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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:11 am

    The Marker robotic platform was tested as a short-range air defense system

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    Wheeled platform "Marker". Photo illustrative

    The Russian robotic complex "Marker", tested as a short-range air defense system, has demonstrated success in the fight against small drones. Platform tests were recognized as successful.

    To use the "Marker" as an air defense system, a small-arms-grenade launcher module and a radar were installed on it, capable of recognizing air targets with a small dispersion area. During the tests, the radar detected the target, transmitted its coordinates to the module, after which it was destroyed by the fire of a regular machine gun. At the same time, the shooting module, after receiving the coordinates of the target, independently tracked it using optics. It is emphasized that the "Marker" can be trained using modern neural networks and hit targets even faster.

    Another test took place at the trap shooting range, where the robot shot down 80% of the launched skeet with a carbine.

    As noted by the executive director of NPO "Android Technique" Evgeny Dudorov, whose words are quoted RIA News, the Marker robotic complex can be used as short-range air defense to neutralize drones, including a swarm of drones.

    The beginning of tests of the robotic platform "Marker", created jointly by the Foundation for Advanced Research and NPO "Android Technology", was announced in early March 2019. The platform is designed in a modular fashion. The ultimate goal of the Marker project is to create a fully autonomous complex capable of independently performing a wide range of tasks.

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:34 pm

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    Marker with new antenna on top

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    Post  limb Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:31 pm

    Why are there no such drones used in Ukraine.
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    Post  Regular Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:28 am

    limb wrote:Why are there no such drones used in Ukraine.

    Not supplied to military forces in operation, probably no usage concept worked out still. Robots are being used in anti-terrorist work and quite widely.
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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:19 am

    They will for sure come to patrol roads in captured areas very soon.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:01 am

    Russia is apparently about to start testing a T-72 teletank, the 'Shturm'
    https://www.c4isrnet.com/unmanned/robotics/2020/01/11/russian-army-will-develop-of-storm-robot-tank-and-ally/
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    There were experiments with a T-72 robotized unmanned platform in the 2000s


    There are plenty of T-72 chassis in Russia that can be converted

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:56 pm

    Another test took place at the trap shooting range, where the robot shot down 80% of the launched skeet with a carbine.

    80% is pretty good with a rifle, normally skeets are shot with shotguns which limits the useful shooting distance to 30-40m at most.

    With carbines you should be able to hit targets at much greater distances, but the risks to nearby friendly or neutral forces would be rather high.

    The wheeled vehicle shown above with the new radar seems to use a 30mm grenade launcher... using the same radio command detonation system as used in 30mm cannon rounds but with a front mounted warhead with fragments designed to shower a cone area in pellets would be an excellent anti drone weapon... fire the round to get close to the target and detonate it as it approaches to shower the drone in high speed fragments would be the most efficient way of dealing with light drones.

    Using the new 40mm grenades would increase the HE and fragmentation capacity further, and a simple command detonation system could be used across the board on all platforms because airborne explosions are vastly more effective than impact explosions.

    The difference between the airburst 40mm under barrel Russian grenade and the impact grenades is enormous... the impact grenades tend to cause leg and lower body injuries, but the airburst grenades tend to cause head and upper body injuries that are more life threatening.


    Russia is apparently about to start testing a T-72 teletank, the 'Shturm'

    Makes sense, though in that video it appeared that it was roboticised by adding equipment inside the tank to operate the controls remotely... it might make sense to just take all that stuff out and replace it with digital stuff that does the same thing directly, although the way it is now you could climb in and take over yourself, if you modified it to be remote control only you could make it lighter and modify the inside to make it rather more damage resistent.

    With the older gen vehicles with ammo all through the crew compartment a penetrating hit was dangerous if it hit crew or ammo, but revision of ammo storage means tank penetrations are now largely only dangerous if they directly injure or kill crew. Take the crew out and you have to go for ammo or mechanical damage which is not as easy as it sounds.

    If you remove the crew you can double the capacity of the under floor autoloader because the floor can be made higher... sort of the opposite of what they did with the Black Eagle where they removed underfloor ammo and put it all in a turret bustle.

    I think the front grader blade makes sense but also cover it in ERA as well... no sense in making it easy to destroy... and I would add roof mounted MG turrets too...

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    There were experiments with a T-72 robotized unmanned platform in the 2000s


    There are plenty of T-72 chassis in Russia that can be converted

    Probably would serve as wingmen to the premium Armata MBTs. The Shturms 'storm' ahead of their manned counterparts, attracting aggro while the Armatas in overwatch take their sweet time blasting anything the drones miss. The electronic interfacing of the T-14s should lend itself to remote tele-operation of these drones as well so Armata crews can take over the drones, fight as recklessly as they can while taking notes on enemy disposition and if the tank is knocked out they can just roll on over with their superior armor and redo the engagement with their advantages intact and having done damage.

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    Post  Hole Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:33 pm

    The conversion will be easy because of the autoloader. Big thanks to the inventors!

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri May 13, 2022 9:35 pm

    One thing they could do is remove the main gun, add multiple autocannon with compartmentalised ammunition multiple APUs and a lot of NERA modules to make the survivability rather ludicrous.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 14, 2022 5:01 pm

    One thing they could do is remove the main gun, add multiple autocannon with compartmentalised ammunition multiple APUs and a lot of NERA modules to make the survivability rather ludicrous.

    You mean a remote control Terminator?

    I would think roof mounted remote weapons like MGs and grenade launchers would be effective but as it is likely only ammo present in the main gun autoloader could be used by the vehicle without human intervention a modification of the underfloor autoloader would be useful to perhaps add another layer of ammo and propellent stubs so no room for people any more but 44 rounds ready to use...

    Of course perhaps a turret bustle that can be ejected if it catches fire could be used for HE rounds that might add another 31 rounds ready to fire... but then you have to ask what the vehicle is going to be really used for... if it is mine clearing and demolition then perhaps taking the 125mm gun out and replacing it with a low velocity 100mm rifled gun of the BMP-3... the 1 piece ammo could probably be loaded in each ammo cell so 44 rounds could be carried in the existing autoloader...

    Maybe an APFSDS round could be designed for it like the 57mm grenade launcher round for penetrating medium armour targets... it could be super thick and contain a HE frag section and be for penetrating light bunkers and lighter armoured vehicles and trench positions and then exploding inside.

    It would not need to be made of exotic or expensive metal because its penetration would not need to be in metres of armour... a subcalibre 60mm penetrator with a tail fuse and a HE core moving at a modest speed of maybe 1,200m/s or so from a quite long barrel ( say 50% longer than the BMP-3 barrel...).
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat May 14, 2022 8:06 pm

    GarryB wrote: perhaps taking the 125mm gun out and replacing it with a low velocity 100mm rifled gun of the BMP-3... the 1 piece ammo could probably be loaded in each ammo cell so 44 rounds could be carried in the existing autoloader...

    Maybe an APFSDS round could be designed for it like the 57mm grenade launcher round for penetrating medium armour targets... it could be super thick and contain a HE frag section and be for penetrating light bunkers and lighter armoured vehicles and trench positions and then exploding inside.

    It would not need to be made of exotic or expensive metal because its penetration would not need to be in metres of armour... a subcalibre 60mm penetrator with a tail fuse and a HE core moving at a modest speed of maybe 1,200m/s or so from a quite long barrel ( say 50% longer than the BMP-3 barrel...).

    Interesting that you mention that, because the west seems to be taking interest in "medium" armored vehicles these days. A subcalibre APHE round would be extraordinarily effective against them.

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    Post  GarryB Sat May 14, 2022 11:43 pm

    The gun equivalent of the Bulat variant of the Kornet.

    Many vehicles are not as heavily armoured as MBTs, so guns like 57mm guns make sense but a version of the 100mm round would be interesting in the same way as a telescopic round for the same reason.

    Both have huge HE projectiles with small propellent charges which makes them great against soft area targets for which HE fragments are very effective... but the shape and proportion of the round means if you replace the huge heavy HE bomb with a small relatively light dart shape with the volume of the HE round replaced with propellent you get a good APFSDS round too.

    All you need is a barrel able to take the pressure...

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