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Russian Military to Receive Mistral-Designed Ka-52K Attack Helicopters
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Ka-52K for Russian Navy
George1- Posts : 18086
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"Moscow plans to offer Kamov Ka-52K helicopters to a country interested in purchasing the two Mistral warships which France originally built for the Russian Navy, the Kommersant newspaper reported, citing anonymous sources. he Ka-52K rotorcraft are specifically tailored for the amphibious assault ships. Russia built a total of four machines to serve on the Mistrals before the arms deal was cancelled in August.
No nation has formally confirmed its decision to buy the helicopter carriers but many speculate that Brazil, Egypt, India, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Vietnam and the United Arab Emirates are contemplating adding the amphibious assault ships to their fleet. A source told the daily that Egypt's President Abdel-Fattah al-Sis discussed the Mistrals with Vladimir Putin while on a visit to Moscow last week.
"Sisi expressed interest in the possibility of buying the helicopter carriers from the French but it was a purely theoretical interest. … Obviously, they need financial assistance from a third party to purchase the ships," the source added but declined to comment on whether Russia could serve as a creditor. Earlier, reports emerged that Saudi Arabia could buy the two Mistrals which would likely be docked in Egypt. The oil kingdom views the amphibious assault ships as a means to project its own power in the region. They could also become part of the joint Arab force project which was recently unveiled by Riyadh and Cairo."
No nation has formally confirmed its decision to buy the helicopter carriers but many speculate that Brazil, Egypt, India, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Vietnam and the United Arab Emirates are contemplating adding the amphibious assault ships to their fleet. A source told the daily that Egypt's President Abdel-Fattah al-Sis discussed the Mistrals with Vladimir Putin while on a visit to Moscow last week.
"Sisi expressed interest in the possibility of buying the helicopter carriers from the French but it was a purely theoretical interest. … Obviously, they need financial assistance from a third party to purchase the ships," the source added but declined to comment on whether Russia could serve as a creditor. Earlier, reports emerged that Saudi Arabia could buy the two Mistrals which would likely be docked in Egypt. The oil kingdom views the amphibious assault ships as a means to project its own power in the region. They could also become part of the joint Arab force project which was recently unveiled by Riyadh and Cairo."
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200km range for Ka-52K
200km range for Ka-52K
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Isos wrote:http://kret.com/en/news/3728/
200km range for Ka-52K
The range is incredible and absolutely puts the Longbow to shame when it comes to range. Most sources cite the range of the Longbow at only 8 km. I've only come across two sources that cite the range of the Longbow at 50 km.
Source: http://www.army-technology.com/news/newssouth-korea-plans-to-deploy-ah-64e-apache-helicopters-ahead-of-schedule-4796912
Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/01/205_196370.html
Magnumcromagnon wrote:Because you won't have to put unnecessary strain on the coaxial rotors.
Sepheronx wrote:Plus vibration is a real hamper too.
Makes sense. As long as it has full 360 degree view, it's all good.
Mindstorm wrote:From the mouth of the designer......
http://old.redstar.ru/2008/03/05_03/4_02.html
Thanks a million for the incredibly informative source, mate.
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http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3421686
Ka-52K helicopters will be placed on Kuznetsov carrier already in this year.
Ka-52K helicopters will be placed on Kuznetsov carrier already in this year.
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medo wrote:http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3421686
Ka-52K helicopters will be placed on Kuznetsov carrier already in this year.
Guess they wanna test them out on water, before they build those assault ships whenever they actually start and complete one that is.
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Hopefully sooner than expected given this news piece.SeigSoloyvov wrote:medo wrote:http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3421686
Ka-52K helicopters will be placed on Kuznetsov carrier already in this year.
Guess they wanna test them out on water, before they build those assault ships whenever they actually start and complete one that is.
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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russias-ka-52-alligator-05150/?utm_medium=textlink&utm_term=continuereading
July 20/16: Russia’s latest KA-52K Katran external link helicopters are to be tested in the field external link during upcoming military action in Syria. The helicopters will be on board the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and will join the Syrian campaign from October 2016 to January 2017. Reasoning behind the deployment, according to Viktor Murakhovsky of Arsenal Otechestva magazine, is that it “is a test of the operational and technical capacity and ability of our air carrier strike group, since previously Russia has never used air carriers in real combat conditions.”
July 20/16: Russia’s latest KA-52K Katran external link helicopters are to be tested in the field external link during upcoming military action in Syria. The helicopters will be on board the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and will join the Syrian campaign from October 2016 to January 2017. Reasoning behind the deployment, according to Viktor Murakhovsky of Arsenal Otechestva magazine, is that it “is a test of the operational and technical capacity and ability of our air carrier strike group, since previously Russia has never used air carriers in real combat conditions.”
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Test of Ka-52K on the "Admiral Kuznetsov"
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097432.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097432.html
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https://topwar.ru/102645-smi-rossiyskie-voennye-ispytayut-v-sirii-novye-dalnoboynye-protivotankovye-rakety.html
Russian naval combat helicopters Ka-52K on carrier Kuznetsov will use (test) in Syria new guided missiles Hermes which have a range up to 30 km. RuAF already wanted to use Hermes missiles on Ka-52 helicopters in Hmeymim before, but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria. Hermes have laser and IR guidance and have weight of 90 kg.
Russian naval combat helicopters Ka-52K on carrier Kuznetsov will use (test) in Syria new guided missiles Hermes which have a range up to 30 km. RuAF already wanted to use Hermes missiles on Ka-52 helicopters in Hmeymim before, but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria. Hermes have laser and IR guidance and have weight of 90 kg.
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"but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria." - how so? They can transport S-400 but they cant transport ATGMs?
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Militarov wrote:"but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria." - how so? They can transport S-400 but they cant transport ATGMs?
Means we can't deliver yet because we're a little "behind schedule".
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:"but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria." - how so? They can transport S-400 but they cant transport ATGMs?
Means we can't deliver yet because we're a little "behind schedule".
Most likely, yea.
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Well the laser homing models should not be a problem, but IR guided versions might be the reason for the delay.
BTW 30km range with a 30kg warhead and 90kgs in total weight... these are not just ATGMs.
In many ways these are replacements for Kh-25L missiles... the new Russian Mavericks.
I wonder why they have taken so long... they are basically SA-22s/SA-19 Grison type missiles with terminal guidance... a solid rocket booster that accelerates the missile to a high flight speed with a slim forward missile part that flys to the target with low drag and possibly a small sustainer rocket motor and in this case terminal guidance.
A laser homer version should be quite straight forward, so perhaps the IR model is an imaging IR version... perhaps there is a datalink autopilot to get the missile within range of the target before the terminal guidance takes over... that would require lock on after launch capability for the IR guidance model and with the laser homing model an autopilot to get the missile close to the target before it starts looking for targets.
An IR guided model that is fire and forget and able to find its own targets would be interesting... a ground vehicle with 40 tubes of these weapons could operate with a Pantsir air defence battery and stealth targets could be optically tracked and marked with a laser to shoot down with HERMES, or IIR missiles used to deal with a swarm attack.
BTW 30km range with a 30kg warhead and 90kgs in total weight... these are not just ATGMs.
In many ways these are replacements for Kh-25L missiles... the new Russian Mavericks.
I wonder why they have taken so long... they are basically SA-22s/SA-19 Grison type missiles with terminal guidance... a solid rocket booster that accelerates the missile to a high flight speed with a slim forward missile part that flys to the target with low drag and possibly a small sustainer rocket motor and in this case terminal guidance.
A laser homer version should be quite straight forward, so perhaps the IR model is an imaging IR version... perhaps there is a datalink autopilot to get the missile within range of the target before the terminal guidance takes over... that would require lock on after launch capability for the IR guidance model and with the laser homing model an autopilot to get the missile close to the target before it starts looking for targets.
An IR guided model that is fire and forget and able to find its own targets would be interesting... a ground vehicle with 40 tubes of these weapons could operate with a Pantsir air defence battery and stealth targets could be optically tracked and marked with a laser to shoot down with HERMES, or IIR missiles used to deal with a swarm attack.
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GarryB wrote:Well the laser homing models should not be a problem, but IR guided versions might be the reason for the delay.
BTW 30km range with a 30kg warhead and 90kgs in total weight... these are not just ATGMs.
In many ways these are replacements for Kh-25L missiles... the new Russian Mavericks.
I wonder why they have taken so long... they are basically SA-22s/SA-19 Grison type missiles with terminal guidance... a solid rocket booster that accelerates the missile to a high flight speed with a slim forward missile part that flys to the target with low drag and possibly a small sustainer rocket motor and in this case terminal guidance.
A laser homer version should be quite straight forward, so perhaps the IR model is an imaging IR version... perhaps there is a datalink autopilot to get the missile within range of the target before the terminal guidance takes over... that would require lock on after launch capability for the IR guidance model and with the laser homing model an autopilot to get the missile close to the target before it starts looking for targets.
An IR guided model that is fire and forget and able to find its own targets would be interesting... a ground vehicle with 40 tubes of these weapons could operate with a Pantsir air defence battery and stealth targets could be optically tracked and marked with a laser to shoot down with HERMES, or IIR missiles used to deal with a swarm attack.
Actually performance wise it looks more like something that looks like the AGM45 Shrike but going three times faster and has half the charge.
The only analogues in term of offensive capability are the Lahat/Nimrut on the Tamuz vehicle and the dead JCM program. But both having 40/45% of the speed. In any cases the Hermes is simply amazing. And if they can stuff it under 100KG Russian helicopters would have an universal threat against everything that could enter their offensive and defensive enveloppe.
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Actually as I understand the article, Hermes have dual homing head in its nose with IR and laser channel. Laser channel will see target illuminated with laser designator, which could as well be from the geound and not necesary from helicopter and if there is no laser designation, than it will use its IR channel (most probably IIR). In development is also a version of Hermes with radar homing head.
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Rostec Tests Ka-52K Helicopters in Naval Environment
Ka-52K helicopters manufactured by Russian Helicopters holding company (part of Rostec State Corporation) completed the first phase of testing in marine conditions. The machines are currently in the premises of Kamov Design Bureau where specialists finish assessing the condition of helicopters and their components after performing tasks in harsh climatic conditions.
Two Ka-52K helicopters were tested at sea during the period from late 2016 to early 2017.
Two Ka-52K helicopters were tested during the period from late 2016 to early 2017. After performing the tasks set by commanders the tests of helicopters were recognized successful. The machines have already been handed over to engineers of Kamov Design Bureau for conducting additional study of the work of a helicopter and its individual units, as well as for making changes considering possible requirements.
"Ka-52K helicopters completed the first phase of testing in marine conditions, after which it can be concluded that the machines may be placed on an aircraft cruiser and successfully complete their tasks. The helicopter has unique properties; however, one test in the sea is insufficient for understanding the work of its engines, units, avionics, control and armament systems in maritime climate. The design bureau will continue its work as part of tests including those on the aircraft cruiser," said Deputy CEO for Sales of Russian Helicopters holding Vladislav Savelyev.
The Ka-52K helicopter is another machine in the range of "maritime" helicopters developed by Kamov Design Bureau and adopted by the Russian Navy. This range also includes helicopters such as Ka-25, Ka-27, Ka-29 and Ka-31. The Ka-52K helicopter is designed for patrolling, providing fire support for airborne forces during landing, and ensuring counter-air defence on the front line and defence in depth. Modern onboard equipment will ensure navigation of a helicopter when there are no landmarks in the sea.
Unlike a basic model, the Ka-52K helicopter has a shorter folding wing which was redesigned to carry heavy weapons and the mechanism for folding blades which makes it possible to be compactly placed in the hold. A smaller size of Ka-52 shipborne helicopters makes it possible to increase the maximum number of helicopters which may be placed on a ship. An armored crew compartment and an ejection system allow pilots to safely leave a helicopter. Besides, the shipborne Ka-52 helicopter has a rescue apparatus making it possible to rescue seafarers in distress.
The use of corrosion-resistant materials is another important feature of Ka-52K, as the helicopter is to be operated in wet maritime climate. The helicopter has a single-point fueling system and an upgraded air conditioning system which ensures ventilation of immersion suits of crew members. Besides, the helicopter has a short-range radiotechnical navigation system which was not used by the basic model.
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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5169-rostec-tests-ka-52k-helicopters-in-naval-environment.html
Ka-52K helicopters manufactured by Russian Helicopters holding company (part of Rostec State Corporation) completed the first phase of testing in marine conditions. The machines are currently in the premises of Kamov Design Bureau where specialists finish assessing the condition of helicopters and their components after performing tasks in harsh climatic conditions.
Two Ka-52K helicopters were tested at sea during the period from late 2016 to early 2017.
Two Ka-52K helicopters were tested during the period from late 2016 to early 2017. After performing the tasks set by commanders the tests of helicopters were recognized successful. The machines have already been handed over to engineers of Kamov Design Bureau for conducting additional study of the work of a helicopter and its individual units, as well as for making changes considering possible requirements.
"Ka-52K helicopters completed the first phase of testing in marine conditions, after which it can be concluded that the machines may be placed on an aircraft cruiser and successfully complete their tasks. The helicopter has unique properties; however, one test in the sea is insufficient for understanding the work of its engines, units, avionics, control and armament systems in maritime climate. The design bureau will continue its work as part of tests including those on the aircraft cruiser," said Deputy CEO for Sales of Russian Helicopters holding Vladislav Savelyev.
The Ka-52K helicopter is another machine in the range of "maritime" helicopters developed by Kamov Design Bureau and adopted by the Russian Navy. This range also includes helicopters such as Ka-25, Ka-27, Ka-29 and Ka-31. The Ka-52K helicopter is designed for patrolling, providing fire support for airborne forces during landing, and ensuring counter-air defence on the front line and defence in depth. Modern onboard equipment will ensure navigation of a helicopter when there are no landmarks in the sea.
Unlike a basic model, the Ka-52K helicopter has a shorter folding wing which was redesigned to carry heavy weapons and the mechanism for folding blades which makes it possible to be compactly placed in the hold. A smaller size of Ka-52 shipborne helicopters makes it possible to increase the maximum number of helicopters which may be placed on a ship. An armored crew compartment and an ejection system allow pilots to safely leave a helicopter. Besides, the shipborne Ka-52 helicopter has a rescue apparatus making it possible to rescue seafarers in distress.
The use of corrosion-resistant materials is another important feature of Ka-52K, as the helicopter is to be operated in wet maritime climate. The helicopter has a single-point fueling system and an upgraded air conditioning system which ensures ventilation of immersion suits of crew members. Besides, the helicopter has a short-range radiotechnical navigation system which was not used by the basic model.
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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5169-rostec-tests-ka-52k-helicopters-in-naval-environment.html
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Signing of the contract for the delivery of decked-up helicopters Ka-52K is planned for 2019
May 25, 2017 at 14:21 Topic: Industry
Holding "Helicopters of Russia" expects in 2019 to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the supply of deck helicopters Ka-52K. About this on Thursday, May 25, said the general director of the holding Andrei Boginsky.
"This helicopter is present in the draft state armament program until 2025. We hope that we will conclude a contract in 2019," Tass quotes him.
In early May, Andrei Boginsky said that the serial production of shipborne Ka-52K "Katran" helicopters in the interests of the Russian Navy is planned to begin in 2020.
The Ka-52K tests were conducted during the cruise to the Mediterranean Sea of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov in the fall and winter of 2016.
Ka-52K - deck modification Ka-52 "Alligator", originally developed specifically for the French amphibious assault ship "Mistral". The helicopter is equipped with two modernized VK-2500 engines with a capacity of 2400 horsepower each. In the bow is a two-seater cabin of pilots with the onboard complex of the equipment of new generation. The pilots' seats are equipped with catapults. One of the features of the deck version is the folding blades.
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Ka-52K ship-borne helicopter to be tested in 2019
The deliveries to the Russian Defense Ministry will start right after the trials, the company said
MOSCOW, July 6. /TASS/. The tests for the Ka-52K shipborne helicopter will be completed before the end of 2019 and then the deliveries to the Defense Ministry will start, Russian Helicopters (part of Rostech) told TASS on Thursday.
"The helicopter trials are planned to be completed before the end of 2019. So, the deliveries to the Defense Ministry will start right after the trials," the company said.
In May, Russian Helicopters reported that the helicopter had successfully completed the first phase of testing. It was tested from late 2016 until early 2017.
Earlier, the company’s Director General Andrey Boginsky said that Russian Helicopters planned to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to deliver the Ka-52K helicopters in 2019. In his turn, Chief Designer of the Kamov Design Bureau Sergey Mikheev reported that the Ka-52K tests would be carried out during the next three years on board ships of four various types.
Compared to the land-based Ka-52, the Ka-52K has shorter folding wings which have been redesigned to carry heavy weapons and a blade-folding mechanism for stowage in the hold. Minimized dimensions of the KA-52K will allow more helicopters to be placed on board.
The armored helicopter cabin and the ejection system allow pilots to leave the aircraft safely. Besides, the shipborne Ka-52 has maritime rescue equipment to help those in distress.
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http://tass.com/defense/954958
The deliveries to the Russian Defense Ministry will start right after the trials, the company said
MOSCOW, July 6. /TASS/. The tests for the Ka-52K shipborne helicopter will be completed before the end of 2019 and then the deliveries to the Defense Ministry will start, Russian Helicopters (part of Rostech) told TASS on Thursday.
"The helicopter trials are planned to be completed before the end of 2019. So, the deliveries to the Defense Ministry will start right after the trials," the company said.
In May, Russian Helicopters reported that the helicopter had successfully completed the first phase of testing. It was tested from late 2016 until early 2017.
Earlier, the company’s Director General Andrey Boginsky said that Russian Helicopters planned to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to deliver the Ka-52K helicopters in 2019. In his turn, Chief Designer of the Kamov Design Bureau Sergey Mikheev reported that the Ka-52K tests would be carried out during the next three years on board ships of four various types.
Compared to the land-based Ka-52, the Ka-52K has shorter folding wings which have been redesigned to carry heavy weapons and a blade-folding mechanism for stowage in the hold. Minimized dimensions of the KA-52K will allow more helicopters to be placed on board.
The armored helicopter cabin and the ejection system allow pilots to leave the aircraft safely. Besides, the shipborne Ka-52 has maritime rescue equipment to help those in distress.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/954958
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Ka-52K on the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2745919.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2745919.html
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The Ka-52Ks helicopter is now being equipped with AShMs with 260 km range: https://militaryarms.ru/novosti/ka-52k-osnastili-protivokorabelnoj-raketoj/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
With combat radius of 470 km, their max. reach is 730km. Not bad!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#Specifications_(Ka-50)
With combat radius of 470 km, their max. reach is 730km. Not bad!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#Specifications_(Ka-50)
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Tsavo Lion wrote:The Ka-52Ks helicopter is now being equipped with AShMs with 260 km range: https://militaryarms.ru/novosti/ka-52k-osnastili-protivokorabelnoj-raketoj/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
With combat radius of 470 km, their max. reach is 730km. Not bad!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#Specifications_(Ka-50)
Wow, that is real "Beast Mode"
A proof of the amazing payload and flight characteristics of the Ka-52
Kamov's guys are making their helos each time closer in capability to fixed wing aircraft. Newt step would be the high speed design
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It was capable of carrying kh-35 since years ago. I doubt it will have the same max range with and without this missiles.
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If they fly slower, less fuel is used, increasing range. Even if less due to their weight, it'll still be around ~700km, more than enough not only for the Baltic, Black, Barents, Okhotsk & Japan but also the Med., Red, Arabian, S/E China Seas were UDKs may go.
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