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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Russia should worry if relations with the US get better....

    No need to worry Garry, no chance that's gonna happen.

    Maybe START gets reaffirmed, but that's about it.

    START will be reaffirmed because Bidet's handlers realize that they are not in any position to bargain a "better deal".
    So the US and its vassals are going not going to offer Russia anything positive on any front.


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    Post  par far Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:02 pm

    I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:08 pm

    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree. The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.

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    Post  par far Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree.  The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.



    How well do you think these hate campaigns will go for the US.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:50 pm

    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree.  The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.



    How well do you think these hate campaigns will go for the US.

    Only short term relief will result. The problems the USA has are long term and serious. But given how the sheeple respond in Ukraine,
    BS about foreign threats will "feed" them for many years.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:08 am

    It works so they will keep doing it.

    I rather suspect Creepy Joe will want to backtrack the crap with Iran because he and Obama had a hand in creating that, so they can claim to be restoring peace to the middle east if Iran goes back to adhering to the agreement (which they likely will do in return for the US and EU returning to the agreement too, which is why they stopped following it in the first place...)

    This will annoy Israel and Saudi Arabia because they both liked Iran being the bad guy and cornered and sanctioned, but who cares about them.

    Iran will essentially return to being no longer in Americas focus for bad guys in the region.

    Long term the US can't just keep printing money with no consequences... international trade is no longer in US dollars only and this will only get worse.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:56 am

    I have to say that I am impressed with Putin's patience after all the recent provocations by NATzO. Unfortunately, being nice wouldn't really give him any PR points since his reputation is under attack 24/7 by NATzO propagandist Pigs. Putin may be buying more time, but for what? It seems we won't be witnessing any crushing response from Russia any time soon Rolling Eyes


    Russia accuses US of meddling, but says open to dialogue

    Russia has accused the United States of interfering in its domestic affairs following a crackdown on protesters supporting opposition leader Alexey Navalny, but a spokesman for Vladimir Putin said the Russian president would be open to talking to US President Joe Biden.

    On Saturday, the US strongly condemned “the use of harsh tactics against protesters and journalists this weekend in cities throughout Russia” and called for the release of those who had been arrested.

    Tens of thousands of people had taken to the streets in support of Navalny, who was arrested upon returning to Moscow last weekend following months of treatment in Germany for a near-fatal poisoning.

    More than 3,500 demonstrators were detained in protests across the country, with several injured in clashes with police in Moscow.

    Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov took particular issue with a US embassy “demonstration alert” that warned US citizens in Russia of possible unrest, telling a state TV channel on Sunday that Washington was “absolute” interference in Russian domestic affairs.

    “Of course, those publications are inappropriate,” Peskov said.

    “And of course, indirectly, they are absolute interference in our internal affairs.”

    However, Peskov also struck a more conciliatory tone and said Russia is ready to set up a dialogue with the Biden administration, which has pledged to rebuild a coalition of European allies against the Kremlin.

    “This will be the dialogue where, of course, differences will have to be stated to a greater extent … But at the same time, a dialogue is a possibility to find some rational kernels, the little parts where our relations are getting closer,” he said.

    “And if the current US administration is ready for such an approach, I have no doubts that our president will respond in kind.”

    Differences

    Moscow and Washington remain deeply divided on a number of issues.

    The US has repeatedly condemned Russia’s backing of Ukrainian separatists, as well as its support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime and its intervention in Libya’s civil war.

    US intelligence officials also accuse Russian agents of seeking to meddle in the country’s 2016 presidential election through hacking, social media manipulation, and the release of ill-attained information meant to harm then-candidate Hillary Clinton.

    Biden, who has recounted telling Putin “I don’t think you have a soul” and called Russia “the biggest threat” to US security, has promised to take a harder line against “autocrats like Putin” than former US President Donald Trump.

    On the campaign trail, Biden also criticised the poisoning of Navalny, saying it was evidence Russia is “so paranoid that it is unwilling to tolerate any criticism or dissent”.

    The Kremlin remained conspicuously silent following election Biden’s victory, with Putin being one of the last global leaders to congratulate him.

    Meanwhile, the two countries have some pressing issues to resolve, including the New START arms control treaty, which is due to expire on February 5.

    The White House said last week that Biden would seek a five-year extension to the deal, which calls for reducing the number of nuclear missile launchers.

    The Kremlin has said it “welcomes” the proposal, but added that “all will depend” on the details.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:15 am

    "Crackdown".   Loaded propaganda drivel language.   Illegal demonstrations are cracked down on in Canada, USA and every
    other NATzO member state.   There is this thing called law and something associated with it called law enforcement.

    And before some twat starts bleating about Navlany's lemmings being denied the right to protest.   F*ck off.   Their
    shtick is to block streets at key intersections instead of going to the downtown venues provided for in any permit for
    demonstration.   BTW, you need such permits in the precious NATzO west.   Spontaneous mobs blocking roads are
    illegal.  No matter how righteous the demonstrators feel.  

    Also, the "crackdown" involves law breakers being temporarily detained by police.  None of them face 10+ year
    jail terms.   Compare this to America where demands are being made for the Capitol Hill protestors to be
    tried for insurrection and sent away for 15+ years.  

    For historical context, Navalny and his NATzO handlers have been organizing such protest for over 15 years.
    None of the protestors and that includes the organizers got any charges for insurrection and sent away to do
    hard time.   Amerislime finger wagging in Russia's face is grotesque, bloody hypocrisy.   Amerislimes simply
    engage in diversionary propaganda from their own gross human rights abuses by having their fake stream
    dogs for hire news media bark at other countries.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:34 pm



    So the Open Skies treaty may be resurrected. As I posted before, Putin better not fellate Biden's lying cock
    like Gorbie.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:03 pm

    Looks like he already is sucking Biden's cock. See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:44 am

    See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?

    Why would he not appreciate them backing the most useless nag in the field?

    Regarding Open Skies both sides benefitted, so a return would be good, but there are some issues that need to be ironed out.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:56 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Looks like he already is sucking Biden's cock. See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?

    Putin never mentioned Navalny's name and almost never even acknowledged his existence

    Why would he suddenly give Navalny one thing he has been craving for by mentioning him in the conversation with the POTUS of all people?



    kvs wrote:...So the Open Skies treaty may be resurrected. As I posted before, Putin better not fellate Biden's lying cock
    like Gorbie.

    USA is the one coming back to it since they are the ones who pulled out to begin with so it's them who are kissing the ring

    Those flights are useless in this day and age anyway



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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:49 am

    My comment is more aimed at the idea that Putin should have done what the US did by claiming US interfering in Russian politics and he will stop it at all costs. This time though, Russia has actual evidence of such.
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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:00 pm

    Who is sucking whom? Biden and the Dems demonized Russia/Putin for over a decade and as soon as he is in office he rings him up.

    Remember that the Neocons (which control both parties) demanded that Russia gives up the new weapon systems before a new treaty is signed. Didn´t happen so they gave up.
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    Post  elconquistador Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:57 pm

    Is anyone following the Gamestop short squeeze by some redditbros?

    It is now branded as 'white supremacists' manipulating the stock market. Funny how that comes from people who have been raping and plundering the markets with impunity. The bombshell 'foreign interference' was just dropped. IT IS NOW GETTING PINNED ON RUSSIA. Friday is just around the corner

    All because some predatory hook-nosed hedgefund banksters lost some, I mean a lot of money. The Fed will likely bail them out though, because we all know who runs the show.

    HI-LA-RI-IOUS

    Edit: didn't know where to post this. The 'western propaganda' thread could be a better thread

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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:26 pm

    Animal Farm. Some people are more special than others. The banksters are indeed quite special.

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:48 pm

    The US is preparing sanctions on Russia over the fake Solar Wind Hack story and the Berlin Patient, hopefully Russia hits back hard.

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