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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:15 pm

    Arrow wrote:Nonsense The US can do absolutely nothing to Russia and China anymore.

    Russian MSM is very tabloid in nature. Kedmi fits this role since he routinely appears on Russian TV to make sensational analysis.

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:59 pm



    Worth listening to the whole video. The detail I want to highlight is the anonymous policy paper which frets over a
    China-Russia alliance and proposes to "inform" the Russian people about how China "riding rough shod" over Russia's
    economic interests.

    American deciders are utterly fucked in the head. This is intellectually insulting BS. As if Russians can't tell, without
    yanqui help, that they are in some sort of supposedly bad economic arrangement with China. Since I have been
    following Russian economics since the 1990s (and before) I can inform the idiot author of this rubbish that Russia's
    economic relationship with China shows not sign of any problems. Russia is even finding a Chinese market for
    its food exports. Chinese products are not flooding Russia in any fashion that would undermine Russia's industry.
    In fact, that sort of flooding occurred in the 1990s under Yeltsin and nearly wiped out Russia's economy. The US
    was all in favour of this "free trade" back then. Now it pretends to care about Russia's economy over China.

    GTFO.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:01 pm

    New US sanctions could actually BOOST Russian economy, Moscow trade officials say, with more goods & products being made at home.
    22.3.2021

    Another round of American economic measures aimed against Russia could have the unintended effect of strengthening the country’s economy, officials in Moscow have warned as Washington considers introducing new embargoes this week.

    “Fresh US sanctions will only intensify the process of switching away from dependency on imports in our technological supply chains,” a spokesperson for the Ministry of Industry and Trade told RIA Novosti on Monday. Instead, the department said, “the money used to pay for imports will stay in the country and go towards employees’ salaries and developing new enterprises.”

    At the beginning of March, the US State Department announced it would target nine Russian businesses and one research institute over allegations they were involved in a secretive chemical weapons development program. The Kremlin has denied these charges, with spokesman Dmitry Peskov insisting that “Russia has no chemical weapons.”

    Last week, the head of a scientific equipment wholesaler, whose firm was among those targeted by Washington, said the assertions were “nonsense.” According to Andrey Mezinov, the director general of Femteko LLC, the company had only ever supplied two low-value shipments of everyday equipment to government research labs. Femteko is now considering legal options to reverse the move by the State Department.

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade is reportedly already engaged in “import substitution” in the radio-electronic industry, offering subsidies, tax incentives, and raising demand in exchange for Russian companies manufacturing parts that would otherwise need to be shipped in. “Moreover, the radio electronics market today is not only technologies from the United States, it includes a number of available products from other countries,” the press service added.

    These initiatives, officials say, will shore up industries like aviation against the prospect of Western sanctions. The MS-21, an advanced passenger jet under development by the United Aircraft Corporation, a state company, has already been equipped with domestically-made engines and composite wings for test flights. “The aircraft will become Russian by more than 98 percent,” the ministry added.

    Speaking to ABC News last week, US President Joe Biden said that his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, would “pay a price” for alleged interference in favor of Donald Trump during the 2020 presidential election. After a report was published alleging Moscow tried to meddle in the campaign, American media reported that sanctions could be published as early as this week.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/518780-us-sanctions-boost-economy/

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    Post  franco Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm

    Does Russia need a strategic pause in relations with the United States?

    MOSCOW, 1 april 2021, RUSSTRAT Institute. The question of whether Russia needs a strategic pause in relations with the United States, because the time of resets has passed, is largely rhetorical. Firstly, Russia has no pause in relations with the United States, and it is impossible. Unless one of these two countries leaves Earth and goes to Mars.

    Secondly, there were no resets and no plans - by this word, the United States understood a new perestroika in Russia, i.e., the policy of its unilateral concessions and the surrender of its strategic national interests to the West. This was the last "reload" button of Clinton.

    If anything has passed, it is the time for such hopes for the United States. You can call it a reset, but more precisely - the capitulation of Russia. The US suggested to surrender, but Russia refused. The question is closed.

    Now Russia and the United States are in close contact on the entire range of issues on the international global agenda. Some suggest that Russia should stop automatically responding by agreeing to discuss with the United States any issue they raise. They say that this is how we will express our sovereignty.

    In fact, Russia cannot and should not refuse such an automatic consent to discussion. To discuss is not to agree. To discuss means to conduct your own policy, to try to influence, to formulate arguments and to voice them to the whole world. The United States is still the most powerful state, and it is able to force a response to its actions. So why abandon such a reaction, only to return to it later under the pressure of circumstances?

    No matter how unusual the order may be in the Biden-Harris administration, as they now say in the White House, accustoming the world to the upcoming transfer, it is impossible to evade the agenda imposed by the United States, and it is not necessary.

    The US is just a concentrated expression of the problem. If its decision is put on pause, the problem will find a way to get into our lives and poison it. Therefore, there is no pause – neither tactical, nor operational, nor strategic - in the war with the United States.

    But a change of tactics is possible. What Russia is doing, in military parlance, is called regrouping forces before new battles. The United States is also engaged in this regrouping. If there is a pause, it is at the level of operations, not in the strategy. The strategy is the same-either we or they. The third is not given.

    Now two coalitions are being formed: the US-Japan-Australia-EU-Britain-India and Russia-China. The fact that the United States has more countries in the coalition does not mean anything – Japan and Britain can not be counted – the Americans have shown how two strikes can lead a country out of war. In war, it is not the quantity that matters, but the quality of the divisions ("you will have eight divisions, but unfortunately Italian ones"). The EU needs the US for technical issues, not for military ones.

    The United States itself last tried itself in a war with a real enemy in the Ardennes, where, as we know, without the help of the USSR, they would have been defeated by the Wehrmacht. The United States knows perfectly well what will happen to them when they meet with an army stronger than the Vietnamese. Modelling is not reality. And in the United States, therefore, they compensate for war with psychological pressure, trying to isolate opponents.

    Russia is pursuing a strategy of revenge for the collapse of the USSR, it is moving to consolidate the lost territories. The same strategy of revenge and consolidation is being pursued by China, Britain and Turkey. This means that the US no longer has a monopoly on domination. Their power is challenged. And so the US strategy is a reaction, a hold at all costs. Neither the US nor Russia can stop the interaction of strategies. Only the forms of communication change.

    In the absence of public negotiations, negotiations are not terminated through closed channels, through intermediaries and with the participation of third parties. Bilateral negotiations turn into multilateral ones – coalitions are formed to put pressure on the opponent. This process is continuous, it is impossible to get out of it. The United States never agrees with anyone, and hopes for this are utopian.

    The situation will be resolved not by a treaty, but by the disintegration of the world into two worlds, two systems. Only instead of the USSR, there will be an alliance of Russia and China. The US will become the other pole. Between them, in no man's land, there will be other countries seeking to maintain relations with all parties, and it will all end with a new system of blocs, which the United States will try to cement in a new form. Lavrov's proposal to China to create an alternative to the dollar is a blow delivered precisely and on time.

    The Russia-China strategy is now more important than the Russia-US strategy. The Russian-Chinese alliance will ultimately determine the fate of the United States and the entire collective West. That is precisely why the United States is so alarmed and does so many stupid things.

    https://qn7veek3vy676ftip3x3nsvd5y--russtrat-ru.translate.goog/en/comments_/1-april-2021-1420-3688

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:03 am

    Another factor is that the groups mentioned are not set in stone... it is likely that US demands will make India rethink its choices to be part of that grouping and if cooler smarter heads prevail in India you could see India joining Russia and China in a grouping.... remember the US grouping is the US making the decisions and policies and telling the other countries what to do and when... the Russia China team will not have one or the other country dictating to the other... they will likely just endevour to cooperate when it comes to the "other" group.

    If India join that they will be full and equal partners.... I doubt they would ever get such status in the US group and even if they did the countries like Australia and Japan would likely resent their extra power/freedom.

    China and Russia are not about crushing the enemy and maintaining monopolies and colonies around the world... both countries are interested in free and open competition... a situation that would benefit Indian growth too.

    China has made enormous strides in growth and development, and so has Russia but their are less obvious... the point is that all three countries have come from bad financial and social places, but Russia and China are not asking or demanding help and support and handouts... they just want fair trade with anyone they choose, without sanctions or US or western interference... don't most normal functional countries really want that?

    If India changes sides then there is a good chance that BRICS could become an economic and political entity that is completely open to expansion over time... the real rot starts when countries who want to go for a ride and get a free ride paid for by others... ie like the EU essentially expecting the US to pay for HATO for them when they can afford it... and if they had to pay for it I am sure it would be reduced to a genuinely defensive force that is suitable for the non existent threat they would need it for.
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    Post  George1 Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:13 pm

    Biden signs decree introducing new sanctions against Russia

    https://en.topwar.ru/182018-bajden-podpisal-ukaz-vvodjaschij-novye-sankcii-v-otnoshenii-rossii.html
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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:48 pm

    There has been some talk of Biden appointing Matthew Rojansky as his Russia advisor. This would be a good pick. Rojansky is one of the very few real Russia specialists who has a brain. He is the head of the Kennan institute.  The whole anti Russia wing is in meltdown mode over it.

    https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1381487509398491138?s=19
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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:16 am

    So how does Russia retaliate? Sure they will expell a bunch of Americans. Do they start rerouting US airlines to very unfavorable paths again and fucking with the US supply chain costs? Now the US is threathening to target the Ruble by banning banks from buying Ruble denominated debt. How does Russia counter this? Should the threaten to flood the world with forged US currency? Can they start manipulating commodities markets to harm the US? To me targeting the Russian finance system is rapidly approaching an act of war, if it has not already crossed the line.
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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:56 am

    mnztr wrote:So how does Russia retaliate? Sure they will expell a bunch of Americans. Do they start rerouting US airlines to very unfavorable paths again and fucking with the US supply chain costs? Now the US is threathening to target the Ruble by banning banks from buying Ruble denominated debt. How does Russia counter this? Should the threaten to flood the world with forged US currency? Can they start manipulating commodities markets to harm the US? To me targeting the Russian finance system is rapidly approaching an act of war, if it has not already crossed the line.

    I had the same reaction.

    But apparently these new Russian debt sanctions only ban primary investors and not secondary so it's almost literally nothing. At least according to Ben Aris who is a business news editor
    https://twitter.com/bneeditor/status/1382821085729730566?s=19

    Still. Russia needs to counter sanction. People think that Russia doesn't retaliate because it cant. This is not true. They aren't retaliating by choice.

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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:03 am

    Evaluation of the solar winds situation is that it was resposibly done, non-destructive and pretty much typical for intelligence agencies. The Russians could have made it very damaging. I understand it was in retaliation to the US putting some trojans into computers that govern the Russian electrical grid. So it was more of a warning and demonstration of capabilities. The US is dumb enough to think they found everything and that no backdoors or bombs were left behind. I wonder if Putin will still take the meeting but I wait with bated breath to see what happens next. Maybe they should pull out of START, threaten to sell Iran long range missiles.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:28 pm

    I am sure Putin will take the time to make sure any counter sanctions benefit Russia and do the necessary damage to the US, but the obvious solution is to seriously think about breaking off all diplomatic relations and leave them to bitch and moan about shit to each other like they do at G7 meetings.

    It was funny Trump talking about G8 and getting Russia back in... the other 6 hated the idea but even Russia said no.... why would they want to sit in a room and have 7 has been countries moaning and bitching about made up shit they are accusing Russia of doing.

    Russia has an economy to develop and grow, the west is over.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:36 pm



    Lavrov has given the yanquis a swift kick in the 'nads.

    1) The US will no longer be allowed to hire Russian citizens and citizens of 3rd countries to work for its consulates in Russia.

    2) The US will no longer be allowed to send over hundreds of "diplomats" on short term working trips to Russia.   If the US
    needs to rotate its staff it will have to suffer a reduction in its presence in Russia.  

    Russia actually does not have parity in terms of "diplomats" with the USA.   Both have 450 members but the Russian contingent
    in the USA also includes UN representatives.    This is obscene.   The UN is an international diplomatic venue so there cannot be
    any limit on the Russian presence there and it cannot be counted as "US presence of Russian diplomats".   Since Russian UN
    workers number 150 it means that proper parity would be for the USA to have 300 diplomatic staff at its missions in Russia.
    Lavrov stated that if the US continues with its belligerence it will be told to reduce its Russian diplomatic presence by 150.

    Russia and the USA have an agreement as to the terms under which lower ranking diplomats can travel beyond 25 miles from
    the embassy or consulate.   The US side systematically violates this agreement by having its lower ranking diplomats traipse
    over all of Russia without making the mandatory request for approval.   Russia has started the process of renouncing the agreement
    and will then treat such trespassers appropriately.    

    The legacy of the days of Yeltsin's comprador regime is fading fast.   Arrogant yanqui swine have taken way too much for granted.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:41 pm

    And Putin continues to call the USA a partner. I wonder if he will meet with Biden?
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    Post  par far Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:45 pm

    Arrow wrote:And Putin continues to call the USA a partner.  I wonder if he will meet with Biden?


    When Putin call's the USA or the west partners, it drives them crazy. Of course Putin will meet with Biden(not right now but sometime in the future), Russia will talk to anyone, like we have seen in Syria. Russia knows diplomacy.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:53 pm

    US ambassador expelled from Russia

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    Post  LMFS Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:18 pm

    Was he officially expelled or only given the recommendation to take a time out?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:26 pm

    LMFS wrote:Was he officially expelled or only given the recommendation to take a time out?
    US Ambassador is kicked out of Russia in everything but name.

    https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1383110762248470537

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:28 pm

    LMFS wrote:Was he officially expelled or only given the recommendation to take a time out?

    Sounds like he can come back when the Russian ambassador goes to the US again. The date is not currently determined.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:30 pm


    CNBC's 2¢

    U.S. sanctions on Russia ‘mostly symbolic’ and will not trouble Moscow, economists say

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/16/economists-us-sanctions-mostly-symbolic-and-wont-trouble-russia.html

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:08 pm

    par far wrote:
    Arrow wrote:And Putin continues to call the USA a partner.  I wonder if he will meet with Biden?


    When Putin call's the USA or the west partners, it drives them crazy. Of course Putin will meet with Biden(not right now but sometime in the future), Russia will talk to anyone, like we have seen in Syria. Russia knows diplomacy.

    You are really optimistic about Bidens lifespan. Laughing

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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:01 am

    https://mtracey.substack.com/p/biden-blames-russia-for-the-exact

    Deliberately vague weasel-word terms like “election interference” and/or “influence” gained such purchase in the past four-to-five years for a simple reason: the deliberate vagueness allowed people in power — elected officials, pundits, Intelligence Community functionaries — to claim unspecified expertise on a supposedly emerging range of threats.

    The threats were portrayed as particularly scary because of their alleged potential to Undermine Our Democracy. Consequently, these power-wielding people acquired a potent tool in their arsenal to accuse political enemies, whether foreign or domestic, of contributing to the proliferation of new and scary threats. The accusations were so deliberately vague that it was almost impossible to ever rebut them; sometimes even retweeting a meme was sufficient to be implicated in a foreign plot to destroy the very foundations of America. If an act so trivial as clicking one’s mouse on a social media post could be spun as abetting a foreign-backed “interference” or “influence” scheme, then that created an endless number of booby-traps for you to walk into.

    So there was nothing new about the suite of anti-Russia charges promulgated Thursday by the US federal government, and parroted as usual with maximum credulity across the US media ecosystem. The charges were again predicated on the idea that Russian “interference” and/or “influence” is an extremely foreboding test for the survival of US Democracy. Taking bold action, the Treasury Department levied sanctions against a bunch more Russians for their claimed nefarious behavior in carrying out this interference/influence — a fulfillment of Joe Biden’s oft-stated campaign pledge that under his watch, Russia would finally “pay a price” for allegedly engaging in such activities. Donald Trump, it was thought, had been appallingly lax in his resolve to confront this threat; now, a new sheriff is in town.

    Leaving aside the question of whether it’s prudent to assume that Janet Yellen is suddenly in possession of a foolproof methodology for attributing the provenance of “cyber operations” to specific foreign individuals and nation-states, it’s worth emphasizing what exactly is being alleged in the statement. The Treasury Department document reads: “Outlets operated by Russian Intelligence Services focus on divisive issues in the United States, denigrate US political candidates, and disseminate false and misleading information.”

    Noting that these same characteristics could be just as easily applied to US corporate media outlets is so blindingly self-evident as to almost be redundant. Were there not “outlets” during the 2020 election that were “focused” on “denigrating” Donald Trump? Or for that matter, Joe Biden? Do “divisive issues” not tend to be “focused on” by these same outlets as a basic precept of their core business model?

    Controversy = clicks/views, which equals revenue.

    Everyone knows this.

    Yet when scary Russian outlets are said to employ this same logic in their own content-production enterprises, it magically becomes dangerous enough to justify all manner of punitive government and corporate action. Including but not limited to: censorship purges, tighter regulation of online speech, and, as Biden announced Thursday, sanctions and expulsion of diplomats. “Disseminating false and misleading information”? The entire US media just got caught “disseminating” a fake story about Russians putting bounties on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan. If you’re truly concerned about the dissemination of “false and misleading information” having deleterious effects on the health of US political culture, your first target should be CNN.

    One of these supposedly-scary Russian “outlets” identified by the Treasury Department is the website SouthFront. (Gee, way to give them far more publicity than they could’ve possibly generated on their own. I’m sure more than .001% of Americans had heard of this obscure website before this week.) SouthFront is alleged to have committed the grave crime of having “sought to promote perceptions of voter fraud” after the 2020 election. I wrote extensively at the time about how the “perceptions of voter fraud” promoted by Trump and his media allies were mostly ill-founded, overblown, and illogical, and it’s true that consumers of fraud-obsessed media coverage often became more-than-a-little deranged. But that’s not the point: the point is whether or not promoting these theories constitutes some sort of terrifying “interference” that requires a forceful punitive response. In which case, the entirety of US right-wing media could be deemed as complicit, requiring vast state-backed retaliation (which may well be the long-term goal). Promoting ill-founded perceptions of political events might be bad, but it doesn’t generally rise to the level of Democracy-Threatening Existential Crisis unless you have some other motivation for raising it to that level.

    In any event, Biden declared a “national emergency” with respect to this vague threat, on the ground that Russia had violated the “sacred” nature of US presidential elections by way of these website postings — even though the criteria invoked would apply to an infinitely wide array of US “outlets” that do exactly the same thing. Nonetheless, it’s henceforth an “emergency” to be on the lookout for irrelevant amateur websites like SouthFront. (Aside: Does anyone really view as “sacred” America’s multi-year presidential election rituals, into which billions of unregulated dollars are poured? Most Normies seem to be actively disdainful of presidential election melodrama and the attention/resources these rituals consume, rather than worshipful of their “sacredness.”)

    In his remarks, Biden also introduced what is possibly an even vaguer term than “interference” or “influence” to describe this horrifyingly ever-present threat: Russia, he alleged, was guilty of “engagement in our elections.” And again, this “engagement” was said to consist of Russian Government-backed websites publishing posts about issues related to the 2020 US presidential election.

    So now we have an official “national emergency” declared vis-a-vis Russia’s conduct in orchestrating website posts, which has in turn been lumped into another “emergency” that apparently encompasses the ongoing escalation of conflict in Eastern Ukraine — a geopolitical domain Joe Biden has always taken a keen interest in. And this is largely being received not as an ominous development in US relations with a nuclear-armed power, but instead as a cheerful sign that the US has returned to asserting its rightful global dominance.

    One neat trick of this whole rhetorical framework is that foreign “interference,” “influence,” and “engagement” will obviously never be completely curtailed, especially if these things consist of internet postings. Therefore, the framework authorizes a perpetual war-like footing against Russia (or whatever country is next in the line of sight) which is especially convenient if you are interested in waging a New Cold War to garner whatever benefits (political, military, economic) you calculate comes with doing so. The rationale for keeping this ridiculous tit-for-tat going in perpetuity is clear — but don’t expect much clarity on that score from the US media, which always takes delight in blaming scary foreign entities for partaking in the exact same Democracy Undermining behavior that it’s guilty of itself.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:17 pm

    I think the most effective response is really the massive limits they place on US NGOs and embassy staff/visits. They really need to lock down the USA. I think the fact they over retaliated and invited the US Ambassador to leave (after which he was recalled as a face saving gesture) demonstrated that there was enough displeasure that the US withdrew its two destroyer vist and instead will send the UK stooges there instead, just to further lower the risk of direct confrontation

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