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    Russia - USA Relations

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:47 am

    Smart piece:

    Trump's election would be bad news for Russia, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 01.25.2024..

    The election of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States in 2016 was remembered for the genuine jubilation of a certain part of the Russian establishment and the popping of champagne corks. Many respected people seriously believed that now relations with the United States would return to the time of bouquets and candy, friendly pats on the back, safe studies for their offspring at Yale and other attributes of the “well-fed noughties.”

    Four Trump years flew by unnoticed and somehow indistinctly, and after them came grandfather Dementiy, but now there is a very high probability that Trump will return to the White House again.

    Producers of elite champagne have perked up: fun is coming again in serious establishments. How can you not be happy?

    The eternal and powerful enemy of Russia, through the mouth of the US President, in clear English, declares that he respects Putin, that Putin is smart and “he always got along with him,” and in general, Russians are not inherently bad guys, you can live and get along with them and make good money.

    Moreover, Trump promised to end the conflict in Ukraine in 24 hours: “I want people to stop dying. Both Russians and Ukrainians are dying there.” Again: who doesn’t want to end the largest conflict since the Great Patriotic War so that the soldiers can finally return home?

    Trump, a fan of Russia, went even further - he promised to withdraw America from NATO , stop sponsoring the armed forces of Europe and leave them to be devoured by the Russians: “NATO is dead,” “if Europe is attacked, the United States will not come to its aid.” Isn't this wonderful?

    This is fueled by the impatient excitement and open hysteria of Europeans. Once you look at the headlines of the local newspapers, it immediately becomes clear that with the arrival of Trump, the evil Russians will immediately win, and the fluffy Europeans will be driven under the bench with a broom: “Does the European Union need to be afraid of Trump’s return to the White House?” (TV channel Euronews); “Europe prepares to go it alone as Trump heads for the White House” (European version of Politico); "Politicians are worried after Trump's victory in the primary elections" (German TV channel ZDF).

    Against such a benign background, the statements of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov , which he made in an interview with CBS, were a clear dissonance with numerous opinions of respected experts who are confident that Trump’s return will be an unambiguous benefit for Russia (or at least will definitely be significantly better than Biden’s re-election).

    And Lavrov said this: “I don’t believe that there will be any difference (between Trump and Biden).”

    Previously, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov spoke in a similar vein , saying that “Russia has no understanding of how former US President Donald Trump’s election promises to quickly resolve the conflict in Ukraine can be realized.”

    And here two options arise in their heads: either Lavrov and Peskov have not read Trump’s declarations of love for Russia in general and Putin in particular, or they know something that the frantically buying champagne supporters of a strong and sincere friendship with the United States do not know.

    And this is what they know.

    Despite Trump's similar statements on Russia before his first term, he has done nothing during his presidency to improve relations with Russia. Moreover, the US anti-Russian policy has become tougher. A few typical examples: it was under Trump that a record number of “eternal” sanctions were introduced, massive deliveries of lethal weapons like the “Holy Javelina” began to Ukraine (which were slowed down by the most democratic Democrat Obama), the promise to recognize Crimea as Russian was withdrawn, and the Republicans led by Trump did their best to supported with their feet a bipartisan bill to simplify the procedure for confiscation of assets of Russians, proposed in the Senate.

    If you look at Trump’s promise to end the conflict in Ukraine in one day a little more closely than at the cheerful headlines, it also becomes clear that it is too early to rejoice. The fact is that Trump did not say a word about how exactly he wants to end the conflict and what terms of the “deal” to offer Russia. And something suggests that these conditions will completely suit the United States, and no one will even think to ask Russia’s opinion in advance.

    Trump, in an interview with Tucker Carlson, said literally the following: “I would say to Putin: if you don’t make a deal, we will give Zelensky a lot, we will give them more than they ever got if we have to.”

    This means that any “deal” proposed by Trump to Russia will obviously be an ultimatum. For the United States, for many reasons, the result of the SVO in the form in which it was formulated by the leadership of our country is categorically unacceptable. The maximum that they can offer us with a broad gesture is to freeze the conflict so that the Kiev regime, with the help of the West, can recover, strengthen, rearm and begin military operations with redoubled force.

    We wasted four years waiting for positive change during Trump's first presidency while Ukraine rapidly armed itself and trained to kill Russians. And there is no reason to think that in this case everything will be different.

    In addition, Trump is known to have a negative fixation on China . This means that with 100 percent probability, part of the “deal” will be Russia’s obligation to betray its partner.


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    Trump's election would be bad news for Russia
    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at a campaign event in Nashua - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/25/2024
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    The election of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States in 2016 was remembered for the genuine jubilation of a certain part of the Russian establishment and the popping of champagne corks. Many respected people seriously believed that now relations with the United States would return to the time of bouquets and candy, friendly pats on the back, safe studies for their offspring at Yale and other attributes of the “well-fed noughties.”
    Four Trump years flew by unnoticed and somehow indistinctly, and after them came grandfather Dementiy, but now there is a very high probability that Trump will return to the White House again.
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    The eternal and powerful enemy of Russia, through the mouth of the US President, in clear English, declares that he respects Putin, that Putin is smart and “he always got along with him,” and in general, Russians are not inherently bad guys, you can live and get along with them and make good money.
    Moreover, Trump promised to end the conflict in Ukraine in 24 hours: “I want people to stop dying. Both Russians and Ukrainians are dying there.” Again: who doesn’t want to end the largest conflict since the Great Patriotic War so that the soldiers can finally return home?
    A nurse in an intensive care ward in the suburbs of Paris - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/19/2024
    The West will be terrorized in a proven way
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    Trump, a fan of Russia, went even further - he promised to withdraw America from NATO , stop sponsoring the armed forces of Europe and leave them to be devoured by the Russians: “NATO is dead,” “if Europe is attacked, the United States will not come to its aid.” Isn't this wonderful?


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    This is fueled by the impatient excitement and open hysteria of Europeans. Once you look at the headlines of the local newspapers, it immediately becomes clear that with the arrival of Trump, the evil Russians will immediately win, and the fluffy Europeans will be driven under the bench with a broom: “Does the European Union need to be afraid of Trump’s return to the White House?” (TV channel Euronews); “Europe prepares to go it alone as Trump heads for the White House” (European version of Politico); "Politicians are worried after Trump's victory in the primary elections" (German TV channel ZDF).
    Against such a benign background, the statements of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov , which he made in an interview with CBS, were a clear dissonance with numerous opinions of respected experts who are confident that Trump’s return will be an unambiguous benefit for Russia (or at least will definitely be significantly better than Biden’s re-election) .
    Assistant to the US President for National Security Jake Sullivan - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/18/2024
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    And Lavrov said this: “I don’t believe that there will be any difference (between Trump and Biden).”


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    Previously, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov spoke in a similar vein , saying that “Russia has no understanding of how former US President Donald Trump’s election promises to quickly resolve the conflict in Ukraine can be realized.”
    And here two options arise in their heads: either Lavrov and Peskov have not read Trump’s declarations of love for Russia in general and Putin in particular, or they know something that the frantically buying champagne supporters of a strong and sincere friendship with the United States do not know.
    Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Nevada - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/14/2024
    The Vice President will decide the fate of the United States
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    And this is what they know.


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    Despite Trump's similar statements on Russia before his first term, he has done nothing during his presidency to improve relations with Russia. Moreover, the US anti-Russian policy has become tougher. A few typical examples: it was under Trump that a record number of “eternal” sanctions were introduced, massive deliveries of lethal weapons like the “Holy Javelina” began to Ukraine (which were slowed down by the most democratic Democrat Obama), the promise to recognize Crimea as Russian was withdrawn, and the Republicans led by Trump did their best to supported with their feet a bipartisan bill to simplify the procedure for confiscation of assets of Russians, proposed in the Senate.
    If you look at Trump’s promise to end the conflict in Ukraine in one day a little more closely than at the cheerful headlines, it also becomes clear that it is too early to rejoice. The fact is that Trump did not say a word about how exactly he wants to end the conflict and what terms of the “deal” to offer Russia. And something suggests that these conditions will completely suit the United States, and no one will even think to ask Russia’s opinion in advance.
    Russian flag - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/10/2024
    The US wants Gorbachev instead of Putin
    January 10, 08:00
    Trump, in an interview with Tucker Carlson, said literally the following: “I would say to Putin: if you don’t make a deal, we will give Zelensky a lot, we will give them more than they ever got if we have to.”


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    This means that any “deal” proposed by Trump to Russia will obviously be an ultimatum. For the United States, for many reasons, the result of the SVO in the form in which it was formulated by the leadership of our country is categorically unacceptable. The maximum that they can offer us with a broad gesture is to freeze the conflict so that the Kiev regime, with the help of the West, can recover, strengthen, rearm and begin military operations with redoubled force.
    We wasted four years waiting for positive change during Trump's first presidency while Ukraine rapidly armed itself and trained to kill Russians. And there is no reason to think that in this case everything will be different.
    USA flag - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/08/2024
    America began to save democracy from democrats
    January 8, 08:00
    In addition, Trump is known to have a negative fixation on China . This means that with 100 percent probability, part of the “deal” will be Russia’s obligation to betray its partner.

    It is clear that we will never agree to either the first or the second, which means there will be no deal, and Trump, who has lost face, can in one second turn from a Russophile into the main Russophobe and surpass all the Bidens, Obamas and Clintons combined.

    We must understand that Trump 2.0, even if he verbally wants peace, friendship and chewing gum, will inevitably act in the interests of the American (Atlantic) elites and large transnational capital, since he will be completely paralyzed, as the first time, by an effective system of “checks” and counterbalances", the threat of impeachment, sabotage and pressure from the main sponsor of the Republican Party - the large oil and gas business, which is completely satisfied with the current status quo and squeezing Russia out of the European market. The United States will not leave any NATO; there will be no “reset” buttons.

    If we abstract away a little from the comedic aspect associated with Trump, the harsh reality remains:

    1) neither the United States nor Russia will change their initial assessments of the causes of the conflict in Ukraine, and therefore a compromise there is impossible in principle;

    2) Western financing of Ukraine will continue;

    3) the expenditure of economic and human resources by Russia in Ukraine plays into the hands of the Americans, and they will prolong the conflict to the maximum;

    4) Russia and the United States have radically opposing geostrategic interests, and there can be no peaceful coexistence, much less cooperation, in the current conditions.

    We did everything we could, including numerous steps forward and “gestures of goodwill.” But the West, according to Lavrov, “has a deepening complex of superiority and a complex of impunity,” that is, they do not want to negotiate in an amicable way, cannot and will not, but will only exploit our weaknesses.

    The supposedly “friendly” Trump, in fact, could become a Trojan horse to lull our vigilance, slow down the speed of our transformations and reverse the nationalization of the elites, which could ultimately lead to our heavy defeats and losses.

    And this means that we should not wave flags with Trump’s portrait, but do our job, grow stronger - and win.

    https://ria.ru/20240125/tramp-1923285195.html

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:37 am

    While most of those points I fully agree with, Russia really has no control over who Americans do or do not vote for.

    I think Hillary would have been much worse than Trump and I think a second term of Biden would be worse than anything else... this is Bidens war... the Biden family make a lot of money in this conflict the corruption in that country suits Americans and the Biden family to the ground because they are milking it for everything they can and they realise when it is over that lots of mouths need to be permanently shut to keep the secrets safe or they are going to jail.

    Trump is not sharp and was easily manipulated when he was in office... they just had to mention putins puppet and he broke all his promises of better relations with Russia just to prove them wrong... he was a weak president, but not as corrupt as Biden or as evil as Hillary and the Clintons... there really is no good choice there... but then the system is not designed to allow change so it wouldn't matter who got in, as Lavrov said, there is very little actual change in policy to be expected...

    Of course the reality of the situation is that there is nothing Trump can send to Kiev that would help them win and he knows that the Ukraine war going on through his second term when he promised to end it in 24 hours... there is really only one side he could break in 24 hours and I think we know which side that is.

    Cutting funding and leaving HATO would probably do it because Kiev would have no big military org to run to to beg to join any more... removing US troops from Europe would save a lot of money... money they could use to better monitor their own borders... and there is a good chance he would start a war with Iran or China if they haven't already started one in the case of the former...

    Trump rips up treaties and hasn't really signed anything of note... maybe Putin can talk him in to a new security agreement with Europe that lets the US leave and save billions... he seems easy to sway...

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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:44 pm

    From Moon of Alabama:

    Shortly after his interview with Tucker Carlson Putin had another one with the Russian journalist Pavel Zarubin.

    The first is on Anthony Blinken:

    During the taped part of the [Carlson] interview, we should have discussed efforts to use inter-ethnic relations and the Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire as a way of denigrating and demonising Russia. One of the subjects we discussed when the cameras were turned off was what US Secretary of State, Mr Blinken, mentioned on several occasions. He said that his relatives, his great-grandfather, fled the Jewish pogroms and left Russia.
    This topic keeps surfacing across the world, in Europe and in the United States. Let me reiterate that it is being used to demonise and discredit Russia and to demonstrate that it is home to barbaric, cruel people and outlaws. However, we can clarify many issues if we try to understand what today’s US Secretary of State actually said and if we look beyond political slogans by focusing on the substance.
    All this information is in our archives. For example, Mr Blinken’s great-grandfather did leave the Russian Empire. I think that he was born somewhere in the Poltava Province, and then moved to Kiev before emigrating. This raises the following question: does Mr Blinken think that Kiev and the surrounding territories are historically Russian land? This is my first point here.
    Second, if he says that his great-grandfather left Russia to escape the Jewish pogroms, this, at least, means, and I would like to stress this point, that in 1904, since this is when Mr Blinken’s great-grandfather left Kiev for the United States, Ukraine did not exist – this is what he seems to believe. This way, Mr Blinken seems to share our views. That said, he should have refrained from saying so in public. This could undermine his cause.
    ...
    By the way, something has just occurred to me about these pogroms. They took place mainly in the south and southwest of the Russian Empire. In fact, this is where present-day Ukraine is, for example in Kiev, in 1905. If Mr Blinken’s ancestor left in 1904, the first pogrom in Kiev, I mean a big one, happened in 1905, which means that his great-grandfather, or his great-great-grandfather, could only find out what happened there from newspapers, or from those who were in Kiev at that time.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:42 am

    Hahaha... a bit like Hillary dodging sniper fire on her visit to the Balkans...

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:48 pm

    That explains his hatred for Russia. Over decades he heared how those evil Russkies
    treated his ancestors badly. The family had propably some property that they left behind,
    which means they lost a lot of money and also blamed it on evil Russkies. Blinken likely
    thinks that he is entitled for some land in Russia, so he wants regime change to get "his"
    property back.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:06 pm

    1) The real pogroms of Jews in western Europe during the Crusades were vastly larger than any in the Russian Empire at any time.  We are talking about tens of thousands
    and not hundreds.

    2) Claims of pogroms in Russia are grossly exaggerated.   There is a claim of hundreds if not thousands of victims of such pogroms in Moscow city but any actual
    investigation shows a few individuals involved.

    3) Unlike the real pogroms in western Europe, the largest such case in the Russian Empire, in southern Ukraine (i.e. Novorussia) involved Jews in organized, armed groups
    fighting with non-Jews.   The picture being painted is that they were innocent bystanders attacked without cause.   The reality is that it was ethnic strife.   This is not
    to say that Jews were the perpetrators, but their situation is being used to engage in blood libel against non-Jews of the Russian Empire and thus has to be subjected
    to proper skeptical analysis.

    4) The American Jewish community originating from the former Russian Empire has some sort of hate fetish.   Unlike western Europe, Jews managed to preserve their
    culture in the Russian Empire and the Pale of Settlement.   Western Europeans suppressed their culture.    I think the only organized community they had in western
    Europe was in Spain thanks to the Moore (Islamic) control over Spain.   These Jews were expelled en masse after the Christians took over.   You would think from all
    the hate, that Jews in the Russian Empire were subjected to genocidal policies and treatment.   This is a full bore lie.   By definition there would be no Jewish communities
    practising their religion and way of life in the Pale of Settlement if they were being targeted for extermination.   What is very peculiar is that American Jews do not have
    this hate fetish for Germans even though tens of thousands of Jews were murdered in Germany during the period of the Crusades and several million during the Holocaust.
    We have the Russian word "pogrom" used instead of some German or French word as if the Russian "pogroms" were uniquely bad.  

    5) Non-Jews of the Russian Empire can point to the USSR period as a legitimate grievance against Jews.   The Trotskyists who were mostly Jews when it came to upper
    hierarchy members were the ones who set up and ran the gulags and were hyper-zealous in prosecuting "enemies of the people.   Fake "pogroms" like the alleged ones
    in Moscow city simply cannot compare to this.  The demonization of Stalin is a clear attempt to shirk responsibility for Soviet crimes by anti-Stalin forces, feted in the
    west.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:34 pm

    This is a bit out of scope, but I believe that one of the issues that the Jews had in whole history is that they were never interested to fully integrate into their new countries, they always wanted to maintain a fully separate identity and often acted in order to try to help their fellow tribesmen.

    This is of course a problem for a country. It is not ideal when there is a group of powerful and intelligent "foreigners" in a certain country, especially when they maintain a lot of economic power and are not committed to the interest of the majority of the population.

    In order to limit their power in the middle age many European nations put limits on the properties that Jews could own, but at the same time Christians could not lend money for interest, so many money-
    lending professions were practically banned for the typical citizen of middle age European countries.

    Leviticus 25:37, “You shall not lend [your brother] your money at interest.” Exodus 22:25 stipulates” “If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.”

    Actually the same restrictions (from the bible) applied also to Jews, but for Jews it was not a problem to exact interests from non Jews.

    Deuteronomy 23:20 says much the same thing about loans within the Israelite community, but with the important caveat that “you may charge a foreigner interest.”

    Deuteronomy 23

    19 You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
    20 You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

    Even now they want to have their own state in the middle east but they want that many of their tribespeople occupy high leadership position in other countries, but still maintain first allegiance to Israel and privilege the interest of the Jewish state of Israel in comparison to the interest of the state for which they have been elected to office.

    Sometimes this is also the problem with Ukrainians in US and Canada (possibly if we esclude the "intelligent" part).

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