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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Russia should worry if relations with the US get better....

    No need to worry Garry, no chance that's gonna happen.

    Maybe START gets reaffirmed, but that's about it.

    START will be reaffirmed because Bidet's handlers realize that they are not in any position to bargain a "better deal".
    So the US and its vassals are going not going to offer Russia anything positive on any front.


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    Post  par far Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:02 pm

    I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:08 pm

    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree. The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.

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    Post  par far Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree.  The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.



    How well do you think these hate campaigns will go for the US.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:50 pm

    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:I think that Biden(or importantly the handlers of Biden), will push for war, provocations and sanctions against Russia and Iran(this will bring these countries more closer) and they will talk tough and do some shit against China because they still make money in/off China.

    I agree.  The divisions in US society will be covered up with warmongering and two minutes' hate campaigns against foreign "enemies".
    This trick is very effective as can be seen in Ukraine.



    How well do you think these hate campaigns will go for the US.

    Only short term relief will result. The problems the USA has are long term and serious. But given how the sheeple respond in Ukraine,
    BS about foreign threats will "feed" them for many years.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:08 am

    It works so they will keep doing it.

    I rather suspect Creepy Joe will want to backtrack the crap with Iran because he and Obama had a hand in creating that, so they can claim to be restoring peace to the middle east if Iran goes back to adhering to the agreement (which they likely will do in return for the US and EU returning to the agreement too, which is why they stopped following it in the first place...)

    This will annoy Israel and Saudi Arabia because they both liked Iran being the bad guy and cornered and sanctioned, but who cares about them.

    Iran will essentially return to being no longer in Americas focus for bad guys in the region.

    Long term the US can't just keep printing money with no consequences... international trade is no longer in US dollars only and this will only get worse.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:56 am

    I have to say that I am impressed with Putin's patience after all the recent provocations by NATzO. Unfortunately, being nice wouldn't really give him any PR points since his reputation is under attack 24/7 by NATzO propagandist Pigs. Putin may be buying more time, but for what? It seems we won't be witnessing any crushing response from Russia any time soon Rolling Eyes


    Russia accuses US of meddling, but says open to dialogue

    Russia has accused the United States of interfering in its domestic affairs following a crackdown on protesters supporting opposition leader Alexey Navalny, but a spokesman for Vladimir Putin said the Russian president would be open to talking to US President Joe Biden.

    On Saturday, the US strongly condemned “the use of harsh tactics against protesters and journalists this weekend in cities throughout Russia” and called for the release of those who had been arrested.

    Tens of thousands of people had taken to the streets in support of Navalny, who was arrested upon returning to Moscow last weekend following months of treatment in Germany for a near-fatal poisoning.

    More than 3,500 demonstrators were detained in protests across the country, with several injured in clashes with police in Moscow.

    Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov took particular issue with a US embassy “demonstration alert” that warned US citizens in Russia of possible unrest, telling a state TV channel on Sunday that Washington was “absolute” interference in Russian domestic affairs.

    “Of course, those publications are inappropriate,” Peskov said.

    “And of course, indirectly, they are absolute interference in our internal affairs.”

    However, Peskov also struck a more conciliatory tone and said Russia is ready to set up a dialogue with the Biden administration, which has pledged to rebuild a coalition of European allies against the Kremlin.

    “This will be the dialogue where, of course, differences will have to be stated to a greater extent … But at the same time, a dialogue is a possibility to find some rational kernels, the little parts where our relations are getting closer,” he said.

    “And if the current US administration is ready for such an approach, I have no doubts that our president will respond in kind.”

    Differences

    Moscow and Washington remain deeply divided on a number of issues.

    The US has repeatedly condemned Russia’s backing of Ukrainian separatists, as well as its support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime and its intervention in Libya’s civil war.

    US intelligence officials also accuse Russian agents of seeking to meddle in the country’s 2016 presidential election through hacking, social media manipulation, and the release of ill-attained information meant to harm then-candidate Hillary Clinton.

    Biden, who has recounted telling Putin “I don’t think you have a soul” and called Russia “the biggest threat” to US security, has promised to take a harder line against “autocrats like Putin” than former US President Donald Trump.

    On the campaign trail, Biden also criticised the poisoning of Navalny, saying it was evidence Russia is “so paranoid that it is unwilling to tolerate any criticism or dissent”.

    The Kremlin remained conspicuously silent following election Biden’s victory, with Putin being one of the last global leaders to congratulate him.

    Meanwhile, the two countries have some pressing issues to resolve, including the New START arms control treaty, which is due to expire on February 5.

    The White House said last week that Biden would seek a five-year extension to the deal, which calls for reducing the number of nuclear missile launchers.

    The Kremlin has said it “welcomes” the proposal, but added that “all will depend” on the details.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:15 am

    "Crackdown".   Loaded propaganda drivel language.   Illegal demonstrations are cracked down on in Canada, USA and every
    other NATzO member state.   There is this thing called law and something associated with it called law enforcement.

    And before some twat starts bleating about Navlany's lemmings being denied the right to protest.   F*ck off.   Their
    shtick is to block streets at key intersections instead of going to the downtown venues provided for in any permit for
    demonstration.   BTW, you need such permits in the precious NATzO west.   Spontaneous mobs blocking roads are
    illegal.  No matter how righteous the demonstrators feel.  

    Also, the "crackdown" involves law breakers being temporarily detained by police.  None of them face 10+ year
    jail terms.   Compare this to America where demands are being made for the Capitol Hill protestors to be
    tried for insurrection and sent away for 15+ years.  

    For historical context, Navalny and his NATzO handlers have been organizing such protest for over 15 years.
    None of the protestors and that includes the organizers got any charges for insurrection and sent away to do
    hard time.   Amerislime finger wagging in Russia's face is grotesque, bloody hypocrisy.   Amerislimes simply
    engage in diversionary propaganda from their own gross human rights abuses by having their fake stream
    dogs for hire news media bark at other countries.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:34 pm



    So the Open Skies treaty may be resurrected. As I posted before, Putin better not fellate Biden's lying cock
    like Gorbie.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:03 pm

    Looks like he already is sucking Biden's cock. See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:44 am

    See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?

    Why would he not appreciate them backing the most useless nag in the field?

    Regarding Open Skies both sides benefitted, so a return would be good, but there are some issues that need to be ironed out.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:56 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Looks like he already is sucking Biden's cock. See how he doesn't condemn the US in their support of Navalnys?

    Putin never mentioned Navalny's name and almost never even acknowledged his existence

    Why would he suddenly give Navalny one thing he has been craving for by mentioning him in the conversation with the POTUS of all people?



    kvs wrote:...So the Open Skies treaty may be resurrected. As I posted before, Putin better not fellate Biden's lying cock
    like Gorbie.

    USA is the one coming back to it since they are the ones who pulled out to begin with so it's them who are kissing the ring

    Those flights are useless in this day and age anyway



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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:49 am

    My comment is more aimed at the idea that Putin should have done what the US did by claiming US interfering in Russian politics and he will stop it at all costs. This time though, Russia has actual evidence of such.
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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:00 pm

    Who is sucking whom? Biden and the Dems demonized Russia/Putin for over a decade and as soon as he is in office he rings him up.

    Remember that the Neocons (which control both parties) demanded that Russia gives up the new weapon systems before a new treaty is signed. Didn´t happen so they gave up.
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    Post  elconquistador Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:57 pm

    Is anyone following the Gamestop short squeeze by some redditbros?

    It is now branded as 'white supremacists' manipulating the stock market. Funny how that comes from people who have been raping and plundering the markets with impunity. The bombshell 'foreign interference' was just dropped. IT IS NOW GETTING PINNED ON RUSSIA. Friday is just around the corner

    All because some predatory hook-nosed hedgefund banksters lost some, I mean a lot of money. The Fed will likely bail them out though, because we all know who runs the show.

    HI-LA-RI-IOUS

    Edit: didn't know where to post this. The 'western propaganda' thread could be a better thread

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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:26 pm

    Animal Farm. Some people are more special than others. The banksters are indeed quite special.

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:48 pm

    The US is preparing sanctions on Russia over the fake Solar Wind Hack story and the Berlin Patient, hopefully Russia hits back hard.
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:44 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-believes-putin-killer-doesnt-have-soul-after-us-intel-assesses-interference

    American trash-talking trash.

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    Post  Hole Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:52 pm

    What a demented piece of horse shit. This dumbass had his hands in any dirty illegal war his garbage can of a "country" started in the last 40 years. Biden is a war criminal and mass murderer. But he is a western politican. What can you expect? The "reporter" is even worse then he is.

    This is like Hitler criticizing Gandhi.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:00 pm

    Biden: VVP has no soul!!!

    Also Biden: I like when little kids touch my hairy legs. [/thread]

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    Post  PhSt Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm

    I think this is a proper response, Russia shouldn't continue its friendly approach when it's obvious that the other side its clearly showing aggressive behavior.


    Russia recalls US envoy after Biden threatens 'killer' Putin

    Moscow recalled its ambassador from Washington on Wednesday as US-Russia relations were plunged into crisis over President Joe Biden's assessment of Vladimir Putin as a "killer" who would "pay a price" for election-meddling.

    In an interview with ABC News, Biden was asked about a US intelligence report that the Russian president tried to harm his candidacy in the November 2020 election and promote that of Donald Trump.

    "He will pay a price," the 78-year-old Biden said. "You'll see shortly."

    Asked if he thought Putin, who has been accused of ordering the poisoning of opposition leader Alexei Navalny and other political opponents, is a "killer," Biden said: "I do."

    The interview aired as the US Commerce Department announced it was toughening export restrictions imposed on Russia earlier this month as punishment for Navalny's poisoning.

    Russia responded by summoning its Washington envoy back to the country for consultations on its ties with the United States but stressed it wanted to prevent an "irreversible deterioration" in relations.

    "The Russian ambassador in Washington, Anatoly Antonov, has been invited to come to Moscow for consultations conducted with the aim of analysing what should be done and where to go in the context of ties with the United States," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

    Biden told ABC he had had a "long talk" with Putin after taking office in January and he knows him "relatively well."

    "The conversation started off, I said, 'I know you and you know me. If I establish this occurred, then be prepared," Biden said.

    The statement marked a stark contrast with Trump's steadfast refusal to say anything negative about the Russian president.

    In a 2017 interview with Fox News, Trump was asked about Putin being a "killer." "There are a lot of killers," he replied. "You think our country's so innocent?"

    Biden said that despite his thoughts about the Russian leader "there are places where it's in our mutual interest to work together."

    "That's why I renewed the START agreement with him," he said of the nuclear treaty. "That occurred while he's doing this, but that's overwhelmingly in the interest of humanity, that we diminish the prospect of a nuclear exchange."



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    Post  Kiko Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:39 am

    Biden’s tough-guy flexing at ‘soulless killer’ Putin would be funny if the consequences weren’t so serious, by Scott Ritter for RT News.

    Joe Biden’s effort to label Vladimir Putin as a “soulless killer” is the latest in a series of fact-free allegations that define US-Russian relations today. The real aim is to make Biden look like the strong leader he isn’t.

    Former President Donald Trump was fond of bragging about how tough he was when it came to Russia. “There’s never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been,” Trump crowed in 2018. He wasn’t wrong—according to Daniel Vajdich, a senior analyst with the Atlantic Council, the Trump administration was “much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era.” Despite the tough reality of his Russian policy, however, Trump was not opposed to bettering relations, publicly proclaiming that “it would be great if we could get along with Russia.”

    As for his relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump has noted that “I like Putin, he likes me.” Indeed, Marina Gross, the State Department interpreter who worked on many of the calls between Trump and Putin, has reportedly said that “listening to their conversations often felt like eavesdropping on two friends chatting in a bar.” Indeed, Trump famously bristled at Fox’s Bill O’Reilly, who said of the Russian president, “Putin’s a killer.”  Trump responded, “There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent?”

    President Biden has made it clear that he plans to deal with Russia in a far more aggressive manner than his predecessor. Moreover, there would be no more talk about “friendship” or “getting along.” In a recent interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, Biden was given a bite from the same apple O’Reilly had offered Trump. “So, you know Vladimir Putin,” Stephanopoulos asked. “You think he’s a killer?” Without a moment’s hesitation, Biden responded, “Mmm-hmm, I do.”

    Tall tales to stand out

    To anyone who has followed the career of Joe Biden, this reply does not signify anything other than crass political opportunism, a chance to swing away at a softball question deliberately tossed out to allow the president to create the perception of separation between himself and the policies and postures of his predecessor. Biden’s negative opinion of Russia under Putin is well established, perhaps best articulated by Dmitri Trenin, the director of the Carnegie Endowment’s Moscow Center, as “a country in enormous decline, an oil-based economy and a second-rate military power, unable to compete with the West and saddled with depressive demographics and a kleptocratic regime run by KGB thugs.”

    Any student of Russia would understand that Biden’s perception misses the mark – widely. But any attempt to try to bridge the gulf between reality and Biden’s perception of things is an exercise in futility. Biden has never been about the facts, but rather about how he can twist the facts in a manner that sustains his greatest passion: self-promotion. This became apparent during the ABC interview, when Biden repeated his 2014 claim, made to the New Yorker, regarding a meeting he had with Putin at the Kremlin during a March 2011 visit. According to Biden, he was alone with Putin in his office, where he brought up the topic of Putin’s lack of a human soul. “I said, ‘I looked in your eyes and I don’t think you have a soul,’” Biden told Stephanopoulos, “and he [Putin] looked back and said, ‘We understand each other.’” (The New Yorker story differed only in that Biden claimed Putin smiled when responding.)

    Biden’s storytelling served a purpose. “The most important thing when dealing with foreign leaders,” he told Stephanopoulos, “is just to know the other guy.” Here, Biden was trying to distinguish himself from another American president, George W. Bush, who famously said of his initial meeting with Putin, back in June 2001, that “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy,” adding “I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

    There is another difference between the statement made by Bush, and that offered up by Biden, regarding their respective meetings with Vladimir Putin. Bush’s was part of the public record, Biden’s was not. Indeed, the likelihood of the Biden-Putin meeting occurring as described by Joe Biden is slim to none. When Biden made his trip to the Kremlin in 2011, he was fronting for the Obama administration’s “reset” with Russia. There was no opportunity, or need, for Biden’s faux machismo. The two men did meet, but as part of delegations discussing the possibility for improving relations. Not only would Biden’s insulting verbal flexing have been wildly inappropriate and inconsistent with the larger policy objectives of his visit, but it ran counter to his own feelings, expressed at the time, about Russia. “Russia has the best engineers in the world,” Biden said in a press conference after his meeting with Putin (who was serving as Russia’s prime minister, not president, at the time.) “Russia has intellectual capital. Russia is a great nation.” These are not words one utters after telling a Russian leader in private that he has “no soul.”

    Evidence need not apply

    Biden’s struggle with the truth is well known, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he possibly made up a meeting with Putin. Biden has been caught plagiarizing a speech delivered by former British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock, lied about his academic record and accomplishments, and manufactured from whole cloth a narrative that has him participating in the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Biden’s lies all have one goal in common: to make him out to be that which he is not. So, too, his apparent lie about calling Putin soulless. Biden is desperate to be a ‘tough guy’. But for that reputation to stick vis-à-vis Putin, there had to be a ‘showdown’ moment, where the good guy faced off against the bad guy and called him out. Since no such event exists, Biden had to make one up. And, like most of his lies, Biden repeats them long enough and often enough that they take on a life of their own, embraced as fact by unquestioning journalists.

    The present need for the 78-year-old American president to be flexing on the issue of Russia is driven by the conclusions of a report released by the director of national intelligence (DNI), which assesses that Russia interfered in the 2020 US presidential election. “Russian President Putin authorized,” the report noted, “and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party, supporting former President Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the US.” The report homed in on the role played by Ukrainian “proxies,” in particular Andrii Derkach, accused by the US of being a Russian agent. According to the DNI report, Russian intelligence services used Derkach and others to help spread an anti-Biden narrative while giving Moscow “plausible deniability.”

    For its part, the Russian government has denied the allegations, describing them as “another set of groundless accusations against our country of interfering in American internal political processes,” and noting that the report was based “solely [on] the confidence of the intelligence services of their self-righteousness,” and that “no facts or specific evidence of such claims were provided.” The allegations outlined in the report cover no new ground, and represent the ideological extension of similar claims dating back to the 2016 US presidential election, when the US intelligence community published an assessment on the role played by RT in influencing American public opinion that predated the events in question.

    Worst superhero ever

    It does not matter that the DNI assessment serves as a slap in the face to every free-thinking American, carrying the connotation that the average citizen is easily swayed by the opinions of outsiders. The notion that the Russian government, acting directly or via proxy, could be more skilled in manipulating US voter opinions than the armies of seasoned political operatives who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in pursuit of a similar outcome is not only laughable, but deeply insulting. Again, what is important here are not the facts attached to this claim, but rather the perception-based narrative being painted by President Biden. On January 26 of this year, Biden made his initial phone call to Vladimir Putin. According to a White House statement released afterwards, “President Biden made clear that the United States will act firmly in defense of its national interests in response to actions by Russia that harm us or our allies,” noting that among the specific issues raised by Biden was the issue of 2020 election interference by Russia.

    In his interview with Stephanopoulos, Biden raised the findings of the DNI report, and his conversation with Putin. “He will pay a price. We had a long talk, he and I. I know him relatively well and the conversation started off [like this]: I said, ‘I know you and you know me. If I establish this occurred, then be prepared.’”

    Biden does not know Putin well at all. If he did, he would know that the last thing that would give the Russian leader pause were the fanciful tough-guy posturing of a geriatric president. There is little doubt that the Biden administration will impose additional sanctions against Russia in the days and weeks to come, citing the report as justification. There is also little doubt that these sanctions will have no impact whatsoever on the policies and practices of the Russian government. But that is not the point. Biden is not flexing for the benefit of Putin. His audience is the American people, and part and parcel of a coordinated campaign designed to drive home his mantra that “America is back.”

    The fact that Biden’s posturing is all fluff and no substance is beside the point. His words and visage will be disseminated across the width and breadth of the American media establishment, helping cement as fact yet another chapter in the ongoing work of fiction that defines the US’ newest superhero, Joe Biden. This would be comical if the potential consequences of Biden’s actions were not so serious. In a world where Russian and American nuclear weapons are but one push of a button away from ending life as we know it, perhaps playing the tough guy is not the best look.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/518397-biden-putin-tough-guy-flexing/

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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:38 am

    https://twitter.com/AK4WA/status/1372044947235348480

    The video of Bidet talking to reporters is a clear fake. Look at his hands which overlap the microphones which must, by definition,
    be closer to the camera than they are.

    This is some grade A fake cheese.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:05 am

    kvs wrote:https://twitter.com/AK4WA/status/1372044947235348480

    The video of Bidet talking to reporters is a clear fake.   Look at his hands which overlap the microphones which must, by definition,
    be closer to the camera than they are.

    This is some grade A fake cheese.


    And the deep state shills are out to convince people that he simply reached past the microphones Laughing

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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:27 am

    I remember having an exchange many years ago with some NASA apologist who claimed that step-function transitions in focus (i.e. you
    could see the "Moon" dust at high res until there is an obvious wall in the background indicating a studio fake instead of going out to infinity
    as in reality) were due to nonlinear optics. Total fcuking inanity designed for products of the US educational system. No lens could produce
    a flat surface limiting the field of view, even if there was a sharp change in focus due to nonlinearity, it would be hemispherical with the radii
    converging to the camera. You would have to deliberately create spliced lenses to mimic the effect of a wall. Why the fcuk would Moon
    cameras be rigged this way?

    Here we have some moron claiming that Bidet's hand can totally overlap the damper-covered microphone because of cell phone camera
    distortion. Unless the cell phone camera is doing pattern recognition type temporally asynchronous video stitching no such effect is
    possible. Cell phone camera distortion is known to everyone, it never produces causally meaningless effects since it is limited by
    physics. You can't morph objects obscured by other objects into the foreground in a 2D image since the information is not there in
    the image. Cell phone cameras are not million dollar image recognition devices.

    "Reaching beyond the press microphone" has to be the most moronic thing I have heard in a long while. Did the camera distortion
    just happen to shrink the size the Bidet's hand and increase the size of the microphone even though supposedly Bidet's hand was
    closer to the camera?

    Given the foaming at the mouth support for the Democrap Party and Bidet by the US fake stream media, such staged interviews
    are never going to be questioned. This fake video is cheese but I am afraid that it is good enough to fool the average imbecile
    mass media consumer. In the era of deep-fake video editing we are going to have total fabrications on TV and on the web being
    passed of as the truth.





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