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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:51 am

    Well then they better try harder then

    Chechen kebabs got barbequed nasty twice in thermobaric banyas last time they tried , chechens killing chechens to fly the federal flag high over grozny

    Kazakh kebabs had CSTO land a division in there in latest piss poor attempt. I think polite dudes are several thousand km apart over there. Kebabs usually need help before they get strung up and hung by their own. What is it now Saddam, Gaddaffi, Assad, Tokayev, maybe itl be raisi next

    Azerbaijani kebabs had a brigade landed on them and Armenians are sort of that dog that smells bad but you just cant get rid of

    Turk kebabs buying s400s from buryats??? Nah they're buying them from the orthodox, oh that reminds me kebab erdogan got himself almost hung too, idk what it is about those crescent moon types.

    If langley wants to cut russia up so bad, why did they give belarus back? Seems like a shitty way to go about it.

    China will hide behind the pacific fleet a lil while longer, and I think vmf just sent a fleet out by hawaii, dont see PLA gathering the confidence to try that any time soon

    As for America? When those rednecks gather the confidence to use their second amendment rights on each other, besides the garden variety mass shooters you please let me know.

    Till then beware Russia puts back the orange phenom back in the Casablanca via hacking come 2024, I'm sure CNN will be talking all about it

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:06 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Well then they better try harder then

    Chechen kebabs got barbequed nasty twice in thermobaric banyas last time they tried , chechens killing chechens to fly the federal flag high over grozny

    Kazakh kebabs had CSTO land a division in there in latest piss poor attempt. I think polite dudes are several thousand km apart over there. Kebabs usually need help before they get strung up and hung by their own. What is it now Saddam, Gaddaffi, Assad, Tokayev, maybe itl be raisi next

    Azerbaijani kebabs had a brigade landed on them and Armenians are sort of that dog that smells bad but you just cant get rid of

    Turk kebabs buying s400s from buryats??? Nah they're buying them from the orthodox, oh that reminds me kebab erdogan got himself almost hung too, idk what it is about those crescent moon types.

    If langley wants to cut russia up so bad, why did they give belarus back? Seems like a shitty way to go about it.

    China will hide behind the pacific fleet a lil while longer, and I think vmf just sent a fleet out by hawaii, dont see PLA gathering the confidence to try that any time soon

    As for America? When those rednecks gather the confidence to use their second amendment rights on each other, besides the garden variety mass shooters you please let me know.

    Till then beware Russia puts back the orange phenom back in the Casablanca via hacking come 2024, I'm sure CNN will be talking all about it

    No one did a better job uniting Russia and nearby compatriots than the US and their color revolution attempts.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:16 am

    miketheterrible wrote:

    No one did a better job uniting Russia and nearby compatriots than the US and their color revolution attempts.

    Agreed, Like an fast growing malignant tumor that needs to be cut out of your society before it destroy's the natural order of your nations body. order and law.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:19 am

    Russia slept on the Ukraine affair or they saw an opportunity to cut out the tumor is Ukraine and get what was really important - Crimea.

    But with both Belarus and Kazakhstan, they sure moved fast and were able to help stabilize a situation quicker than Americans did with BLM. Lol

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:26 am

    The Americans almost lost seattle to BLM, the so called CHAZ or CHOP zone.

    Still I think more Americans die in chicago annually then all the Ukrainians that got smoked at zelenopillya

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:33 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Russia slept on the Ukraine affair or they saw an opportunity to cut out the tumor is Ukraine and get what was really important - Crimea.

    But with both Belarus and Kazakhstan,  they sure moved fast and were able to help stabilize a situation quicker than Americans did with BLM. Lol

    I was on the "wrong" side. the NATO side at the time.
    By employment contract mind you, i was already done with NATO's practices.

    i was surrounded with people cheering on the fall of ukraine to NATO side.

    I looked stuff up and was confronted with Ukrainians glorifying Nazis in combination with NATO everywhere.
    Stephan banderas, that piece of trash. i even came across strories how even the Germans tought the Ukrainians where too extreme in WW2 when they stapled polish farmers to their own farms with their own tools.
    "allies!?!" Bandera and Azov Nazi Scum.

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    Unnaceptable, disgusting.
    There comes a point in your carreer where you have to look at yourself in an mirror.
    And ask yourself the question if you still agree with what you do.

    Well, i really never had to think about this one....
    i would not lift an finger for ukraine.
    When Putin declared Crimea was Russian, i had an celebration. "YES!!!!".

    And i made plans to quit the army, i was not going to be an part of this.
    ironically, i still got dragged in the MH-17 thing. Because....logistic experience with aircraft...

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:58 am

    I know for a fact many are like you airbornwolf. Many I met are completely demoralized from what the NATO command does.

    Let's not pretend, NATO was more or less NAZI project.

    Anyway, NATO forces are more or less US Mercenaries. The soldiers themselves are Mercenaries for US adventures. It's a private army farm for US to instill its agenda.

    No one with half a brain will disagree now. Only ones who do are morons.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:50 am

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    ".....The decison has to be made BEFORE an explosion. And in terms of auto systems. They had one. And if it were not for this man, that decided it was false alarm. None of us would be here today......"

    Agree somewhat , but this could be corrected by new procedures and AI technology   . Once a threat of nuclear war increases , then it quickly dissipates . Even a single missile flying will make everybody sit in their pants !  I know it is better to be able to launch before the other side . But this is not possible in practice . One side always ends up launching first . And no side will succeed in destroying the other side capability by a Nuclear  pre-emptive strike . The problem of human in the chain , I agree , it is better to have . This could also be achieved by having automatic launch AND having human element capability in the chain to cancel warhead after launch . Plenty of time for a phone call and a cup of tea or confirmation by secondary sources .
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 pm

    The new Russian strategy gradually being unveiled!

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    RUSSIA'S RYABKOV SAYS THE U.S. AND NATO ARE READY TO TALK ONLY ON TOPICS OF SECURITY ASSURANCES THAT ARE CONVENIENT FOR THEM - TASS

    RUSSIA'S RYABKOV SAYS MOSCOW WILL TAKE "OTHER MEASURES AND TECHNIQUES" IN RELATION TO WESTERN PARTNERS IF THE U.S, AND NATO FAIL TO ADDRESS RUSSIAN DEMANDS - TASS

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    Looks like the latest talks (in Vienna) between Russia and OSCE are over - and "there is no need for further talks in the near future" Russia said - "we will take other measures" - now let's see what that means.
    (I think the Russian buildup in western Russia will increase)




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    Post  TMA1 Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:16 pm

    Does this mean the gloves are off internationally for Russia? Doing what America does overseas? Maybe over assistance to allied states in south and central America? Maybe even keeping some bombers and missiles in their lands?
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:33 pm

    NATzO's delusions of invincibility are starting to catch up with it.

    People took the behaviour in the last 30 years for granted.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:56 pm

    Yes and no.

    It is likely that Russia will do little that would force the US to react strongly against the third party country.

    Much more likely is action(s) in countries Russia is already in. Like

    - no fly zone over all Syria, including more S-300 and Buk to SyAF

    - a stop to oil shipments out of east Syria

    - more aggressive against Israeli attacks on Syria

    - fighters to Iran

    - build up of forces opposite Baltics and Poland, forcing NATO to spend money it doesn't have responding

    - more naval excursions in the Pacific

    - something in east Russia trageting the US west coast.

    Anyone else think of more?


    EDIT

    Someone else suggested that as nothing that didn't have any effect on DC politicians would have any effect then some kind of no military hit on the US mainland, like shutting down electricity networks, would be needed to jerk them into reality.

    Also, back the Ruble with gold or only accept payment in gold or Rubles for gas/energy to the US and EU. Military aircraft collection of gold Smile

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:31 pm

    To have any effects threats have to be believed. Do sanctions look credible to you or will they just be laughing in the Kremlin at the best the US can come up with?

    Talk about a massive empire crumbling.


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    Post  LMFS Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Yes and no.

    It is likely that Russia will do little that would force the US to react strongly against the third party country.

    Much more likely is action(s) in countries Russia is already in. Like

    - no fly zone over all Syria, including more S-300 and Buk to SyAF

    - a stop to oil shipments out of east Syria

    - more aggressive against Israeli attacks on Syria

    - fighters to Iran

    - build up of forces opposite Baltics and Poland, forcing NATO to spend money it doesn't have responding

    - more naval excursions in the Pacific

    - something in east Russia trageting the US west coast.

    Anyone else think of more?


    EDIT

    Someone else suggested that as nothing that didn't have any effect on DC politicians would have any effect then some kind of no military hit on the US mainland, like shutting down electricity networks, would be needed to jerk them into reality.

    Also, back the Ruble with gold or only accept payment in gold or Rubles for gas/energy to the US and EU. Military aircraft collection of gold Smile

    Most likely they will make US realize how overstretched they are in a global scale and specially how vulnerable they are in the surroundings of Russia. Russian leadership is very proficient in assessing their own strengths and weaknesses, they did not embark in the past in adventures in places where they would not enjoy any kind of escalation dominance, so they do not have much to fear from increasingly hostile environment, quite the contrary to the US, so they can now get into the offensive. Close to their homeland, the balance of power is totally in their favour, so US will have to step aside one way or another. And with the arrival of Tsirkon, USN is a liability rather than an asset, so that is another advantage Russia can make very painful for US and harm them where it hurts the most, in their power projection capabilities and ability to keep most of the world in their camp. They will also make it even nicer by deploying offensive tactical and substrategic weapons directly pointed to EU and US proper, and continue developing their ABM systems, to the point where the possibility of a nuclear supremacy and therefore military checkmate in the coming years should not be totally excluded. The West should be careful what path they choose to walk

    Taking the point kvs made above, some people think the policies and attitudes of the Russian leadership depend on some personality traits of Putin (a weakling, so they say) instead of realising that the state strategy is mainly driven by the sober analysis of the balance of forces. When Russia was weak, the policy could not be overly assertive, but circumstances change. More than one, among them many in the Western "elites", will surely be caught off guard by what is to come.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:19 pm

    Russia may assign Navy to take certain measures if provoked by US — MFA

    Sergey Ryabkov also stressed that "Russia has taken note of some US proposals to prevent conflicts that were voiced in Geneva"

    MOSCOW, January 13. /TASS/. Russia may assign its Navy to take certain measures to confront any future US provocations or continued US military pressure, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said on Thursday in an interview to RTVI.

    When asked if Russia considers deploying its military in such countries as Venezuela or Cuba, Ryabkov said that, "I don’t want to confirm anything, but I won’t rule anything out either."

    "It’s the American style to have several options for its foreign and military policy," he said. "That’s the cornerstone of that country’s powerful influence in the world."

    Russia will act depending on what the US will do, the deputy minister said.

    "The president of Russia has spoken multiple times on the subject of what the measures could be, for example involving the Russian Navy, if things are firmly set on the course of provoking Russia and further increasing the military pressure on us by the US," Ryabkov said. "We don’t want that. The diplomats must come to an agreement."

    Russia has taken note of some US proposals to prevent conflicts that were voiced in Geneva, he said. Russia, among other things, wants to update the 1972 agreement on averting incidents on and over the high seas, the diplomat said.

    Still, the prospect of NATO expansion - which Moscow seeks to avert - remains the main issue for the talks, he said.

    https://tass.com/defense/1387823

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:39 pm

    Thinking through Russia using Syria as a place to make a point, how about a combination of:

    - a countrywide US/Coalition no fly zone,
    - blockading the border crossings into Iraq so preventing US resupply by road from Iraq.

    This would cut them off, put them under siege. This doesn't work in al-Tanf obviously.

    Imagine the howling in DC if their forces are stranded in Syria and effectively escorted out, tail between legs by the Russians.

    The ignominy following Afgahanistan and no doubt the current anti US logistics actions in Iraq would increase as well.
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    Post  par far Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:54 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Thinking through Russia using Syria as a place to make a point, how about a combination of:

    - a countrywide US/Coalition no fly zone,
    - blockading the border crossings into Iraq so preventing US resupply by road from Iraq.

    This would cut them off, put them under siege. This doesn't work in al-Tanf obviously.

    Imagine the howling in DC if their forces are stranded in Syria and effectively escorted out, tail between legs by the Russians.

    The ignominy following Afgahanistan and no doubt the current anti US logistics actions in Iraq would increase as well.


    It will be very hard to do that.

    After the meetings with Iran end in deadlock, Russia may look to sign some kind of deal with Iran.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:08 pm

    Head of the Russian delegation at the talks with the United States Sergey Ryabkov:

    There is no certainty that the United States will agree with the key provisions of the documents on security guarantees for Russia.

    I see no reason to organize a new round of negotiations on security guarantees in the near future.

    The refusal on the part of the United States on key proposals on security guarantees leads the situation to a dead end.

    I don't want to confirm or exclude anything (regarding the deployment of the Russian military infrastructure in Cuba and Venezuela).

    The West's position on Russia's demand that NATO refuse to accept Ukraine and Georgia is sly and duplicitous.

    Military experts offer Putin options in case of deterioration of the situation around Ukraine, but we need to give diplomacy a chance.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:06 pm

    They will now wait for the US to provide an official answer by next week to the proposals discussed, and based on that, Lavrov and Shoigu will plan next steps with Putin.

    EDIT: there are many options, if there is will and creativity angel

    Russia says long-range Tu-22MZ bombers in Syria can reach targets across all Mediterranean

    https://tass.com/defense/1387919

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:47 pm

    LMFS wrote:They will now wait for the US to provide an official answer by next week to the proposals discussed, and based on that, Lavrov and Shoigu will plan next steps with Putin.

    EDIT: there are many options, if there is will and creativity  angel

    Russia says long-range Tu-22MZ bombers in Syria can reach targets across all Mediterranean

    https://tass.com/defense/1387919

    We discussed that at the time they did a test run there. Add a couple of Tu-142M and you have a combination that seriously ups the stress levels in the USN and the southern NATO navies, especially given the US's recent decisions to majorly increase their use of and physically expand the facilities of the Greek military.

    Combine with a base use deal with the Algerians and those aircraft can range out into the Atlantic, with the TU-142M able to trundle across to Caracas Laughing Whilst off down the Red Sea in the other direction.

    NATO's private Seas, the Med and the middle Atlantic, suddenly have some very unwelcome visitors. In fact, them there pesky RuAF and RuNA aircraft are going to be popping up in the most unexpected places Laughing

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    Post  LMFS Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:03 am

    This Is How the U.S. Does ‘Dialogue’

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    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/01/13/this-is-how-us-does-dialogue/

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:18 am

    Do as I say not as I do

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:13 am

    I suspect Russia will act in Montenegro, it's needed for a supply line to Serbia

    Some sort of Russian-Serbian Maidan, or whatever
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    Post  par far Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:06 am

    LMFS wrote:This Is How the U.S. Does ‘Dialogue’

    Pepe Escobar
    January 13, 2022


    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/01/13/this-is-how-us-does-dialogue/



    This part is especially interesting.

    "So welcome to Instagrammed Irrationalism. What happens next? Most possibly a provocation, with the possibility, for instance, of a chemical black ops to be blamed on Russia, followed by – what else – more sanctions.

    The package is ready. It comes in the form of a bill by Dem senators supported by the White House to bring “severe costs” to the Russian economy in case Moscow finally answers their prayers and “invades” Ukraine.

    Sanctions would directly hit President Putin, Prime Minister Mishustin, Foreign Minister Lavrov, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Gen Gerasimov, and “commanders of various branches of the Armed Forces, including the Air Force and Navy.”

    Targeted banks and financial institutions include Sberbank, VTB, Gazprombank, Moscow Credit Bank, Alfa-Bank, Otkritie Bank, PSB, Sovcombank, Transcapitalbank, and the Russian Direct Investment Fund. They would all be cut off from SWIFT.

    If this bill sounds like a declaration of war, that’s because it is. Call it the American version of “dialogue”.



    I think a major provocation is coming.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:09 am

    The US cannot conduct anything else that it has not already done since 2011 magnitsky act, or some variation of the 2015 Obama sanctions.

    The true provocation will come next week, when Iranian president is in Moscow. Wait to see what kind of deals will be made there.

    And then 3 weeks later , during personal invitation by comrade Xi , to Putin, the announcement of a fully fledged alliance. At Peking Winter Olympics

    Not only this, but Russia will begin to build the ABM system for China, and potentially a weaker version of the Zircon lite for Chinese navy, giving them dominance in the first island chain.

    Russia can alter the balance of forces of all Eurasia.

    Then we also have the announcement by Ryabkov, of obvious measures in latin America.

    Russia needs rapid reaction forces to save USA.

    USA is where USSR was in 1985. They are gerontocratic system which is being destroyed by own intelligentsia and minorities.

    Their Yeltsin came in 2016, Mr. Trump, and he like Yeltsin struggles against the American Politburo. But much like Yeltsin, there is a mandate for reform in the country, being opposed by a radical sect of some 15 to 20 millions , which are of the leftist Transmutant party that basically will resort to separatism , in 2024 when they cannot maintain the effectiveness of their regime.

    They are advocating for separatism, their California, Seattle, New Yorkian transformer leftists, believe they have the GDP of Germany. They do not understand how dire the situation they push the US to.

    So Russia must be present in Cuba and Venezuela, possibly Mexico, in order to send CSTO in there , and pacify hostilities that will erupt around 2024.

    Their army is currently conducting urban warfare drills and their national guard is holding the fort down by the capitol, and the FBI does it's best suppressing the American Spring, but the problem is, it is not a color revolution. American discontent is grass roots, as insane as it sounds, their people will kill each other, without command. By a miracle in 2020 the rittenhouse scenario was not applied to the country.

    Russia must be present to preserve America in it's current form. We cannot run the risk of American nuclear weapons falling to Qanon, or Antifa.

    Probably a rapid reaction force of AN124, Tu160, and Su57 will be needed there to react rapidly when the chechen scenario is applied to that state.

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