capable Iran. The Sunni-dominated Arab states including Saudi Arabia is deeply apprehensive of Shia-dominated Iran’s influence in the region. Saudi Arabia's goal is to encircle Iran in the region, weaken its allies and stopping its regional aspirations. If this Saudi policy has to become successful it needs to wean away huge countries like India & China that have a massive demand for Iranian oil . Iran used to be the number two oil supplier to India, while India was Iran’s number two market. However, since 2011, Iran has steadily lost this position. In January 2014, Indian imports of Iranian oil were 35 per cent less than in the corresponding period last year. Saudi Arabia has already succeeded in forcing Pakistan to opt out of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline. Now Saudi Arabia is trying hard to wean away India from Iran .


    etaepsilonk wrote:I think pakis still haven't got J-10s, have they?

    No , the powerplant issue is holding things up . Pakis & Chinese want the AL 31F .

    etaepsilonk wrote:it would actually make a lot of sense for them to buy Mig-29s, since they use the same engines as jf-17.

    Again , question is can Russia sell the Mig 29 at a price less than that of the Chengdu J-10B ? In any case most of the weapons that the Chengdu J-10B carries are Chinese copy of Russian ( like R 77 ) and Israeli ( like Python 3 ) weapons .

    Remember the Chinese even stole a march over the Americans by selling the CH-3 UCAV to Pakistan for < $1 million whereas the Predator cost > $30 million .
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:23 am

    Russia to sell Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan
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    Post  type055 Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:26 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    medo wrote:Something big is happening behind the scene as Iran and KSA are the larger oil and gas suppliers in ME, who could sell oil and gas in other currencies than USD and Libya and Iraq are sinking in new civil wars, which could practically blocked their oil supplies. EU will be even more dependent on Russian supplies and the fall of USD will also bring to fall of EURO .


    China, Russia and India are emerging as the alternative powers for the Arabs who appear to be particularly unhappy by three recent developments  — (a) US' declining energy dependence, (b) US disinterest in Syria and (c) US' potential toleration of a nuclear-capable Iran. The Sunni-dominated Arab states including Saudi Arabia is deeply apprehensive of Shia-dominated Iran’s influence in the region. Saudi Arabia's  goal is to encircle Iran in the region, weaken its allies and stopping its regional aspirations. If this Saudi policy has to become successful it needs to wean away huge countries like India & China  that have a massive demand for Iranian oil . Iran used to be the number two oil supplier to India, while India was Iran’s number two market. However, since 2011, Iran has steadily lost this position. In January 2014, Indian imports of Iranian oil were 35 per cent less than in the corresponding period last year. Saudi Arabia  has already succeeded in forcing Pakistan to opt out of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline. Now Saudi Arabia is trying hard to wean away India from Iran .


    etaepsilonk wrote:I think pakis still haven't got J-10s, have they?

    No , the powerplant issue is holding things up . Pakis & Chinese want the AL 31F .

    etaepsilonk wrote:it would actually make a lot of sense for them to buy Mig-29s, since they use the same engines as jf-17.

    Again , question is can Russia sell the Mig 29 at a price less than that of the Chengdu J-10B ? In any case most of the weapons that the Chengdu J-10B carries are Chinese copy of Russian ( like R 77 )  and Israeli ( like Python 3 ) weapons .

    Remember the Chinese even stole a march over the Americans by selling the CH-3 UCAV to Pakistan for < $1 million whereas the Predator cost > $30 million .


    stolen?? just because your country can build nothing, and become the world largest weapon dumping market?? If you say china is good at copy weapon system , India even has no ability to build any weapon system.

    you country even import bullets , and no one want to invent wheels twice! Chinese people never treat India as threat even competitor, why most india keep talking shit
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:54 am

    Again , question is can Russia sell the Mig 29 at a price less than that of the Chengdu J-10B ?

    If all that mattered was price then Pakistan should buy MiG-15s.
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    Post  iraqidabab Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:50 pm

    A Pakistani newspaper has reported that Russia has agreed to supply Pakistan with Mi-28 helicopter gunships and 48 MI-35 helicopters.

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    Source : Mi-28 For Pakistan - Russia Agrees



    ( btw I can't translate it as I can't read Urdu )
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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:31 pm

    Pakistan to Buy Russian Mi-35 Helicopter Gunships - President to Sputnik
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    Post  Viktor Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:48 pm

    4 Mi-35 for Pakistan

    04/17/15 PAKISTAN WILL RECEIVE FOUR ATTACK HELICOPTERS MI-35M

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    Post  type055 Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:45 am

    Viktor wrote:4 Mi-35 for Pakistan

    04/17/15 PAKISTAN WILL RECEIVE FOUR ATTACK HELICOPTERS MI-35M


    where is the “nice”?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:51 am

    The serbs shot down several western drones with Hinds... in fact with men in the back of Hinds firing PKMs to shoot down the slow flying UAVs... I would expect the 23mm nose mounted cannon of the Hind would be devastating against a drone plus its new night and all weather capable systems will make it a very useful tool for COIN ops and anti terrorist ops.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:50 pm

    type055 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:4 Mi-35 for Pakistan

    04/17/15 PAKISTAN WILL RECEIVE FOUR ATTACK HELICOPTERS MI-35M


    where is the “nice”?

    Very Happy ... only 4 but yeah its a "nice"
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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:25 pm

    "Rosoboronexport" to discuss with Pakistan the supply of Mi-35


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:25 pm

    George1 wrote:This could be a setback for the relations with India however

    "Rosoboronexport" to discuss with Pakistan the supply of Mi-35

    Both are being encouraged to join SCO, so in a years time we will know for sure if that's the case.

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