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    Post  arpakola on Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:01 pm

    Yatsenyuk showing his home. Note that he speaks demonstratively at Mova, meanwhile his daugther answers in clear russian, despite he attempting to speak before her with rournalists on Mova, seeminly not knowing the language indicating at home, they all speak russian.


    Similarly Yarosh and Poroshenko when not speaking to crowd speak Russian too
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:23 pm

    Conspiracy theory mode on:
    So he might be a Russian agent because he is so fucking useless anyway that I become suspicious that can't be really THAT BAD!
    So his mission is to give excuses for Russia to suck Ukraine
    Anyway, conspiracy theory mode off  Very Happy
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    Post  arpakola on Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:30 pm

    Exceptional discipline and morale in Ukrainian army. 93rd mech. brigade, april 21st.


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    Post  arpakola on Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:00 pm

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    Post  arpakola on Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:46 pm

    There's a big strike(miners) going on in Krasnodon:




    В Краснодоне Луганской области митингующие захватили здание ПАО «Краснодонуголь». Об этом сообщает «Луганская гвардия» в социальной сети «ВКонтакте». «Митингующими было захвачено здание ПАО "Краснодонуголь", был поставлен на колени замгендиректора по персоналу А. Пимкин. На 23.00 (22.04.2014. - Полемика) создаются баррикады. Требования: поднять зарплату и отменить санкции к работникам. Туда выехали пожарные расчеты. Подъезды к зданию были заграждены служебными автобусами, но они уехали, чтоб забрать работников с предприятий и отвезти людей по домам, но шахтеры настроены на забастовку»
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:21 pm

    arpakola wrote:There's a big strike(miners) going on in Krasnodon:




    В Краснодоне Луганской области митингующие захватили здание ПАО «Краснодонуголь». Об этом сообщает «Луганская гвардия» в социальной сети «ВКонтакте». «Митингующими было захвачено здание ПАО "Краснодонуголь", был поставлен на колени замгендиректора по персоналу А. Пимкин. На 23.00 (22.04.2014. - Полемика) создаются баррикады. Требования: поднять зарплату и отменить санкции к работникам. Туда выехали пожарные расчеты. Подъезды к зданию были заграждены служебными автобусами, но они уехали, чтоб забрать работников с предприятий и отвезти людей по домам, но шахтеры настроены на забастовку»
    Translation:
    In Krasnodon Luhansk region , protesters occupied the building PJSC " Krasnodonugol ." On it informs " Lugansk Guard" in a social network "VKontakte" . " The rally was the seizure of the bank" Krasnodonugol "was brought to its knees deputy director for personnel A. Pimkin . At 23.00 ( 22.04.2014 . - Controversy ) created barricades . Requirements: higher wages and lift the sanctions to employees. There checked fire brigades . Entrances to the building obstructed official buses, but they are left to pick up the workers and enterprises to take people home , but the miners set to strike "

    Looks like these workers finally read that IMF agreement.  thumbsup 
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:50 pm

    First of all, let me greet you guys with:

    Христос воскресе!
    Χριστός ἀνέστη!
    Christ is Risen!
    ქრისტე აღსდგა!
    Hristos a înviat!


    Haven't had the chance to visit here these past few days, since I was out of town, celebrating the Passover(Easter) at a pretty remote place.
    ...and honestly...I'm afraid to ask, but here goes:

    What exactly is going on in Ukraine?

    Reading RT.com, things seem to be really heating up!
    Any significant developments lately?

    Any info is much appreciated!
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:14 pm

    Nothing?!
    Not a single link?
    C'mon guys... I'll stop asking after this, promise... Smile 
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    Post  Regular on Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:43 pm

    Hope You had happy Easter. Not much is going on.

    Geneva treaty is leading to nowhere.
    Ukrainian "politician" Vladimir Rybak was found dead couple days ago. He and other guy was gutted and thrown in the river with a backpacks with sand not far away from Slovyansk.
    Here is the video of him being detained. Judging by his manner he well deserved it.
    https://youtu.be/t2UhOkYGBL0

    Oh and Simon Ostrovski, that urod with massive eyebrows who works for Vice was detained cause he had Israel passport.
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    Hope they do it;) He is literally asking to be put down. Last time I've seen his video Simon was biased as hell and started to check protester passports and blame Russia for everything.

    Apart from that NATO is swarming in Black sea, even the French bringing their Duiplex.
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:51 pm

    Regular wrote:Hope You had happy Easter. Not much is going on.

    Geneva treaty is leading to nowhere.
    Ukrainian "politician" Vladimir Rybak was found dead couple days ago. He and other guy was gutted and thrown in the river with a backpacks with sand not far away from Slovyansk.
    Here is the video of him being detained. Judging by his manner he well deserved it.
    https://youtu.be/t2UhOkYGBL0

    Oh and Simon Ostrovski, that urod with massive eyebrows who works for Vice was detained cause he had Israel passport.
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    Hope they do it;) He is literally asking to be put down. Last time I've seen his video Simon was biased as hell and started to check protester passports and blame Russia for everything.

    Apart from that NATO is swarming in Black sea, even the French bringing their Duiplex.

    Thanks Regular!
    Can't say that 'any news is good news' applies here really, but good to be up to date on what's going on.
    +1

    P.S. I did have a good Easter (still do, as a matter of fact).
    Thanks
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    Post  Regular on Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:08 pm

    There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:21 pm

    Regular wrote:There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

    Can't read Kraut, but I trust you.
    Thing is though, that I don't believe Americans to be cowards - quite the contrary, but they seem to have awaken to the possibility that: maybe, just maybe - they're fighting meaningless wars that serve not their nation, but their elite...
    If it were me, I'd probably behave in the same way.
    Thanks for sharing though.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:05 pm

    Regular wrote:There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

    Sounds like the biggest pile of crap I have ever read Very Happy .
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:08 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Regular wrote:There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

    Sounds like the biggest pile of crap I have ever read Very Happy.

    Really...EVER?!
    You must stay away from western media than...
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    Post  Intrigado on Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:05 pm

    Regular wrote:There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

    Sounds like Radio Yerevan or something similar.  Laughing A bit of Russian humour, I suppose.
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    Post  macedonian on Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:29 pm

    An interesting read it seems (sorry, Ive read the first few lines only)...

    Aj wrote: Marx's last stand: Eastern Ukraine
    What is unfolding in Eastern Ukraine has all the makings of a classic Marxist drama.


    by Vladimir Golstein

    AJ wrote:Expansion of Western capital

    What for Russians might appear as "NATO expansion", or for the West, "the march of democracy" is, in fact, the expansion of Western capital, which needs the guarantees of Western legal and political system to function. Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich resisted this pull towards the West not because of his loyalty to Russia, but because the Western system would have been too complex and cumbersome for him to steal on the scale that he got used to. But once he was removed, it become easier for the pro-Western Kievan economic and political elite to embark on this project, while relying on the loyalty of Ukraine's western regions - the regions that could not wait to leave Russia's influence and try their luck at competing with the Polish plumbers for the few good positions left in Europe. These groups saw the rapid Westernisation as liberation, not as a threat.


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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:37 pm

    China support for Russia  Very Happy 

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:08 am

    Looks like the New York Times was caught engaging in fakery over photo evidence of Russian soldiers in Eastern Ukraine:

    NYT Retracts Russian-Photo Scoop

    Exclusive: After starting a propaganda stampede – with a lead story about photos of Russian troops purportedly in Ukraine – the New York Times admits the pictures really don’t prove much, and one photo was labeled as snapped in Russia when it was really taken in Ukraine, writes Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    Two days after the New York Times led its editions with a one-sided article about photos supposedly proving that Russian special forces were behind the popular uprisings in eastern Ukraine, the Times published what you might call a modified, limited retraction.

    Buried deep inside the Wednesday editions (page 9 in my paper), the article by Michael R. Gordon and Andrew E. Kramer – two of the three authors from the earlier story – has this curious beginning: “A collection of photographs that Ukraine says shows the presence of Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, and which the United States cited as evidence of Russian involvement, has come under scrutiny.”

    In the old days of journalism, we used to apply the scrutiny before we published a story on the front page or on any other page, especially if it had implications toward war or peace, whether people would live or die. However, in this case – fitting with the anti-Russian bias that has pervaded the mainstream U.S. press corps – the scrutiny was set aside long enough for this powerful propaganda theme to be put in play and to sweep across the media landscape.

    Only now do we belatedly learn what should have been obvious: the blurry photographs provided by the coup regime in Kiev and endorsed by the Obama administration don’t really prove anything. There were obvious alternative explanations to the photos that were ignored by the Times, such as the possibility that these were military veterans who are no longer associated with the Russian military. Or that some photos are not of the same person.

    And, one of the photos featured by the Times in its Monday lead article, purportedly showing some of the armed men in Russia, was actually shot in the Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, according to Maxim Dondyuk, the freelance photographer who took the picture and posted it on his Instagram account.

    Here is the tortured way the Times treated that embarrassing lapse in its journalistic standards: “A packet of American briefing materials that was prepared for the Geneva meeting asserts that the photograph was taken in Russia. The same men are also shown in photographs taken in Ukraine.

    “Their appearance in both photographs was presented as evidence of Russian involvement in eastern Ukraine. The packet was later provided by American officials to The New York Times, which included that description of the group photograph in an article and caption that was published on Monday. … The dispute over the group photograph cast a cloud over one particularly vivid and highly publicized piece of evidence.”

    Then, after noting Dondyuk’s denial that the photo was snapped in Russia, the Times quoted State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki as acknowledging “that the assertion that the photograph in the American briefing materials had been taken in Russia was incorrect. But she said that the photograph was included in a ‘draft version’ of a briefing packet and that the information has since been corrected.”

    But the misidentification of the photo’s location as Russia, not Ukraine, was not some minor mistake. If the photo was taken in Ukraine, then the whole premise of the claim that these same guys were operating in Russia and have since moved to Ukraine collapses.

    Note how the Times framed this point in its Monday article: “Some of the men photographed in Ukraine have been identified in other photos clearly taken among Russian troops in other settings.” Then, the cutline below the photo read: “Soldiers in a group photo of a reconnaissance unit, which was taken in Russia, were later photographed operating in towns in eastern Ukraine.” There was no attribution. The location is stated as flat fact.

    Still, the Obama administration is not going to let its sloppy mistake get in the way of a potent propaganda theme. According to the Times, Psaki insisted that there was plenty of other classified and unclassified evidence proving that the Russians are behind the eastern Ukrainian uprisings, but none of that supposed evidence was included in Wednesday’s story.

    The problem for the Times, however, is different. Many of the flaws in the photographic evidence were there to see before Monday’s front-page article, but the newspaper was apparently blinded by its anti-Russian bias.

    For instance, the article devoted much attention to the Russian skill at “masking” the presence of its troops, but that claim would seem to be contradicted by these allegedly secret warriors posing for public photos.

    The Times also ignored the fact that the U.S. Special Forces – and indeed the special forces of many other nations – also seek to blend in with the populations by growing beards and wearing local clothing. This is not some unique tactic employed by the nefarious Russians.

    [For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Another NYT-Michael Gordon Special?”]
    Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his new book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com). For a limited time, you also can order Robert Parry’s trilogy on the Bush Family and its connections to various right-wing operatives for only $34. The trilogy includes America’s Stolen Narrative. For details on this offer, click here.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/23/nyt-retracts-russian-photo-scoop/

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:06 am

    Regular wrote:There are some fun news
    Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
    http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

    Technically and with respect to the American reaction, there is nothing surprising here. People are going to see a lot of this and lots bigger events in the years to come.

    Actually, to the uninitiated, many of the events that have already happened in Ukraine would be orders of magnitude more surprising than this.

    The only surprising aspect of this story is for the Russians overtly providing and publicizing this limited demonstration of the peacetime capabilities of the Su-24MP.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:14 am

    Well don't know if its the same information posted before.. but there are a lot of air about the SU-24 encounter with the American
    destroyer.. according to some media info.. apparently the SU-24 jammed the aegis system of the destroyer Donald Cook ,and the warship was unable to make any lock. Supposedly the plane flew over the warship 12 times.. not just a thousand meters away as it was told..  

    according to a deputy director of Russian academy of Sciences.. Pavel Zolotarev.

    "On 10 April, the destroyer Donald Cook ', with Tomahawk cruise missiles, 'on board, was in the neutral waters of the Black Sea. The (American) aim was to perform a bullying action and show of force in the context of Russia's position in relation to the Ukraine and the Crimea. The emergence of American warships in these waters is contrary to the Convention on the character and the time period of the stay of warships of non-riparian countries in the Black Sea. " wrote:



    here is the details of the story..

    http://turnerradionetwork.com/news/445-pat

    If at least the jamming part is true.. it will be a major embarrassing issue indeed for The US aegis system.
    But in real combat practice an attack to a warship is done at beyond visual range with onykx or Kalibr missiles flying below the radar of the aegis and only being spotted no earlier that 40km to 50km.. or 40 secs before impact..  You simply throw 3-4 of them approaching from all sides at same time.. and it will be a guarantee direct hit.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:02 am

    Su-24 jamming AEGIS?

    lol come on.

    It was an ancient reco Su-24 (BSF has some of the oldest ones in the entire VVS), what pray tell did it do this magical jamming with?
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    Post  gaurav on Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:27 am

    Kommissar wrote:
    and it's being swallowed by a massive amount of our population
    . TV spews it, most newspapers(although they're a little less balanced) spew it. We really need a powerful
    left wing government with an untarnished reputation that can
    hold out to all right wing interests.


    Yaah the same happens everywhere , the centrist left wing governments indulge in scams and money laundering and then
    right wing (extreme super power corporates) take up the people support by masking(camouflauging) themselves as peoples choice.

    They ride their luck on the back of corruption and scams. This is their USP and people are too gullible to notice their mask.

    India is the ditto same situation where the religius corporate powers are now coming to power on the basis of
    large scale scams by the centrist government.

    Remember that one reason for Mr Putin's strong show in Ukraine is the un-inhibited resistance of India and China to U.S capital interest.
    Indias support for Putin is much more precious in this case.
    pUTIN himself took the name of India and CHina and no other.
    U,S has literally stopped talking to Indian Foreign ministry because of this support to Russia.

    For some of the EAST European bloggers on this forum.
    This magazine is the most left wing magazine of India and tells the truth in Entirety.

    Great game in Europe

    In his historic address to the Russian Duma on March 18, Putin chose his words carefully: “We are grateful to the
    people of China, whose leaders have always considered the situation in Ukraine and Crimea taking into account the
    full historical and political context, and greatly appreciate India’s reserve and objectivity.” Fulsome praise for
    China, great appreciation for India’s “reserve”. He thanked none other.
    Russia and China have already agreed on hugely well-funded supply lines for Russian energy to Chinese hubs.



    Unfortunately there isn't hope for one so


    Yaah yu are right. My father went to Bulgaria 2-3 times in 80's.. eh .. eh.. Very Happy 
    I will check it up with him and what he feels for Bulgaria.  Cool
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:16 am

    TR1 wrote:Su-24 jamming AEGIS?

    lol come on.

    It was an ancient reco Su-24 (BSF has some of the oldest ones in the entire VVS), what pray tell did it do this magical jamming with?

    Other than "lol come on." What are you basing your opinion on?

    Jamming an Aegis is extremely easy, let alone for a Su-24. Many much more ancient Russian ECM system platforms would jam an Aegis just as easily.

    Actually the jamming bit can never be the interesting part of the story; the interesting part is that the Su-24 should have certainly used corner reflectors, or something like that, to give "Donald Cook" the necessary help to detect it in the first place, so that it can then make a mockery of the ships "capabilities". That's also why it had to make a dozen passes to provide enough help for the ship to detect it.

    Of course, the other aspect that I mentioned in my previous post is interesting too.
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    Post  arpakola on Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:43 am

    Lugansk miners go on general strike


    Pro Russia militia carry a casket bearing Pavel Pavelko, 42, one of three pro Russia militamen killed last Sunday in a shooting by unknown gunmen at a checkpoint, during his funeral procession in Alexandrovska village, 15 kilometers (9.3 miles) from Sloviansk, Ukraine, Tuesday, April 22, 2014. (AP Photo/Manu Brabo)
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    pro Russia militia fire a salvo into the air to honor Pavel Pavelko, 42, one of three pro Russia militamen killed last Sunday in a shooting by unknown gunmen at a checkpoint, during his burial in Alexandrovska village, 15 kilometers (9.3 miles) from Sloviansk, Ukraine, Tuesday, April 22, 2014. (AP Photo/Manu Brabo)
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