You want "security guarantee's"? Earn them, the hard fought way. The Americans earn theirs their way (whatever your opinions of it that may be). But to beg..... how low can you fall under the veneer of "responsible politics" and "strategic patience"...
Nobody is begging... Putin stated Russias position and asked for guarantees... I very much doubt he expected any at all, but either way Russias position is now clear.
When the west crosses these red lines, which they want to do and probably would have done anyway... there was no point spelling them out if they didn't think they needed to say something... then Russia will push the wests buttons and cross some of their red lines... they are not going to bomb places or invade anyone, but things the west get all precious about will be places for Russia to push.
It's a failed policy. As shown today. Appeasement more often than not doesn't work - specially when dealing with Anglo-Saxons/Germans (what is history if not a guide). The Romans knew how to deal with them... take a book and read.
This is not appeasement... Russia has not given up anything at all... they have just stated their concerns publicly... the west can continue to ignore them like they have for the last 30 years... and I rather suspect they will... but unlike in the past, Russia has stated its red lines so it wont just ignore when they are crossed... I rather suspect there will be counter moves in response... which is what is new.
Not begging and not backing down and not just responding but also acting in their own interests and ignoring western interests... which is something the US excels at but is not used to Russia doing.... but they better get used to it.
Those responsible for such failed policies would obviously in a perfect world see the door out,
If that were the case there would be no western hemisphere left... all their clever plays have backfired and produced real gains and real independence for Russia to the point where they are now able to do this...
Not even at the height of friendly Cuban-Soviet relations did the Soviets give Cuba a defense/security pact like the U.S has with Japan or Korea
The US currently occupies Japan and South Korea like the imperial power they are... their security guarantees are merely to protect the troops they have stationed there... ask the Afghans.
What we see is that for little to no bloodshed, Russia has regathered the entire former soviet union.
Not all of it... quite a few bits are not worth it...
They made some mistakes in the past on this front. But everyone, including lowly rank soldiers, in their criticism of the relationship, somehow point that the Soviets never gave the security pact.... you can only imagine what those with brains really think.
Just shows the western mentality though doesn't it... countries can't just be friends... willing to provide help when needed without having to be asked... it has to be in writing, but even then you guys screw each other over when it suits.
BTW despite all your holier than thou crap no security agreement with a western country was ever worth a damn anyway....
You would call it a chess move... a block till you were in a position to butcher them and steal their stuff, or to use it as justification for attacking someone else and getting all their stuff.
Fun times ahead.... cause bluffs are easy to call out.
Agree on both counts which is why I am so happy... Putin is not one to mix words or betray his purpose... this is not something the west can call him on without consequences... the poker game has been going on for quite some time now and while Putin started with a terrible hand that had good potential he is playing with a group of idiots led by a chief idiot that makes George Bush Jnr look clever... the amount of stupid in the west over Russia is embarassing, but every time they get it wrong... Putin master bond villain... or Trump or some other excuse... so the broken system never gets fixed and just keeps digging a deeper and deeper hole for itself... eventually the west is going to have to start relying on the good will of its large neighbour and honestly I don't think there is much left.
I guess I should know better as the average idiot on the net amounts to billions... law of averages applies.
There is wrong and there is willfully wrong.... and I fully understand.... you clearly believe western bullshit about west = right and anything else = wrong.... yeah we are total
but imagine if China or Russia were in charge... ignoring the fact that nobody should be in charge actually and that nobody would actually do a better job than self interested narcissists like the US.
Congratulations on lowering the average for this forum.
Kinda funny how so many continue to try to pin my nationality down to use that against me somehow... even with all the hints I've dropped around..... funny to see.
Don't really care... your views are enough to show you are wrong.
While kosovo justified just about everything that took place around 2015.
Actually completely ignored in the west but Kosovo declaring independence created the situation in Georgia and South Ossetia.
When Kosovo declared independence Russia opened its borders to Abkhazia and South Ossetia... with the opening of free trade both regions were no longer bound to Tiblisi and were able to thrive... that is why the tie eater invaded... because he knew the longer he left it the harder it would be to get it back by any means including force.
He picked the weaker of the two and attacked... and lost everything.
As for Russia projecting power around the periphery it has done much more including installing the orange president of America
Funny, but not true... Russia wouldn't interfere in US elections because 90kgs of shit or 85kgs of shit is still shit in anyones language... and sometimes the smaller piles are the hardest to reason with.
the US navy wont be intercepting zircons, not when its GBI cannot intercept pre planned re entry of satellite and missiles.
The US will successfully intercept Zircon missiles... mostly with the Pentagon building and a few other buildings along that coast.
somehow trying to spin that Serbians are better off this way....
They are trying to do the best with what they have.... Russia was in no better situation to help them than the US was to help the Georgian forces invade South Ossetia...
The west is broken... they just need to ride it out.
Those who got access to russian achieves have stated it's even more than 31m, in the end, the true extent will never be known.
The surviving nazis that strangely got high up jobs within HATO really really fast, actually blamed the nazis and then denied being one when the war ended, but it was all the german soldiers who killed people with no consequence. Women soviet soldiers were murdered and never taken prisoner, though rape was often something that happened before the bullet.
It was a genuine genocide and easily explains why the people who suffered the most under Stalins rule chose to fight the invaders...
Trolls these days.
Trust that there are maps of this at Langley and Vauxhall Cross. The real ones, should it ever happen.
Is it an accident that the rest of the world is black and labelled the Jewish Republic?
The west has been making delusional maps for centuries... can't expect them to stop now... doesn't mean anything though... it is the 2020s... not the 1920s when you could get away with that...
Just like the American bases on the border with Russia. An easy target for Russia. The problem is that the project 885M or 949AM submarine off the US East and West coast is already a very difficult target. The 949AM from 72 Cirkon has the impact of the SSBN.In this situation, Russia is in a better position than the USA. Much of the US economy is on the coast.
Not to mention Poseidon... for shifting the coast...
But it's true, if the noise is too uncomfortable on the conditioning, ignoring will do just the trick. Can't catch feels if you can't see it. "Ignorance is bliss" .... "I wanna be someone important, like an actor" "I want to remember nothing, you hear me, nothing".
Denial to the end.... the real irony is that on a pro western forum you would have been banned long ago for not drinking from the fountain of coolaide...
Till then beware Russia puts back the orange phenom back in the Casablanca via hacking come 2024, I'm sure CNN will be talking all about it
It is Russian interference only if he wins... and his whole term asking for investigations to prove it was a mistake... except when a democrat wins of course... then any irregularities.... well irregularities has regularities in it so it is fine... move on or you are a domestic terrorist for asking for a recount...
Russia slept on the Ukraine affair or they saw an opportunity to cut out the tumor is Ukraine and get what was really important - Crimea.
Ukraine was never their ally so there was nothing to lose... even now they say they have nothing in the game... this is ukrainians vs ukrainians... but of course for many Russians ukraine is russia so they do... but until these ukrainians decide they want to be Russians again... what should moscow be doing for them?
Right now they are doing the bare minimum, but then they seem to be a sensible well organised and well motivated group who just need a few things and a few bits of help you can't buy from the blackmarket... and they are likely getting that.
Does this mean the gloves are off internationally for Russia?
I don't think they will be bombing or invading or regime changing like the west does, but I don't think they will sit back and passively react and respond when attacked or provoked. They are likely to start acting in their own interests, even when it conflicts with western interests... you know... the way the west has been acting... forever...
Doing what America does overseas? Maybe over assistance to allied states in south and central America? Maybe even keeping some bombers and missiles in their lands?
Russia has largely kept out of the americas and africa up until now... I think expanding their navy and also expanding their trade ties will also help them bypass western sanctions and expand their economy and also boost the growth and development of the countries they seek to trade with.
Someone else suggested that as nothing that didn't have any effect on DC politicians would have any effect then some kind of no military hit on the US mainland, like shutting down electricity networks, would be needed to jerk them into reality.
Well accusations of Russian government supported hacking into energy infrastructure without proof and without apology when proven wrong might lead to said government hacking attack, though that would be a slippery slope... the US has already justified electronic attacks on Russia for various claimed attacks...
Personally, apart from economically and politically isolating itself from the US and EU and building trade ties with the rest of the world, I don't think they need to do a lot else.
The West should be careful what path they choose to walk
After rejecting equal partnership all these years I wouldn't trust them now even if they made the offer... the fine print on page 2,364 would be... our fingers are crossed when we signed this so we didn't mean it...