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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:41 am

    They're trying to to have a captive market on arms sales...

    Trump's strategy is basicaly to use gangster methods internationally to gain lop sided economic benefits for the US...it worked for him personally in NY, back when he was making his money so he's doing the same thing on a global scale
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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:20 pm

    MOSCOW, June 4. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law on countermeasures against unfriendly actions of the United States and other foreign countries. The document passed by the State Duma on May 22 and approved by the Federation Council on May 30 was posted on the official Internet portal of legal information.

    More:
    http://tass.com/politics/1007868
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 pm

    Coming out of the door after their 2 hour session with only translators with them. I'd say they looked as if they had had an exhaustive session.


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    Post  andalusia Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:54 pm

    I don't think this has been posted yet but John McCain a longtime enemy of Russia died on Saturday at age 81. Russia did not shed any tears.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/burning-hell-russian-press-sheds-few-tears-mccain-114218105.html
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:52 pm

    You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...
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    Post  andalusia Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:53 am

    GarryB wrote:You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...

    Americans don't care Garry. He was a good American that fought for our freedom in Vietnam. Americans strongly revere the military religiously.
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    Post  andalusia Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:03 am

    GarryB wrote:You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...

    Hey Garry, these are two good articles that you should read if you didn't know about him especially the second one where he did all he could to suppress the fact that the US left POWs in Vietnam.

    https://ghionjournal.com/no-hero-mccain/

    https://www.adamtownsend.me/john-mccain-mythology/
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:33 am

    Americans don't care Garry. He was a good American that fought for our freedom in Vietnam. Americans strongly revere the military religiously.

    He was a good American... do Americans even acknowledge there is any other kind?

    Of course if he had not been so brave and America had instead lost the war in Vietnam... America would now have a commander in chief controlled by the Kremlin... Oh Oh!!

    What a Face What a Face What a Face

    The Vietnam war was about the end of colonialism... the French occupied and exploited Indo China as they called it right up until WWII, when they ran away and left the country to be occupied by Japan. Then when WWII ended they went back in and took control over everything again.

    Some Vietnamese who didn't want to be the victims of colonial oppression asked the US for help in fighting off the French and the US rejected them... does it sound familiar to an American... someone wanting to fight the British in their own country and getting some help from the French... but the US said no, and so they asked the Soviets for help getting rid of colonial oppression and the US went in there to replace the French as colonial overlords and ended up leaving... like the French.

    Instead of saving the world from communism, America was actually promoting colonial oppression... if they had lived up to their values and helped the Vietnamese I rather doubt the Soviets would have helped the French and Vietnam could have become a free democracy dominated by US companies hoovering up any valuable resources they might have had instead of spending billions murdering the local population and losing quite a few young men in the process.

    But then the cold war started with north korea wanting to reunify the country... the Chinese and Soviets really only got involved when the UN got involved... shame the UN wasn't around to prevent the unification of Northern and Southern states during the US civil war.

    Hey Garry, these are two good articles that you should read if you didn't know about him especially the second one where he did all he could to suppress the fact that the US left POWs in Vietnam.

    Thanks, but I really don't like the guy and am not interested in learning about his history...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:31 am

    Pompeo accused Rosneft of buying oil from Venezuela bypassing US sanctions

    https://ria.ru/20190312/1551708569.html

    "The Russian state-owned company Rosneft continues to buy crude oil from PDVSA ... at odds with the sanctions of the United States. Rosneft chief executive officer Igor Sechin continues to stretch the lifeline to the regime (the legal authorities of Venezuela - Ed.)," Pompeo told journalists on Tuesday .


    respekt respekt respekt  The worst would be if he really believes in this delusional  crap

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:49 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Pompeo accused Rosneft of buying oil from Venezuela bypassing US sanctions

    https://ria.ru/20190312/1551708569.html

    "The Russian state-owned company Rosneft continues to buy crude oil from PDVSA ... at odds with the sanctions of the United States. Rosneft chief executive officer Igor Sechin continues to stretch the lifeline to the regime (the legal authorities of Venezuela - Ed.)," Pompeo told journalists on Tuesday .


    respekt respekt respekt  The worst would be if he really believes in this delusional  crap



    As if some "laws" passed by the US apply outside its borders. Only UN sanctioned sanctions have any international legal weight.
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:20 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/trump-needs-fire-chairman-joint-chiefs-he-starts-war/ri26883

    Dunford is an example of the lunatics running the US insane asylum. What a retarded blowhard. As if his
    pompous posturing will "defeat" Russia. The prime non-normal country on this planet is the USA. It
    defines itself as being totally different from the rest of humanity (i.e. exceptional) and grants itself
    the right to meddle in all ways including military aggression in every country on the planet.

    The whole Ukraine spiel is pure lies. Crimea was annexed by Ukraine in 1991. The Ukrainian government
    recognized the autonomy referendum conducted in early 1991. This referendum re-established the legal
    status of Crimea as not part of Ukraine. Khruschev's transfer of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 was never legal
    anyway. The ethnic Russian majority in Crimea voted in 2014 to affirm rights which Ukraine suppressed
    after the breakup of the USSR.

    Russian support for the Donbass "rebels" is fully justified given the gross human rights abuse by the Kiev
    coup regime paramilitaries. Notice how subverting the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014
    is "normal" according to NATO pinheads, but Russia supporting the ethnic Russian majorities in the Donbass
    and Crimea is some epic violation of morality and international law. F*CK OFF, BLOODY HYPOCRITES.

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    Post  MiamiMachineShop Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/07/us-ambassador-ukraine-is-recalled-after-becoming-political-target/?utm_term=.94c2c7ed87a3

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/joe-biden-ukraine-controversy.html

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-does-the-early-dismissal-of-the-us-ambassador-to-ukraine-mean/

    I said we wanted Russia to have Ukraine and to have better USA-Russia relations, I meant it. We are restoring relations with Russia, we will give the heads of Poroshenko and nazis to Russia, we will leave Ukraine, and we will have the democrats all arrested, in exchange for Russian cooperation with China and others. Russia will make an overture to us for this, They want nothing more than to punish Ukraine and return it to its fold, not be a pawn of China in some SCO silk road project. Putin also desires this, you think he wanted to be junior partner with China? He said Vladivostok to Lisbon, not Beijing-Lisbon. Putin thought he could deal with Europeans but the spineless slaves only obeyed our democrats and spited Russia.

    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 am


    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    Why would Russia want to help the US remain a hyper power, they are the enemy... both sides of US politics have identified Russia as the bad guy... you can't say anything bad about blacks or gays or jews, but you can say pretty much anything nasty you like about Russians and nobody gives a damn.

    The US is on a decline, why would Russia try to help them in their mad crusade against China?

    More specifically, China and Russia are neighbours... why would Russia want to change its relationship with China for the worse just to please the US... China and Russia have something like 100 billion dollars in trade and it is growing... the US is nothing compared with this and the EU used to be this but has reduced trade not increased it.

    Russia has invested a lot of money and time on the silk road initiatives, which are basically trade routes from Asia to the EU.

    Russia has everything to gain to be part of that, and nothing at all from being another stupid American stooge that does things for the US economy but not their own like Poland or now the Ukraine.

    The Northern Sea Route is going to be good for business for Russia... a lot of northern Russian ports will get a lot of trade and commercial activity because of this.

    Bad relations with China wont help Russia or China... it will only help the US... so why would the Russians be interested in that?
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    Post  jhelb Thu May 09, 2019 10:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    But now the US State Department is saying that China is the first major threat the US is facing that is not Caucasian.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/problematic-thinking-on-china-from-the-state-departments-head-of-policy-planning/

    So clearly the US is more focused on the rise of these non Caucasian powers - China, India, Iran etc.
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    Post  kvs Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russian-extradited-us-buying-unclassified-f-16-manual/ri27072

    The USA is an Orwellian toilet.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 22, 2019 5:11 am

    Says in the title, if the manual is unclassified then what is the problem?

    Another Russian about to learn to love the US.... making the world hate it one person at a time... it has a lot of propaganda to undo... but it is working on it.
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    Post  PhSt Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:51 pm

    United Engine Corporation executive arrested in Italy at US request. Now I guess every Russian corporate/business owners can be kidnapped abroad under bogus charges and get shipped to the US? May I suggest that Russia play these same dirty tactics too?


    VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin complained on Thursday about Italy’s arrest of a Russian state executive on suspicion of industrial espionage at Washington’s request, saying the move would harm ties with the United States.

    Alexander Korshunov, director for business development at Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC), was detained at an airport in Naples on Aug. 30 after Washington issued a warrant for his arrest.

    UEC produces engines for civil and military aircraft as well as power turbines. Russian state conglomerate Rostec, which owns the engine maker, said Korshunov was innocent of any wrongdoing as did UEC, Russian news agencies reported.

    Italy’s foreign ministry said it had no immediate comment to make on the case.

    Speaking at an economic forum in the Russian Far East, Putin said the arrest looked like it was motivated by what he called unfair competition.

    “This is a really bad practice,” Putin said. “In this case we’re dealing with attempts at dishonest competition.”

    Putin said UEC had developed a new Russian engine and concluded a contract with an Italian consulting firm. “It’s a normal global practice. It’s open commercial work with European partners,” said Putin.

    Russia has repeatedly criticized the United States for requesting that Russian citizens be detained in third countries.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:10 pm

    American Pigs will not stop harassing Russia. I Demand that Russia kidnap American top business heads too in retaliation


    US DoJ Charges Russian National Alexander Korshunov With Conspiring to Steal Trade Secrets

    The US Department of Justice announced Thursday that Alexander Yuryevich Korshunov, director for business development at Russia's United Engine Corporation, has been charged with conspiring to steal trade secrets. The charge carries a potential prison sentence of 10 years.

    Korshunov, 57, was arrested in Naples, Italy on August 30 alongisde 59-year-old Maurizio Paolo Bianchi, 59, on suspicion of industrial espionage. The court filing unsealed Thursday in the US District Court for the Southern District of Ohio charges that the two "conspired and attempted ... to steal and convey the confidential and proprietary information constituting trade secrets of the Ohio-based Company A."

    "It is alleged that between 2013 and 2018, Bianchi – on behalf of Korshunov – hired current or former employees of GE Aviation’s Italian subsidiary to do consulting work related to jet engine accessory gearboxes for Bianchi and Korshunov," the DOJ press release announcing the charges states. "The employees’ statements of work typically stated that the 'the holders of patent and intellectual property obtained as a result of the work are…the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.'”

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:44 am

    Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.

    Unfortunately we are an American and french/german colony, with the various masters something playing with different italian puppets (politician and fake entrepreneurs) that always act against Italian interests.
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    Post  PhSt Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.

    But this move will result to Russia losing business partners in the region. just recently both Russia and Italy are in good terms, what is horrifying is how fast the US managed to cripple pro-Russian voices in the Italian government and replace them with pro NATO/ pro EU/ pro US ones. Same thing happened in Austria. If Russia did the same, US would bitch about Russian meddling/ expansion in Europe, but if the US did it there is hardly any noise. Russia should task its TV networks to mirror the same dirty tactics used by American propaganda tv channels and run damaging investigative documentaries of Italian politicians conniving with American agents to advance imperial American interests at the expense of Italy etc. Recently, Salvini has been booted out of the government, he is a well known Russia friendly politician, and for months US media has launched propaganda materials to assassinate his political reputation. His recent political misfortune can only be the result of a concerted effort by the US to bring down Russia friendly politicians across the world. And Russia is NOT doing enough to counter these moves by the US. Russia needs to work even harder to collapse the American economy, as this is the main enabler of unrestricted American interference across the world.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:17 am

    Unfortunately we are an American and french/german colony, with the various masters something playing with different italian puppets (politician and fake entrepreneurs) that always act against Italian interests.

    That is very unfortunate for you guys... perhaps when you man up and can control your own country then Russia can have honest and open business ties with you... until then why trade there and risk being kidnapped?

    But this move will result to Russia losing business partners in the region.

    In the short term it might, but Italy doesn't do business with Russia for charity, they do it to make money, so this will cost them some money.

    The question is, will the US compensate them for money lost and if they don't will Italy put up with losing business and contracts with Russia and presumably China and any other country the US does not like at the time, or will they man up and tell the US to fuck off and mind their own business.

    just recently both Russia and Italy are in good terms, what is horrifying is how fast the US managed to cripple pro-Russian voices in the Italian government and replace them with pro NATO/ pro EU/ pro US ones.

    So what you are actually saying is that Russia and Italy used to be on good terms and Italy is now basically hostile to Russia... that is OK... there are lots of other countries around the world that are keen to trade with Russia who want to do honest business and earn money.

    Same thing happened in Austria. If Russia did the same, US would bitch about Russian meddling/ expansion in Europe, but if the US did it there is hardly any noise.

    Why are you blaming the US? Europe allows itself to be used by the Americans... Europe is to blame for this cowardice.

    Either way it is not Russias problem, they are not the world police, they don't have to right wrongs and fix injustices... they will find other partners to do business with, they have plenty of options.

    Russia should task its TV networks to mirror the same dirty tactics used by American propaganda tv channels and run damaging investigative documentaries of Italian politicians conniving with American agents to advance imperial American interests at the expense of Italy etc.

    Russia will remain a good country to trade with as long as it doesn't start to replicate the bullshit the US and the British and the French and the west in general tends to pull on the countries it trades with.

    The west constitutes only a tiny portion of the worlds population and only a small part of the countries in the world... Russia can do better than to waste their time with those conniving losers.

    Recently, Salvini has been booted out of the government, he is a well known Russia friendly politician, and for months US media has launched propaganda materials to assassinate his political reputation. His recent political misfortune can only be the result of a concerted effort by the US to bring down Russia friendly politicians across the world.

    Indeed, in the short term they can appear to win, but look at Syria and Iraq and even Yemen... in the short term it looked like the US had destroyed some long term enemies and helped its allies take control of situations, but the results are that Assad is still in power and stronger than ever before... never before has Syria had an air defence network able to stop Israeli aircraft flying all over its airspace at will, and Iran is in there now right on Israeli borders. Saddam is gone but the majority are shia muslims like Iran... another gain for Iran and democracy in the region (ironic that isn't it?), and Yemen is probably costing Saudi Arabia a small fortune... they can afford it.... but with current oil prices... actually no they can't afford it... and Iran is helping out there too... the Americans have done more in the Middle East in the last decade or so to massively improve the position of Russia and Iran than they have done to help themselves... it has cost them billions of dollars too, with pretty much nothing to show for it.

    And Russia is NOT doing enough to counter these moves by the US. Russia needs to work even harder to collapse the American economy, as this is the main enabler of unrestricted American interference across the world.

    The problem there is that a US collapse could result in WWIII and is not really in anyones interests.

    It would be better for the US to pull its head in and realise it is no longer top dog, and shares the table with other countries that it needs to start treating with respect or it might end up like North Korea or Cuba itself...

    I am not like America... I don't like them but I really don't want to see them fail and collapse... I don't want to see any country collapse.

    I want to see a lot of countries progress and succeed, including Russia and China and Brazil and Venezuela and Vietnam and Korea, but that does not require any other country to fail for them to succeed.

    We all win if everyone wins. The mindset for so long has been not only do I need to win, but I need to make everyone else fail to make my win look more spectacular... what sort of ass hole thinks that?
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    Post  PhSt Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:20 am


    The problem there is that a US collapse could result in WWIII and is not really in anyones interests.

    I agree with most of your assessment except this one. When the USSR collapsed, was there any war that followed? If today Russia or China collapse, will WWIII start? most definitely not. But suddenly when its the US that goes down the entire world burns? I think this is more to do with American fear mongering. I say make it happen then we will see what comes next. As long as the US continues to dominate world politics through its economy, it will not stop in its attempts to destroy Russia and China whenever there is an opportunity.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:35 pm

    I agree with most of your assessment except this one. When the USSR collapsed, was there any war that followed?

    The USSR wasn't acting like a petulant child like the US does, and doesn't believe it is a powerful force for good in the universe so the universe owes it if something does go wrong.

    If today Russia or China collapse, will WWIII start? most definitely not.

    You seem to have worked this all out already... if Zhirinovsky or some extreme nationalist like him but 30 years younger took over in Russia and started acting way worse than the west accuses Putin of doing now... who actively interferes in western elections like the US actually already does, and murders people openly like Saudi Arabia does, conflict would certainly ramp up and there would be many in the west demanding that there is no room on this planet for two US of As.

    What if a similar character takes over in China and turns it into a war economy to build ships and tanks and most importantly nuclear ballistic missiles... tens of thousands of them and then decides to test the waters by invading Taiwan?

    Could easily lead to WWIII.

    But suddenly when its the US that goes down the entire world burns?

    No. In fact I think the world really can't continue with the US trying to be the centre of attention and the worlds policeman and bringer of democracy.

    What I think is that if it has its crown taken away and its free lunch no longer exists and it has to again work for its income and actually do something about paying its foreign debt and not with those worthless dollars they print like confette, that a serious tantrum and nuclear weapons use could be a possibility.

    I think this is more to do with American fear mongering. I say make it happen then we will see what comes next.

    Oh yes... the wonderful... if you don't love it then leave, or even better... if you think this is bad imagine if Russia or China or North Korea were in charge... except that they don't want to be in charge like you so clearly do you pricks.

    As long as the US continues to dominate world politics through its economy, it will not stop in its attempts to destroy Russia and China whenever there is an opportunity.

    But that is the point... their economy is broken... they broke it years ago... and it needs serious changes that they really don't want to make to get it working again... politicians can talk the talk but when they get into power they owe their positions to the 1% who paid their bills and they certainly don't want to change the system that they became obscenely wealthy from... votes mean nothing when a company can contribute half a million dollars to a campaign fund on both parties sides and then control the eventual president. The system is broken, votes don't matter.

    Monsanto can make chemicals that kill birds and bees and children and as long as they bribe the elected officials who decide what can or cannot be used, with direct payments or with offers of cushy jobs at the company with enormous salaries, then those people don't have a chance... that is not democracy.

    And it is not like we didn't get warned... in the 1980s Bo and Luke Duke in Dukes of Hazzard, and those lovable rogues from the A Team were always saving pretty women in distress from evil companies wanting to steal their land or poison it or some such... but then companies became good and MacGyver fought evil foreign and domestic government entities to save America... Michael Knight worked for a private company too... the media turned away from saving us from evil corporations to foreign companies and local and foreign governments...


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