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Firebird wrote:Very disturbing. Its starting to look like S Ossetia. Utter scum backed by Americans. An armed far right militia is taking over sections of the army. I really wouldn't be surprised that we could see heavy Russian arnamanents rolling into the East AND Central Ukraine within 24 hrs.
These monsters are exactly the same as Sahkashvilli.
Everyone KNOWS what sort of scum is infesting Kiev at the moment.
Why should lives be lost before Moscow intervenes?
I don't understand..
Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
Vann7 wrote:Unfortunately i don't see much support.. in the eastern regions.. is like only 3% of the population is active protesting. So thats the major problem i see lack of support.. If there was overwhelming support not only civilians but enough Ukrainian armed forces for Russia intervention then things will be different.
The way i see it.. the best play for Russia is to remain away directly from the conflict.. and indirectly support them with weapons to push back the ukrainians neo nazi army. Give them Kornet -E missiles or any other cheaper but with similar range and manpads (with the first missiles with a significantly reduce explosive charge) only enough to damage the helicopters but not kill anyone and push them away of the conflict. Time is NOT in the side of Kiev.. by the end of year when people start losing their jobs and ukraine goes bankrupt ,and their money in banks is worth of toilet paper.. people will be on their knees ,pleading RUssia to take them back.
The problem of Russia interfering or invading now is that a direct war with Ukraine will break any possibility of Russia having ever good relations with Ukrainian citizens ,even with the ones that used to be neutral to Russia ,aside of the problems with Belarus that is against the federalization and the armed uprising.. So Russia could lost a lot by invading relations with their former soviet republics.. Not interfering directly however have the big risk of sacrificing the collapse of the insurrection Pro Russia and many hundreds of Russians killed. Is kind of dam if you do and damned if not. Economically speaking the best option is wait and just arm Pro Russian local forces with limited undercover support.
I really consider Russia policy in Ukraine a total failure.. they only got lucky in Crimea. Putin should have known Ukraine was on the hit list to be overtaken by a coup by US..and that their nation security will be at risk after that.
And more worried after the arab spring began in 2011 ,full knowing that US was behind it. Even more fully knowing that US NGOS were operating in Ukraine brainwashing them for more than a decade. There is no excuse for Russia for having at least 10,000 -20,000 special forces local forces inside Ukraine main land loyal to Russia and have that little army sleep and activate them in case a major coup is repeated again.. Hopefully Russia have a plan other than invading, because if that is their plan ,then definitively they have learned nothing and wasted their time all this years in Ukraine.. and their policy needs to change to one of more interference in the countries they understand US is using its money against them. I will not be surprised if many of the forces attacking the eastern zones in Ukraine loyal to Russia are americans blackwater mercenary thugs. But also with the help of many western Ukrainians neo nazis loyal to Kiev.
Vann7 wrote:Unfortunately i don't see much support.. in the eastern regions.. is like only 3% of the population is active protesting. So thats the major problem i see lack of support.. If there was overwhelming support not only civilians but enough Ukrainian armed forces for Russia intervention then things will be different.
The way i see it.. the best play for Russia is to remain away directly from the conflict.. and indirectly support them with weapons to push back the ukrainians neo nazi army. Give them Kornet -E missiles or any other cheaper but with similar range and manpads (with the first missiles with a significantly reduce explosive charge) only enough to damage the helicopters but not kill anyone and push them away of the conflict. Time is NOT in the side of Kiev.. by the end of year when people start losing their jobs and ukraine goes bankrupt ,and their money in banks is worth of toilet paper.. people will be on their knees ,pleading RUssia to take them back.
The problem of Russia interfering or invading now is that a direct war with Ukraine will break any possibility of Russia having ever good relations with Ukrainian citizens ,even with the ones that used to be neutral to Russia ,aside of the problems with Belarus that is against the federalization and the armed uprising.. So Russia could lost a lot by invading relations with their former soviet republics.. Not interfering directly however have the big risk of sacrificing the collapse of the insurrection Pro Russia and many hundreds of Russians killed. Is kind of dam if you do and damned if not. Economically speaking the best option is wait and just arm Pro Russian local forces with limited undercover support.
I really consider Russia policy in Ukraine a total failure.. they only got lucky in Crimea. Putin should have known Ukraine was on the hit list to be overtaken by a coup by US..and that their nation security will be at risk after that.
And more worried after the arab spring began in 2011 ,full knowing that US was behind it. Even more fully knowing that US NGOS were operating in Ukraine brainwashing them for more than a decade. There is no excuse for Russia for having at least 10,000 -20,000 special forces local forces inside Ukraine main land loyal to Russia and have that little army sleep and activate them in case a major coup is repeated again.. Hopefully Russia have a plan other than invading, because if that is their plan ,then definitively they have learned nothing and wasted their time all this years in Ukraine.. and their policy needs to change to one of more interference in the countries they understand US is using its money against them. I will not be surprised if many of the forces attacking the eastern zones in Ukraine loyal to Russia are americans blackwater mercenary thugs. But also with the help of many western Ukrainians neo nazis loyal to Kiev.
arpakola wrote:The self defence forces of east must transfer the war to the west Ukraine..
there are many ways to kick the soft belly of Kiev.
They must feel unsecure to stop atacking the east
KIEV, April 24 (RIA Novosti) – Unknown attackers on Wednesday night broke into the city council building in the southeastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, controlled by pro-federalization supporters, injuring several people, a local news portal has reported.
“Five men aged between 18 and 28 were injured during an attempt to storm the city council,” the report said. The men suffered multiple injuries, including to the head, and sought medical assistance.
Three of them have been admitted to a local injury care center, and two have refused to be hospitalized.
The representatives of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, declared on April 7, said they have repelled the attempt to storm the building.
US State Dept and NYT ‘photo evidence’ case collapses
Pictures presented by Washington and Kiev as evidence of Russia's involvement in Ukraine, and published on Monday by the New York Times, were unverified and in fact contradicted the claims they were to support.
The US State department acknowledged the error and the New York Times back-tracked on its Monday story, which claimed “photographs and descriptions from eastern Ukraine endorsed by the Obama administration … suggest that many of the green men are indeed Russian military and intelligence forces”.
The proof was this particular picture with an inscription “Group photograph taken in Russia”.
Freelance photographer Maxim Dondyuk took the photo.
“It was taken in Slavyansk [Ukraine],” he told NYT over the phone. “Nobody asked my permission to use it.”
The picture was amongst others Kiev gave the OSCE mission to Ukraine to ‘prove’ Russian involvement in the massive unrest gripping the Donetsk region.
The State Department repeated the claims, citing ‘confirmation’ of Moscow involvement.
“We see in the photos that have been again in international media, on Twitter, publicly available is that there are individuals who visibly appear to be tied to Russia. We’ve said that publicly a countless number of times,” Jen Psaki, State Dept spokeswoman said.
The New York Times eventually published a climbdown Wednesday - ‘Scrutiny Over Photos Said to Tie Russia Units to Ukraine’, where it admitted failing to properly verify the Kiev photo dossier.
The NYT also cited the State Dept’s Psaki admitting “the assertion that the photograph in the American briefing materials had been taken in Russia was incorrect”. She explained the picture was only part of a draft packet that wasn’t used by Kerry at the talks.
Psaki then claimed to have other evidence connecting “the Russians and the armed militants” in eastern Ukraine but would not provide details.
http://rt.com/news/154548-pictures-russian-troops-false/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
Vann7 wrote:The Real revolution will begin as soon not even police and most government do not receive a salary and are unemployed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f7hqwEhlm0
Another possibility Russia can explore is collapsing Ukraine economy ,not trading with them.. or if they trade that only do it with eastern regions and this one pay nothing to kiev. Ukraine maintains its operation of their police and army thanks to US and NATO funding. What will the Ukraine army do when no longer they paid or have money even to eat? Same with police when no longer paid? 2-3 months without payment will do the trick. It will force US to keep funding Ukraine. And people regardless of size will rebel against Ukraine junta.
medo wrote:This is mostly ukrainian internal conflict, not a conflict between Russia and Ukraine as West want to show, so it have to stay inside Ukraine for Ukrainians to deal with it. It must become massive rebellion of southeastern regions against Kiev junta before Russia could more actively involve in it politically at first and than if needed as pacifying force. Massive rebellion will also bring Ukrainian army to make a decision, where they stand in this internal conflict. With their citizens or with junta. Maybe army will than stand with citizens and throw the junta as Egyptian army throw Mursi.
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