Russian Science: Discussion Thread

collegeboy16 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Well, their fault for not backing up data.  Let this be a warning to them.

Well i think it is quite a challange to make digital copies of millions of books, not counting that they maybe need to ask for some more recent books if they are allowed to do so, idk, but it is a tragedy, since lot of history can be lost in that way.

well, we have the technology, theres like a robot that flips a book on its own and photographs it- its quite fast! then some software just "flattens" the page images and voila! instant ebook. only problem is with old moldy tomes, those may require a bit more delicacy in handling but they are few in between anyway.

I wasn't speaking formely of technologies, i was speaking that you need permition of quite alot of books to even make a copy, now try to find out or request by the author or the publisher to make a copy for your library and than wait for weeks maybe months untill they answer your request or even try to make money with that and add this work to over one dozen million books, not to mention the libraries resources are limited and they also don't have thousands of employees working there, this is far from simple.

An underground vault would have been good for all books which were not translated. Whoever responsible for this needs to be in prison for neglegence. Anyway, too late, let this be a lesson to them. People do not seem to learn till there is a disaster. And this isnt first time. Grand Library of Alexandria?

OMG no..

If I had my way I'd restart the Great Terror over this BS, on the staff of that library.

Making digital copies need not be such a large priority. Nothing can replace the originals anyway, digital copies can be forged right down to the last detail. Real copies - never.

What should be a priority is building modern storage facilities, with seperate compartments, fire-resistant materials, advanced automated fire extinguishment systems including depressurisation of compartments; fire can't burn in a vacuum or anywhere near it.
I can understand why this wasn't a priority before. Nothing ever gets done or fixed in Russia before people die over it, priceless relics are destroyed, etc...

Well hopefully the problems with the library are exaggerated. And that the originals appear again soon. Who knows, maybe after a big insurance claim. ANd that the press coverage is all a plea for modernisation funding, rather than a reflection of a giant disaster.

This reminds me of when Stalin decided to start selling stuff off from the Hermitage. Thankfully he saw sense before selling off the Scythian gold and stuff.

Water damage is often very reparable. Obviously fire is more difficult. Hopefully, later on it will emerge that what was left wasn't irreplaceable or priceless..

I can understand why this wasn't a priority before. Nothing ever gets done or fixed in Russia before people die over it, priceless relics are destroyed, etc...

Don't make it exceptional for russia, that is common and definitely more common for other countries than for russia.

[quote="Werewolf"]

I can understand why this wasn't a priority before. Nothing ever gets done or fixed in Russia before people die over it, priceless relics are destroyed, etc...

Ofcourse it's not just Russia, but they should be better than that.
Russia needs to be more strict and have independent bodies. There is still plenty of bezpridel.
But anyways no major life loss so meh. Their fault for not archiving them properly.

A fire in an archive of valuable documents... fire and water damage...

Reminds me of a situation here in NZ where the department of conservation had collected up a whole lot of snails of an endangered type and they were going to move them to an island where they would be safe from predators... there were over 200 snails and someone turned off the freezers they were keeping them in and they all died.

Centralisation has its good points and its bad points...

UPDATE:

Books restoration after Moscow science library fire may take 150 years — official

MOSCOW, February 18. /TASS/. The restoration of books damaged by fire at the Moscow-based Institute for Information on Social Sciences could require up to 150 years, the head of the Federal Agency of Scientific Organizations said on Wednesday.

"If we use the current technologies, it will take us 154 years", Mikhail Kotyukov said.

Fire engulfing the unique library in southwest Moscow on January 30 raged for 25 hours. Vladimir Fortov, president of the Russian Academy of Sciences, described the fire as "a cultural Chernobyl", referring to the 1986 nuclear power plant catastrophe in Ukraine.

The library founded in 1918 lost more than 2.3 million books, or 15% of its collection.

The library’s depository had 10 million items, including some rare publications dating back to the 16th century alongside collections of documents of the United Nations, the League of Nations, US Congress reports beginning with 1789 and the British parliament from 1803. It also housed more than 450,000 monographs.

http://tass.ru/en/russia/778509

A true national/international tragedy, not sure if it's on the level of Alexandria though.

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More detailed report:

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Russia have a lot of thieves of technology and talent.. in Russia ,hidden under
label of a "organizations to promote Cooperation between US and Russia".


Here is one inviting Russian talent to visit USA to a conference..

http://marchmontnews.com/Finance-Business/Innovation/21388-Nano--Giga-invites-Minnesota-boost-US-Russia-collaboration.html


they use a Russian traitor.. a 5th column ,who moved to USA to lure away more Russian talent to America..and now helping US and not his Country of Origin  in Science there.
US congress also fund scientific projects in Russian Universities  "to promote Science" , that basically they put the money and finance any project research and Russian students give them back the knowledge for free to help boost their own technology industry..  IF they are so interested in "promote science" why they dont go fund projects in Africa?  or third world nations?

For sure because there will be nothing to steal from them.. no much knowledge to gain..
Russia needs to shut down all that "Science Cooperation " crap and say if there is Cold war..
then No science cooperation for Americans. nothing. No free knowledge for them..  shut down any Recruiter terrorist of talent.. this is offensive and dis respective. .  So Russia needs to make it very difficult if not impossible any more recruiting of their scientific talent.

American Government does not allow their best scientist to work for anyone else or best
potential scientist..they cannot share their scientific knowledge to any other nation ,that will be treason.. why would Russia allow Americans to do what they block in their country?

AFter all Obama told Russia is a Gas station ,why the hell then go to Russia to recruit
scientific talent?  This is how you create the world most developed nation in the world ...with
a massive program of stealing talent in the world best schools and steal the best potential students to work for their side..   This is why you dont see much competition in the world..or zero.. to companies like Intel or Amd in east.. or US IT industry.. because they steal a lot of good potential talent from Abroad. Not only Russia is victim of this Scientific Thievery ,but India and China too..

All those Russians who can be worked over this way should bugger on off since they are nothing more than malcontents to
start with. Russia does not need a layer of bitter idiots who resent not breathing the fresh air of American freedom (TM).
The best medicine for them is to get educated by reality.

Agreed with KVS. As long as there are benefits to be an engineer or scientist in Russia (accomodations, money, work, other benefits) the good ones will stay. Issue with Russia is that they dont pay for universitu thus huge portion of the population is well educated. And because of that, there are a lot of specialists with probably not enough jobs. As well, many act bitter and stupid for unknown reasons, and think the grass is greener on the other side. Recently I saw an article on various Russians moving to US, sillicon valley, to do their startup (they could easily do it in Russia but have this odd vision they can do it better out west. But the jokes on them. The US market is heavily over saturated and zerohedge mentions of the growing tech bubbles. So many of these Russian techies will eventually end up jobless and wanting to go cry back home (I dont think they should be welcomed with open arms).

All the while, Russian it field grows and now, growing demands due to sanctions. Mail.ru, Yandex, 1C and others have made a fortune in Russia. Even VK, whom previous owner fled the country when he made real stupid remarks that ended up losing tons of money in the stock market, so Russian gov investigated him, and he left the country crying how he was being poorly treated. Even though he was a millionair thanks to Russia and Russians using his software.

kvs wrote:All those Russians who can be worked over this way should bugger on off since they are nothing more than malcontents to
start with.   Russia does not need a layer of bitter idiots who resent not breathing the fresh air of American freedom (TM).
The best medicine for them is to get educated by reality.

There is something else that i will like to call it.. Scientific terrorism.. When
western scientist publish materials in magazines about "success" of some research
and experiments that not true.. to keep away your enemies of the real science discoveries..

I never see a major report of this.. i just imagined it was happening.. and effectively not
long ago found people commenting about Scientific terrorism.. that consist on intentionally
misleading in Public  ,the scientific community about new discoveries in science.. the purpose
is to delay the investigation of others nations in same subject by confusing them.. And only
a selective group of scientist which the Government hand pick ,really knows the truth about
the latest discoveries in science.

I even have heard the terms.. " American scientist magazine mafia" that is more similar to western media than science.. that keep releasing reports to mislead the scientific community
that do not work on their side.  What all this means.. is that all so called "Theories" and Nobel Price Winners.. you need to be skeptic always and test thing by yourself. See to believe.. because any new US scientist "theory" could be just misinformation to delay the programs of other scientist working on the same subject. This other Scientific terrorism happens when the cure of cancer or aids discovered..and not released because is not profitable for major international pharmaceuticals that makes $billions selling medicine that alleviate the pain.

This is why being a Scientist or Engineer in Russia is much more attractive ,than in any part in the west.. You know you will be working with science and only science and not politics. Russia is an independent country and no one can tell them ,how much scientific knowledge they are allowed to have..  as they have been trying to block IRAN from learning of nuclear energy and developing its nation ..and for the only reason they could continue researching on that is thanks to Russia. Also more attractive Engineering and science in Russia because they have their own Capabilities to investigate things with their own research. In the case of IT and Computers Sciences even better.. because you work with Virgin technology ,that no one have touched their hands..  And its secure to use..Is a low keep secret that US processors ,computers ,Microsoft OS ,smartphones and many things connected to IT technology have malicious spy hardware inside..  There are reports of even generic Cable converters tv boxes,,with spy cameras inside..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED5-iMVhDQc

US Government is a total complete paranoid on spying on everyone..
not only their citizens but the entire world...For stealing information that they can use later for
questionable business practices or against you. But also spy on competition technology.. So every single popular electronic device or popular computer software ,smart phones ,Intel/Amd processors ,Home entertainment systems.. xbox.. etc.. all that technology from US or from their allies puppets colonies ,one way or other could have malicious spy hardware or software ,designed by US government . that have nothing to do with the product you purchased and its only intention is there is to be used against you. To steal your credit card data or your personal identity or your technology research etc.  

This is why i really think Russia will make $Trillions in profits and take the whole IT industry by storm ,if they ever design their own but secure Internet ,with world wide coverage..their own COmputers.. Microsoft/NSA free.. that are really competitive with western designed computers and IT hardware..etc.. And this is why will be far more interesting for any scientist to work in Russia ,than in America.. because you are not developing science and technology to help a sociopath Criminal Government , to help them continue its technological influence in the world. and instead a Government that promote respect between nations and everyone being equal.

i also have heard about the so called Einstein theory of relativity to be a complete lie ,
including the stories of how it was "Validated" but i dont know about this.. all i know
is that Scientific Disinformation is real , and its purpose is to delay the progress or advance of others nations in x or y research.. so they get the information first.

Scientific Terrorism is real , and it is not done for Science.. but for politics or for delaying the investigations of other nations in the same subject or sometimes just for much bigger profits. like the Epson printers scandal. that were caught their ink cartridges to have malicious hardware inside ,designed by Epson ,that will not let you print more and tell you the cartridge is empty ,so you buy more ink from them..  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LigFCow_ko

I also heard from Russians  that apparently American IT companies ,that Russia hire at times
to help their Business with Computers and in creating networks,, that their technicians goes and
sabotage the servers ,to later charge more for their work.. So the same people that is supposed to help , break things only to charge you much more..for the final service.

Is a complete corrupt nation from top to button.. and  DC Goverment encourage such practices with their own example. Business practices are all to make more profits and not a better service. And this is what Makes Russia really attractive in developing its own industrial revolution and replace all or most western made technology.. You will see real technology development to serve people and not technology to help maintain a corrupt government its control over society or help companies to keep increasing their profits at your expense.

[quote="sepheronx"]Agreed with KVS. As long as there are benefits to be an engineer or scientist in Russia (accomodations, money, work, other benefits) the good ones will stay. Issue with Russia is that they dont pay for universitu thus huge portion of the population is well educated. And because of that, there are a lot of specialists with probably not enough jobs. As well, many act bitter and stupid for unknown reasons, and think the grass is greener on the other side.  Recently I saw an article on various Russians moving to US, sillicon valley, to do their startup (they could easily do it in Russia but have this odd vision they can do it better out west. But the jokes on them. The US market is heavily over saturated and zerohedge mentions of the growing tech bubbles. So many of these Russian techies will eventually end up jobless and wanting to go cry back home (I dont think they should be welcomed with open arms).

All the while, Russian it field grows and now, growing demands due to sanctions. Mail.ru, Yandex, 1C and others have made a fortune in Russia. Even VK, whom previous owner fled the country when he made real stupid remarks that ended up losing tons of money in the stock market, so Russian gov investigated him, and he left the country crying how he was being poorly treated. Even though he was a millionair thanks to Russia and Russians using his software.[/quote]
i think is about the mirage of a rich life in west. but there is competition because a lot of people from around the world want to go to usa. so basically those russian engineers will stay poor if they arent really the best. also is another thing. they like that monkey being life style that they see in usa movies so they go to become a punk or whatever to have lot of fun.

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