The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

sepheronx wrote:And this is why I never want to see Russia obtain any loans from IMF anytime at all.  I think they are better off using reserve funds to build infrastructure and allow privatization of the economy, while holding onto strategic industries, to fend off its slowing economics.  At least people will work, no strings attached, and money stays within.

Now all Rus gov has to do, is get off its ass, and start getting to work on a proper banking system and do a 5 year like plan for heavy and light industries, but get the private individuals to actually involved.

I am sick of hearing about sanctions.  Saying it is for invasion of Crimea, when people wanted it there.  Yet, where are sanctions on US over invasion of Iraq?  I hate this part of the world, people here are so bloody hypocritical to the extreme, that it actually makes me sick.

I really hope Russian government gets off their ass, and instead of looking to do something, they actually do something like actually force build infrastructure, like China does.  It sure works for them.

Hannibal Barca wrote:It is too late and it will take time to explain but in a nutshell IMF goes in a country which is bankrupt and owns money to countries and organizations closely related to the fund and what it does is very simple. Gives barely enough volatility and the guarantees the economy needs to hold on debt instead of defaulting because in case you default there ain't any money for your creditors to get back. So perpetuates a bankrupt condition trying to buy time and exchanging old loans with new ones with harsh guarantees that they will repaid.

Obviously it is well known to everybody that you can't repay your debts, IMF has no illusions. They just step in to take whatever can be taken to cut the loses and restrict the demand for new loans with extreme austerity. It's important to remember here, IMF has no obligations to improve the macroeconomics of the countries where involves   and has no illusions whatsoever. Steps in when you are finished to prevent you from doing the only logical move in your situation aka to default on your debts. Nothing more nothing less. In doing so implements a wide variety of policies and stratagems to manipulate the situation of it's victims which varies little from country to country.

GarryB wrote:I remember watching an interview of a guy that started out as a lawyer who saw the IMF as bad and joining it to try to make it better.

He ended up running the IMF, but realised the head of the IMF is not the head of the IMF and that basically the US is in charge.

What was wrong... in his words... was that in normal law if you give a loan to someone you know wont be able to pay it back then that loan was illegal and when they found they could not pay it back they were not legally required to pay it back.

He wrote a book about how the IMF and world back were used in poor countries to gain control of those countries politically.

Some little third world country they would decide needs an infrastructure upgrade... but instead of building schools and training teachers or building hospitals and training doctors they would build some big hydro electric power station that they could not afford and didn't really need because few people needed electricity.

The result was that that country was now in debt to the IMF and that if there were any votes to be held at the UN or where ever that the countries in debt would vote the way the countries they owed wanted them too as a good will gesture.

Just as often however, the terms for the loan repayment included changing laws that restricted foreign ownership of certain assets, or control of mining or mineral rights.

etaepsilonk wrote:So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?

OSCE wrote:1/4 Comms with military observers in Donetsk region lost.Team not OSCE monitors but sent by States under Vienna Doc on military transparency

magnumcromagnon wrote:Zbig just recently called for arming the Fascist junta in Kiev:



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531940358081088?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304163604579531940358081088.html

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?

The first tranche of the loan for US$3.2B is apparently to be "paid" soon, so that Ukraine can pay its gas debt to Russia (I think). Now people can proceed to connect the dots.

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

AlfaT8 wrote:

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!!   

AlfaT8 wrote:

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!!   

Russia ready to welcome Ukraine’s defense sector specialists — Putin

PETROZAVODSK, April 28. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia is ready to welcome Ukrainian specialists in the military-industrial complex who will wish to move to Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday.
At a session of the Council of Lawmakers, Voronezh region duma speaker Vladimir Klyuchnikov asked for assistance, saying that many Ukrainian specialists working in the defense industry complex were ready to move to Russia.
“If there are volunteers, we will help you - they will get worthy salaries, housing and apartments,” the Russian president said. “You will get all necessary funds from the federal budget,” he added, noting that the process had already started, and some specialists had already moved with their families.
Putin said Ukraine had “high potential” in the sector, and could boast “excellent specialists.” “We will be glad to see them at our enterprises in Russia,” he said.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/729830

NATO to consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems

The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free”

TBILISI, May 01. /ITAR-TASS/. NATO will consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems, the alliance’s special envoy for the South Caucasus and Central Asia James Appathurai said.

The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free” organized by the Atlantic Council in Washington on Thursday, May 1. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen who attended the conference said he would familiarize his colleagues with the offer.
Appathurai said Alasania’s message was straight and clear, and expressed hope that NATO would consider it.
As an organization, NATO has no defensive systems, but its member states have them, and the alliance can arrange for their deployment as it did in Turkey during the conflict in Syria.
Speaking at a joint briefing with Appathurai, Georgian Foreign Minister Maia Panjikidze said the deployment of such defensive systems in her country would be “a timely, considering the situation, and interesting idea which has not been considered yet but which is worth considering”.
“Time will show what specific actions will follow. For the time being, it’s just one of the ideas that is interesting to our partners as well,” she said.
“Now West has to seize the opportunity … to create the reality on the ground by accepting the membership of aspirant countries to NATO by putting some defensive, purely defensive assets in the aspirant countries and predominantly in Georgia,” Alasania said in his presentation the text of which was posted on the Georgian Defense Ministry’s website.
The European Union and NATO are the only organizations Georgia plans to join, Panjikidze said earlier.
NATO reiterated its decision to admit Georgia to the alliance. The NATO leaders agreed “to enhance Georgia’s connectivity with the Alliance, including by further strengthening our political dialogue, practical cooperation, and interoperability with Georgia”.
They continue to encourage and actively support Georgia’s ongoing implementation of all necessary reforms, including democratic, electoral, and judicial reforms, as well as security and defence reforms.
Four states described by NATO as aspirant countries are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, Macedonia and Montenegro.
Georgia’s top officials say that Tbilisi continues the policy of integration with the North Atlantic Alliance and stress that membership in the alliance will help strengthen the country’s independence, security and sovereignty, facilitate its socio-economic and democratic development.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/730180