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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 01, 2014 4:35 am



    Not sure if was posted but is very interesting.. Shows that the Cold war never ended and that NATO expansion
    to Russian borders was going to cause a major conflict with the potential of a world war.




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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu May 01, 2014 7:56 am

    sepheronx wrote:And this is why I never want to see Russia obtain any loans from IMF anytime at all.  I think they are better off using reserve funds to build infrastructure and allow privatization of the economy, while holding onto strategic industries, to fend off its slowing economics.  At least people will work, no strings attached, and money stays within.

    Now all Rus gov has to do, is get off its ass, and start getting to work on a proper banking system and do a 5 year like plan for heavy and light industries, but get the private individuals to actually involved.

    I am sick of hearing about sanctions.  Saying it is for invasion of Crimea, when people wanted it there.  Yet, where are sanctions on US over invasion of Iraq?  I hate this part of the world, people here are so bloody hypocritical to the extreme, that it actually makes me sick.

    I really hope Russian government gets off their ass, and instead of looking to do something, they actually do something like actually force build infrastructure, like China does.  It sure works for them.

    Yes the IMF is a dangerous and fraudulent institution, which should be avoided at all costs!
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    Post  arpakola Thu May 01, 2014 8:04 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:It is too late and it will take time to explain but in a nutshell IMF goes in a country which is bankrupt and owns money to countries and organizations closely related to the fund and what it does is very simple. Gives barely enough volatility and the guarantees the economy needs to hold on debt instead of defaulting because in case you default there ain't any money for your creditors to get back. So perpetuates a bankrupt condition trying to buy time and exchanging old loans with new ones with harsh guarantees that they will repaid.

    Obviously it is well known to everybody that you can't repay your debts, IMF has no illusions. They just step in to take whatever can be taken to cut the loses and restrict the demand for new loans with extreme austerity. It's important to remember here, IMF has no obligations to improve the macroeconomics of the countries where involves   and has no illusions whatsoever. Steps in when you are finished to prevent you from doing the only logical move in your situation aka to default on your debts. Nothing more nothing less. In doing so implements a wide variety of policies and stratagems to manipulate the situation of it's victims which varies little from country to country.

    Russia also partisipates funding the IMF , as many other countries

    IMF borrows money under austerity contitions imposed and with rates around 2-4%. Is a Profitable organisation long term

    Greece is under IMF supervision , but funny enough the Greek default is 150 Billions.. (so far) !!!
    Its  aloose - loose situation and the discusion now .. is that we cannot pay back this money .. so either they have to accept  a deeeeeep haircut of the amount say of 80% or we default officialy and they loose ALL the money.. Off Topic 

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    Yes the IMF is a dangerous and fraudulent institution, which should be avoided at all costs
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 01, 2014 10:08 am

    I remember watching an interview of a guy that started out as a lawyer who saw the IMF as bad and joining it to try to make it better.

    He ended up running the IMF, but realised the head of the IMF is not the head of the IMF and that basically the US is in charge.

    What was wrong... in his words... was that in normal law if you give a loan to someone you know wont be able to pay it back then that loan was illegal and when they found they could not pay it back they were not legally required to pay it back.

    He wrote a book about how the IMF and world back were used in poor countries to gain control of those countries politically.

    Some little third world country they would decide needs an infrastructure upgrade... but instead of building schools and training teachers or building hospitals and training doctors they would build some big hydro electric power station that they could not afford and didn't really need because few people needed electricity.

    The result was that that country was now in debt to the IMF and that if there were any votes to be held at the UN or where ever that the countries in debt would vote the way the countries they owed wanted them too as a good will gesture.

    Just as often however, the terms for the loan repayment included changing laws that restricted foreign ownership of certain assets, or control of mining or mineral rights.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu May 01, 2014 10:23 am

    For a guy living in New Zealand you know too much about IMF,kudos!
    The cure is for BRICS (and possibly other countries as well (Australia?)) to push for their own fund. They should not wait for long, an Eastern fund will give unprecedented soft power.
    Of course when they start they should go full throttle not like the Shanghai Organization who had every potential and compromised by the reluctance of Russia to integrate to something with substance.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Thu May 01, 2014 11:35 am

    So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?
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    Post  Werewolf Thu May 01, 2014 11:54 am

    GarryB wrote:I remember watching an interview of a guy that started out as a lawyer who saw the IMF as bad and joining it to try to make it better.

    He ended up running the IMF, but realised the head of the IMF is not the head of the IMF and that basically the US is in charge.

    What was wrong... in his words... was that in normal law if you give a loan to someone you know wont be able to pay it back then that loan was illegal and when they found they could not pay it back they were not legally required to pay it back.

    He wrote a book about how the IMF and world back were used in poor countries to gain control of those countries politically.

    Some little third world country they would decide needs an infrastructure upgrade... but instead of building schools and training teachers or building hospitals and training doctors they would build some big hydro electric power station that they could not afford and didn't really need because few people needed electricity.

    The result was that that country was now in debt to the IMF and that if there were any votes to be held at the UN or where ever that the countries in debt would vote the way the countries they owed wanted them too as a good will gesture.

    Just as often however, the terms for the loan repayment included changing laws that restricted foreign ownership of certain assets, or control of mining or mineral rights.

    This is also mentioned in "Confession of an Economy Hitman", IMF/FED are making such loan contracts that even highly educated lawyers have a hard time to understand the conditions, for every other person the condition on the first look seem very attractive, but they are made specifically that way that the country can never fullfil this requirements to pay it back. They do it that way in entire African continent, lot of land from banana plantages to gold,diamond,silver,platin and very rare gem mines so the US can make conditions after those countries realize they can not payback the loans, so they either give away resources for free to pay it back or in less lucrative conditions they sell the entire land which than bcomes US soil on contract.

    A completely perverted system run by psychopaths.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu May 01, 2014 12:04 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?

    The first tranche of the loan for US$3.2B is apparently to be "paid" soon, so that Ukraine can pay its gas debt to Russia (I think). Now people can proceed to connect the dots.
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    Post  macedonian Thu May 01, 2014 1:47 pm

    A VERY interesting OSCE tweet

    OSCE wrote:1/4 Comms with military observers in Donetsk region lost.Team not OSCE monitors but sent by States under Vienna Doc on military transparency

    How very interesting.


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    Weren't some people here doubting the veracity of this?
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 01, 2014 6:24 pm



    Apparently the Kiev army will launch tomorrow May 2 ,a new assault to empty the buildings and clear the checkpoints on Donetsk region . So stay tune ,with the difference in hour between Ukraine and west ,the attack could happen in the next 6-10 hours.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_01/Kiev-forces-plan-to-storm-federalist-buildings-in-Southeastern-Ukraine-on-May-2-7982/




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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu May 01, 2014 6:45 pm

    Zbig just recently called for arming the Fascist junta in Kiev:

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    Post  arpakola Thu May 01, 2014 6:50 pm




    violence towards arrested Pavel Gubarev in kiev's court - two thugs are trying to tear off him the St George ribbon.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu May 01, 2014 6:52 pm

    Turchinov does his best impersonation of Marshall Petain:

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    Post  arpakola Thu May 01, 2014 6:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Zbig just recently called for arming the Fascist junta in Kiev:

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    Ukrainian special forces plan to start storming the buildings and roadblocks controlled by self-defense forces in the southeast of the country on May 2, a source in Ukraine's General Staff of the Armed Forces said Thursday.

    The special operation in the region, formerly led by acting Interior Minister Arseny Avakov, will be now headed by acting Security Service chief Valentin Nalivaychenko, the source said.
    "The [acting] interior minister has been suspended from controlling the operation by a decision of [interim president Alexander] Turchynov," the source told RIA Novosti, adding that the decision has been made amid the failure of the first stage of the operation.
    The source said Nalivaychenko has organized the training of Right Sector special battalions by the security service instructors after talks with the leader of the far-right group, Dmitro Yarosh, who is charged in Russia with inciting terrorism.
    The storming will take place particularly in the eastern Ukraine's Lugansk region, the source said adding that the security chief has been tasked with regaining control of the region by May 3 at any cost.
    "For this aim, the SBU chief has now received all the necessary powers," the source said, adding that Turchynov is discussing the possibility of the military operation with Yarosh.
    Ukrainian authorities launched a special operation earlier this month to crack down on the protests, involving military forces.
    Moscow denounced the decision as dangerous.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_01/Kiev-forces-plan-to-storm-federalist-buildings-in-Southeastern-Ukraine-on-May-2-7982/
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu May 01, 2014 6:58 pm

    western media reports that Kiev Junta now signed a decree for forced conscription, anybody has any other sources that confirm this?.

    heres the link, but its in Dutch language.

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22576165/__Oekraine_voert_dienstplicht_in__.html
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    Post  etaepsilonk Thu May 01, 2014 7:24 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?

    The first tranche of the loan for US$3.2B is apparently to be "paid" soon, so that Ukraine can pay its gas debt to Russia (I think). Now people can proceed to connect the dots.

    Oh, I see, thanks.




    To airbornewolf:
    "western media reports that Kiev Junta now signed a decree for forced conscription, anybody has any other sources that confirm this?."

    Yep, looks like that's the case indeed.



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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu May 01, 2014 7:28 pm

    NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
    NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

    The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
    http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/
    OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!! Shocked  attack
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu May 01, 2014 7:44 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
    NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

    The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
    http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/
    OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!! Shocked  attack

    oh yeah, of course its another american that thinks the Western european NATO members have no own opinion about all of this.... its just hot air like usual from these yanks clinging on to their little crumbling empire.

    the E.U needs Russia to survive, and Russia needs the E.U energy market. experts know it, huge company's in european know it, and they definatly told politicians not to go mess around with Russia if they want the E.U to survive.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Thu May 01, 2014 7:47 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
    NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

    The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
    http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/
    OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!! Shocked  attack

    Thats the most stupid thing NATO can say right now!!!

    Edit: yes i fully agree with airbornewolf it is like europe isnt having a own opinion!
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    Post  arpakola Thu May 01, 2014 11:29 pm

    http://www.discussionworldforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4766

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    NATO was always an enemy of Russia ,there is nothing new. Difference is now they being less hypocrites and not hiding it..The goal NATO was created was not to fight terrorism.. everyone knows that.. but to counter Russia. But not all NATO countries are Russian enemies only the ones that always shows in every invasion and war. Now that they have control of Ukraine more or less ,central and western Ukraine ,no longer they have a need to hide their agenda of Isolation of Russia economically through sanctions. They can try it ,but they doomed to fail.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri May 02, 2014 1:24 am

    Russia ready to welcome Ukraine’s defense sector specialists — Putin

    PETROZAVODSK, April 28. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia is ready to welcome Ukrainian specialists in the military-industrial complex who will wish to move to Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday.
    At a session of the Council of Lawmakers, Voronezh region duma speaker Vladimir Klyuchnikov asked for assistance, saying that many Ukrainian specialists working in the defense industry complex were ready to move to Russia.
    “If there are volunteers, we will help you - they will get worthy salaries, housing and apartments,” the Russian president said. “You will get all necessary funds from the federal budget,” he added, noting that the process had already started, and some specialists had already moved with their families.
    Putin said Ukraine had “high potential” in the sector, and could boast “excellent specialists.” “We will be glad to see them at our enterprises in Russia,” he said.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/729830
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri May 02, 2014 1:28 am

    Looks like some of the pro-Sockpuppetshvili generals are left in the Georgian military, their using the Ukrainian crisis as an excuse for advocating for NATO to host "defense systems" on Georgian soil and to join NATO:

    NATO to consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems

    The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free”

    TBILISI, May 01. /ITAR-TASS/. NATO will consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems, the alliance’s special envoy for the South Caucasus and Central Asia James Appathurai said.

    The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free” organized by the Atlantic Council in Washington on Thursday, May 1. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen who attended the conference said he would familiarize his colleagues with the offer.
    Appathurai said Alasania’s message was straight and clear, and expressed hope that NATO would consider it.
    As an organization, NATO has no defensive systems, but its member states have them, and the alliance can arrange for their deployment as it did in Turkey during the conflict in Syria.
    Speaking at a joint briefing with Appathurai, Georgian Foreign Minister Maia Panjikidze said the deployment of such defensive systems in her country would be “a timely, considering the situation, and interesting idea which has not been considered yet but which is worth considering”.
    “Time will show what specific actions will follow. For the time being, it’s just one of the ideas that is interesting to our partners as well,” she said.
    “Now West has to seize the opportunity … to create the reality on the ground by accepting the membership of aspirant countries to NATO by putting some defensive, purely defensive assets in the aspirant countries and predominantly in Georgia,” Alasania said in his presentation the text of which was posted on the Georgian Defense Ministry’s website.
    The European Union and NATO are the only organizations Georgia plans to join, Panjikidze said earlier.
    NATO reiterated its decision to admit Georgia to the alliance. The NATO leaders agreed “to enhance Georgia’s connectivity with the Alliance, including by further strengthening our political dialogue, practical cooperation, and interoperability with Georgia”.
    They continue to encourage and actively support Georgia’s ongoing implementation of all necessary reforms, including democratic, electoral, and judicial reforms, as well as security and defence reforms.
    Four states described by NATO as aspirant countries are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, Macedonia and Montenegro.
    Georgia’s top officials say that Tbilisi continues the policy of integration with the North Atlantic Alliance and stress that membership in the alliance will help strengthen the country’s independence, security and sovereignty, facilitate its socio-economic and democratic development.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/730180

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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 02, 2014 5:13 am

    A new assault have began of kiev army against eastern region on SLAVYANSK.

    http://rt.com/news/156292-slavyansk-army-special-operation/



    In one video uploaded ,appears like an helicopter had an Emergency landing or was shutdown.
    The Pro Russian forces now have sirens..,like in world war 2 countries had.. to announce
    the enemy bombing their cities. LOL

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