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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:25 pm

    Ooh boy, not good.   Neutral  
    US, UK military to stage NATO exercises in Ukraine
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:10 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh boy, not good.   Neutral  
    US, UK military to stage NATO exercises in Ukraine
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    Nothing to worry about.
    A force of 1300?
    They're just posturing...playing games.
    Telling their allies they're still strong. It's meant as a reassurance, so that their allies don't think that the sun is setting on their empire...but it is... Very Happy
    Evil never wins...don't you watch Hollywood movies?  Laughing 
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:13 pm

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Even the most hopeless cases can be partially cured
    http://vz.ru/world/2014/3/18/677754.html
    Yatsenyuk now agrees that the EU agreement isn't viable Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:58 pm

    Now THIS is bad...

    Croatia to Help Diversify EU Energy Supply

    Croatia is taking steps to become a regional hub for energy production and shipment, a move that would help diversify supply options for other European Union members, the country's deputy economy minister said on Thursday.

    The news comes as European leaders seek ways to cut their multi-billion-dollar dependence on Russian gas at talks in Brussels.

    I really love the Adriatic coast in Croatia. The sea is beautiful there.
    Just an example of how politicians would do ANYTHING for short term money (regardless of how it impacts their country in the long term).

    Croatia, which joined the EU in July last year, will on April 2 publish an international tender for gas and oil exploration in the Adriatic. In May, it expects to get a location permit that will allow a long-delayed liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal project to move ahead.

    "Given the interest for the data room we set up before the tender, we expect a decent number of bids from major global energy firms," Deputy Economy Minister Alen Leveric told Reuters, adding that the tender would be open for seven months.

    He said the first exploration work on 29 areas in the northern and southern Adriatic was expected next year.Croatia expects some $2.5 billion worth of investments in oil and gas rigs in the Adriatic over the next five years.

    I sure hope we NEVER enter this European 'Union' thing...
    (not that we're not puppets to Washington/Brussels anyway)  Sad
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:12 pm

    Few points macedonian  Very Happy 

    1. LNG terminal is in planing phase for 15 years now and still nothing - our former PM (the one in jail) wanted a bribe from UAE/Qatar for permision to build terminal.

    2. The same exploration work has been done 30 years ago in Yugoslavia and since than we have info about our deposits and this the lattest one was just another example of corruption

       and "legal" money extortion from the budget.

    Russians are not even interested to buy data from that exploration but are however extremely interested in buying INA stocks from Hungarian MOL company. (US is meddling of course

    but its up to Hungarians to decide ultimately). Crapy article If you ask me.

    The thing is that everything (even stuff non related to Russian-Ukrainian crisis) that can be exploited in any way by putting it in the contex will be done and suddenly brand new story

    will emerge  Very Happy
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:23 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh boy, not good.   Neutral  
    US, UK military to stage NATO exercises in Ukraine
    Link

    Nothing to worry about.
    A force of 1300?
    They're just posturing...playing games.
    Telling their allies they're still strong. It's meant as a reassurance, so that their allies don't think that the sun is setting on their empire...but it is... Very Happy
    Evil never wins...don't you watch Hollywood movies?  Laughing 

    x2

    Who the hell even cares about NATO today? Paper tiger, no-one in Russia cares about this cold war relic anyway. Exercises in Baltic, Ukraine... let them do what they want
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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:33 pm

    You should care about NATO. It's not a paper tiger - US alone is something like 30% of world's military spending, the whole alliance is about 50% of world's spending. It's the only force capable of projecting significant military power anywhere in the world.

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    Post  macedonian on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:36 pm

    Viktor wrote:Few points macedonian  Very Happy 

    1. LNG terminal is in planing phase for 15 years now and still nothing - our former PM (the one in jail) wanted a bribe from UAE/Qatar for permision to build terminal.

    2. The same exploration work has been done 30 years ago in Yugoslavia and since than we have info about our deposits and this the lattest one was just another example of corruption

       and "legal" money extortion from the budget.

    Russians are not even interested to buy data from that exploration but are however extremely interested in buying INA stocks from Hungarian MOL company. (US is meddling of course

    but its up to Hungarians to decide ultimately). Crapy article If you ask me.

    The thing is that everything (even stuff non related to Russian-Ukrainian crisis) that can be exploited in any way by putting it in the contex will be done and suddenly brand new story

    will emerge  Very Happy

    What you say is music to my ears Victor. music 
    Hope you're right. As I said - I really love your coast, and spend time there whenever I can (A good friend's relatives give us a really discounted price at their hotel near Sibenik). I do understand that 'The Empire' will use everything to its benefit in the current situation. I just hope nobody starts to drill in the Adriatic, especially near the islands (as mentioned in the article). You really have a beautiful seascape, which I hope doesn't get ruined for a quick buck.
    (But, to be honest - I see no difference between Sanader and the current lot you have in power, just as I see no difference between the two parties we have here. They're all crooks, and they all bow down to Washington for everything).
    Hope what you say is true, and you keep your coast as beautiful as it is.

    [insert Ožujsko beer emoticon here] Cheers
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:37 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:You should care about NATO. It's not a paper tiger - US alone is something like 30% of world's military spending, the whole alliance is about 50% of world's spending. It's the only force capable of projecting significant military power anywhere in the world.


    You should start caring about Poland more than caring about NATO or the US.
    But you can't, can you?!
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:15 pm

    Obama Announces New Sanctions Against Russia
    en.ria.ru
    More symbolic sanctions, i ain't to worried, but i wonder what the hell this has to do with Rossiya Bank??
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    Post  navyfield on Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:32 pm

    so putin took crimea from ukraine and into russia without a bullet fired ,bombing campaign etc.... ,right in front of eu and usa , im impressed the guys got the balls of a bull.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:22 pm

    The decisions of the ukrainian government are getting even more contradictivehttp://www.iarex.ru/articles/46320.html
    Yatsenyuk plans to give parts of west ukraine to Poland and the population there...supports his decision with 69% approval Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Question Question Question Question Question Question Then WTH was all that rheotoric about a single united ukraine. BY this move the so-called "patriotic" government will give a very large chunk of its unilaterally and they dare to call russia on "carving up ukraine". An even bigger sign of historical ignorance is the fact that they want to give arguably the most ukrainian territories to a country that formally reppressed them and ruled over them. There is something seriously wrong with the current junta. First yatsenyuk suddenly agrees with Yanukovich's original stance on the EU agreement that they so bitterly hated hime for, and now this. Its like a tragic comedy...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:49 pm

    ^^^From the same news site:

    73% OF BULGARIANS SUPPORT THE REUNIFICATION OF THE CRIMEA WITH RUSSIA

    Bulgarian news agency "Focus" conducted a reader poll on the topic: "Should Bulgaria to recognize the results of the referendum in the Crimea?"

    According to the survey, 72.86% believe that Bulgaria should accept the outcome of the referendum, 23, 96% answered in the negative, and the rest do not have a position.

    Head of the NGO "United for Bulgaria" Dimitar Zdravkov commented for IA REX survey results:

    "The position of the Bulgarian authorities and the people of Bulgaria is diametrically. Bulgarians with great interest and hope to follow the development of the situation in Ukraine. Many see Russia as a liberator from the European Union, which brought the country to poverty and demographic catastrophe. I have just returned from Russia, and amazed by positive changes that occur in it. If Putin found a cure for the collapse of Russia, he could not share this medicine with Bulgarians? And we will actively support its action. Indeed, the majority of Bulgarians believe that the referendum in the Crimea - this is the beginning of a new era for world politics. If the Bulgarian authorities do not understand, they go against the interests of their own people. "

    http://www.iarex.ru/news/46310.html

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:00 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Even the most hopeless cases can be partially cured
    http://vz.ru/world/2014/3/18/677754.html
    Yatsenyuk now agrees that the EU agreement isn't viable Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... so the leader of the coup that overthrew the elected government of the Ukraine because it wanted to delay the signing of an agreement with the EU wants to delay the signing of that very same agreement with the EU!!!!

    Just too funny for words.

    The question now is... will the EU and US fund a coup to overthrow the current leadership?

    For their interfering they have ended up with the Crimea back in the Russian Federation... perhaps they want to suggest to South Ossetia and Abkazia that now would be a good time to hold referendums too....  Laughing Laughing lol! 

    so putin took crimea from ukraine and into russia without a bullet fired ,bombing campaign etc.... ,right in front of eu and usa , im impressed the guys got the balls of a bull.

    I doubt Putin planned this... the US and EU just did what they have been doing for the last decade and a bit and presented their King to Putin on a plate... can't blame him for taking the opportunity to take back what should never have been given in the first place.

    Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

    After all they did vote in Tina Fey as governor so they clearly don't care who is in charge...

    First yatsenyuk suddenly agrees with Yanukovich's original stance on the EU agreement that they so bitterly hated hime for, and now this. Its like a tragic comedy...

    It is pretty obvious what is happening... Yatsenyuk promised to kick the Russians out of Sevastopol and sign the agreement selling out the Ukraine to the EU, but now the Crimea is lost and having properly read the EU agreement he knows it will be the end of the Ukraine anyway. He knows the west wont support him if he continues to get no result and he also knows in a free and fair election he wont keep power anyway.

    He has clearly decided that the Ukraine will be split and he is clearly trying to ensure that part of the Ukraine becomes part of the EU.

    If the Ukraine splits down ethnic lines then half will become part of Russia and part independent... how long will that independent part survive without the EU? and they wont be allowed to enter the EU or NATO as a split fragment of a country.

    the ship is going down and the father is trying to throw the baby onto the Uboat that sunk the liner they were sailing on.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:55 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:^^^From the same news site:

    73% OF BULGARIANS SUPPORT THE REUNIFICATION OF THE CRIMEA WITH RUSSIA

    Bulgarian news agency "Focus" conducted a reader poll on the topic: "Should Bulgaria to recognize the results of the referendum in the Crimea?"

    According to the survey, 72.86% believe that Bulgaria should accept the outcome of the referendum, 23, 96% answered in the negative, and the rest do not have a position.

    Head of the NGO "United for Bulgaria" Dimitar Zdravkov commented for IA REX survey results:

    "The position of the Bulgarian authorities and the people of Bulgaria is diametrically. Bulgarians with great interest and hope to follow the development of the situation in Ukraine. Many see Russia as a liberator from the European Union, which brought the country to poverty and demographic catastrophe. I have just returned from Russia, and amazed by positive changes that occur in it. If Putin found a cure for the collapse of Russia, he could not share this medicine with Bulgarians? And we will actively support its action. Indeed, the majority of Bulgarians believe that the referendum in the Crimea - this is the beginning of a new era for world politics. If the Bulgarian authorities do not understand, they go against the interests of their own people. "

    http://www.iarex.ru/news/46310.html

    Unfortunately that's the silent majority. In bulgarian TV, independent internet news and newspapers its almost all the time a rant about the supposed stupidity, backwardness hopelesssness for bulgaria that its people agree with russia. Unfortunately the most vocal mouthpieces in bulgaria come from emmigrants that get fat western paychecks or so-called political experts that always slander the proleftist(and also prorussian) contingent majority as "uncivilised undeucated losers and pensionnaires that are brainwashed by commies". Ad nauseum. And the problem is that they have the most vocal protests here giving the impression as if we love the EU.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:21 am

    zino wrote:I don't share the humor running in this thread

    "Ukraine says it is leaving the Moscow-led Commonwealth of Independent States and is preparing military exercises with the US and UK"
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26645477
    "National Security Council acting head: Ukraine decides to quit CIS"
    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/724459
    "Ukraine intends to introduce visa regulations with Russia"
    interfax.com

    Things are escalating so much. Hard days ahead.

    Now Yatsenyuk is backing down from introducing visas. Guess he realized that Ukr guest workers in Russia bring the country a tenth of its GDP
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:45 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:^^^From the same news site:

    73% OF BULGARIANS SUPPORT THE REUNIFICATION OF THE CRIMEA WITH RUSSIA

    Bulgarian news agency "Focus" conducted a reader poll on the topic: "Should Bulgaria to recognize the results of the referendum in the Crimea?"

    According to the survey, 72.86% believe that Bulgaria should accept the outcome of the referendum, 23, 96% answered in the negative, and the rest do not have a position.

    Head of the NGO "United for Bulgaria" Dimitar Zdravkov commented for IA REX survey results:

    "The position of the Bulgarian authorities and the people of Bulgaria is diametrically. Bulgarians with great interest and hope to follow the development of the situation in Ukraine. Many see Russia as a liberator from the European Union, which brought the country to poverty and demographic catastrophe. I have just returned from Russia, and amazed by positive changes that occur in it. If Putin found a cure for the collapse of Russia, he could not share this medicine with Bulgarians? And we will actively support its action. Indeed, the majority of Bulgarians believe that the referendum in the Crimea - this is the beginning of a new era for world politics. If the Bulgarian authorities do not understand, they go against the interests of their own people. "

    http://www.iarex.ru/news/46310.html

    Not to tell you about the Greeks
    (they dont even dear to ask the question here ...)
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    zino wrote:I don't share the humor running in this thread

    "Ukraine says it is leaving the Moscow-led Commonwealth of Independent States and is preparing military exercises with the US and UK"
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26645477
    "National Security Council acting head: Ukraine decides to quit CIS"
    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/724459
    "Ukraine intends to introduce visa regulations with Russia"
    interfax.com

    Things are escalating so much. Hard days ahead.

    Now Yatsenyuk is backing down from introducing visas. Guess he realized that Ukr guest workers in Russia bring the country a tenth of its GDP
    or even .. imagine Ukranians to need visas to visit Donietsk (in a while..)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:54 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:^^^From the same news site:

    [size=18.18181800842285]73% OF BULGARIANS SUPPORT THE REUNIFICATION OF THE CRIMEA WITH RUSSIA[/size]

    Bulgarian news agency "Focus" conducted a reader poll on the topic: "Should Bulgaria to recognize the results of the referendum in the Crimea?"

    According to the survey, 72.86% believe that Bulgaria should accept the outcome of the referendum, 23, 96% answered in the negative, and the rest do not have a position.

    Head of the NGO "United for Bulgaria" Dimitar Zdravkov commented for IA REX survey results:

    "The position of the Bulgarian authorities and the people of Bulgaria is diametrically. Bulgarians with great interest and hope to follow the development of the situation in Ukraine. Many see Russia as a liberator from the European Union, which brought the country to poverty and demographic catastrophe. I have just returned from Russia, and amazed by positive changes that occur in it. If Putin found a cure for the collapse of Russia, he could not share this medicine with Bulgarians? And we will actively support its action. Indeed, the majority of Bulgarians believe that the referendum in the Crimea - this is the beginning of a new era for world politics. If the Bulgarian authorities do not understand, they go against the interests of their own people. "

    http://www.iarex.ru/news/46310.html

    Not to tell you about the Greeks
    (they dont even dear to ask the question here ...)

    I believe you, and the reason for that is the fact that the Russian Empire played the biggest factor in defeating and destroying the Ottoman Empire in WW1, retaliation for their part in the Crimean War. Since the destruction of the Ottomans, the Greek population has been pro-Russian ever since (even if their leaders haven't), plus Orthodox Christian countries are usually friendly towards each other (with the exception of Romania).
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    Post  macedonian on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:02 pm

    This gets more and more hilarious by the minute:

    Canadian Province Considers Russian Booze Ban

    Can wrote:REGINA — Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall says the province is considering banning Russian booze in government-run liquor stores because of Russia's actions in Ukraine.
    Link

    This is an excellent marketing opportunity for Russian Vodka.
    They should use something like 'Neo-Cons do not approve' or similar...the sales of Russian Vodka will rocket!


    Here's a comment made by an American guy on a forum:
    A guy on a random internet forum wrote:This just makes me want to buy extra Russian vodka now.
    These fucking sanctimonious arseholes make me ashamed to be from 'the West'.
    and this by another guy:
    another guy wrote:So the Canadians are threatening to ban Russian vodka as a sign of support for Nazis who used American money to stage a coup in the Ukraine. I think I will stop drinking Canadian Club as a sign of support for common sense.

    LoL
    Good work on ridiculing yourself 'West'...
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    Post  SOC on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:31 pm

    Nope. That's not funny. This? THIS is HILARIOUS.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/will-first-3-billion-ukraine-bailout-immediately-go-russia

    "Also, here's a funny aside. Those who've been following zero hedge might have already heard of it...

    Remember that $3 billion loan Putin gave to Yanukovych last December? Apparently, it has a clause that stipulates that as soon as Ukraine's debt-to-GDP ratio exceeds 60%, that loan goes into immediate redemption. If IMF actually loans that promised $15 billion to Ukrainian government, that ratio would certainly be achieved, so the IMF money would go straight into Russia.

    Turns out, that loan was secured under UK law, which means that there is almost no way for Ukraine and/or IMF to avoid this."
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    Post  macedonian on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:37 pm

    ^^
    Indeed.
    I'll just quote part of my own post on the Mistral thread:
    Macedonian wrote:This is like watching a Benigni comedy of international politics.


    Edit
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    BREAKING: Defense official says France is ready to send warplanes to the Baltics, Poland.

    PLEASE read the comments lol
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order   Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

    If the US is pressuring and pursuing further development of ABM in Spain and east europe Poland than Russia should invest money to install puppets into Iceland and Greenland and than install there an ABM and a referendum in Alaska and a russian ABM there would checkmate the entire US plans once and for all time.

    Edit: I better add some evil smileys before you people think i am serious.
     Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:11 pm

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    Post  macedonian on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:07 pm

    ^^^
    I can't help feeling sorry for the Ukrainian sailors.
    I hope they still consider the Russians their brothers, and see this charade for what it is: a western backed attempt at 'divide and conquer'.

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